McCain chooses Alaska govenor Sarah Palin as running mate

This woman troubles me. Anti abortion is one thing (if you've ever seen a late term abortion, it will make you think long and hard about it for sure), but anti-abortion even if the impregnation is a result of rape or incest is just plain psychotic.......

The world's over populated enough without bringing into the world children who might suffer well health problems, and will probably be unloved.
 
Kadayi said:
This woman troubles me. Anti abortion is one thing (if you've ever seen a late term abortion, it will make you think long and hard about it for sure), but anti-abortion even if the impregnation is a result of rape or incest is just plain psychotic.......

The world's over populated enough without bringing into the world children who might suffer well health problems, and will probably be unloved.
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I really don't see the difference from a child born from rape or incest compared to a normal pregnancy. Isn't the pro-life reasoning, that a fetus has natural rights. So it would still be considered murder.

I'm pro-choice btw.

EDIT: Heh, I said it first PvtRyan.
 
I never got why some who are against abortion, are OK with it when the pregnancy is the result of rape/incest. Wasn't it murder? And how come it's suddenly OK to "murder" the "child" when it has no fault in how it was conceived?
 
Did anybody watch her speech at the Republican National Convention?

I wasn't impressed at all. Then again, I don't like her and think she's a horrible pick for the republican party, but I wasn't impressed at all.

It was a very weak speech.
 
PvtRyan said:
I never got why some who are against abortion, are OK with it when the pregnancy is the result of rape/incest. Wasn't it murder? And how come it's suddenly OK to "murder" the "child" when it has no fault in how it was conceived?
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It is inconsistent, and it's a fault I pick with most pro-choicers.

That said, it's probably because many of them, despite the ideological position they claim to hold, have enough human compassion to allow exception under such horrid circumstances. Many people who are pro-choice think of it as a matter of responsibility more than anything. "Got knocked up without a condom! Pull those bootstraps and live with it!". If it's something forced onto the woman, it's not their fault.
 
Absinthe said:
Many people who are pro-choice think of it as a matter of responsibility more than anything. "Got knocked up without a condom! Pull those bootstraps and live with it!"..
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Pro-choice allows for abortion, sure you don't mean pro-life?
 
You have a choice. As long as your choice is life.


EDIT: And again on Palin's speech... my ****ing god. Republicans are raving about this speech and saying she is reminiscent of Reagan. Wow... her speech was weak and as I said before, uninspired. I think the republicans are lying to themselves and simply attempting to show an unwavering, extreme support for her to counter the feeling that others and I'm sure they do have that she was a bad pick.
 
Did the speeches at the DNC consistently attack the right? Her speech was very divisive.

I didn't like her speech either, It was very dishonest. Like when she said Obama would raise taxes, but would actually lower taxes for 95% of America more than McCain.
 
Raziaar said:
You have a choice. As long as your choice is life.


EDIT: And again on Palin's speech... my ****ing god. Republicans are raving about this speech and saying she is reminiscent of Reagan. Wow... her speech was weak and as I said before, uninspired. I think the republicans are lying to themselves and simply attempting to show an unwavering, extreme support for her to counter the feeling that others and I'm sure they do have that she was a bad pick.
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Agreed. She seems to spend most of it talking about her family. Great way to prove you're not a PR-stunt.
 
I watched her speech today and the whole Republican National Convention. I was disgusted with the whole thing. It was seriously nauseating and upsetting. The republicans are just basking in their perceived small-town-holier-than-thouness and everybody is just eating this shit up like it's something incredible that nobody has ever heard of. It's not, it's just the same shit all over again with two new faces. I think I even heard Palin say "Conservatism is back!" and I thought seriously? It's been going strong for the last 8 years and you're saying it's back like this is some kind of revolution you've just started? This is more of the same. This isn't progression. Conservatism is the polar opposite of progression. They're talking about ideals from the dark ages as if they're fresh and exciting. It's like a big republican circle-jerk.

Jon Stewart made an excellent point on his show tonight while talking to Newt Gingrich. He mentioned how Palin said that it was her daughter's "decision" to have her baby and that everybody should respect that. Palin is so pro-life that she wants to make it illegal for women to have an abortion even in the case of rape. Hypocrisy? Oh, you bet it is. We need to respect your daughter's decision and vote for you so that you can make it illegal for the rest of us to make any decision at all?

But nobody seems to notice these things. Not on the republican side at least. For some reason, republicans are completely infallible within their own party and on Fox News. Such hypocrisy would be quickly pointed out and lambasted if the tables were turned. But, no. Republicans can do no wrong.

This stuff just frustrates the hell out of me. Don't get me wrong, it's not just the republicans. Both sides have been frustrating, but after just having watched the RNC, this is what's freshest in my mind and I just need to let off some steam.
 
Her speech was terrible, she didn't actually say much of anything of substance at all. I'd be seriously worried if McCain died in office and this bitch became president.

She reminds me of the fundamentalist chick Sister Marion in Alpha Centauri :D
 
Can those of you who live in the States confirm whether Palin's being-in-bed with a seperatist party is getting anywhere near as much press as Obama's supposed dalliance with black radicalism?

Moto-x_Pat said:
I think I even heard Palin say "Conservatism is back!" and I thought seriously? It's been going strong for the last 8 years and you're saying it's back like this is some kind of revolution you've just started?
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Since the genuine resurgence of conservatism (the Reagan/Thatcher years), the right has always profited by constantly acting as if it were the side who were disadvantaged, fighting as the underdog. See Bill O' Reily's "War on Christmas", british rants about "political correctness", etc. It is truly absurd.

The RNC sounds like it was blood-stoppingly inane :p
 
Sam Harris said:
She's not qualified to be president, and in picking her, McCain shows that he has little respect for the presidency.

So let us ask the question that should be on the mind of every thinking person in the world at this moment: If John McCain becomes the 44th president of the United States, what are the odds that a blood clot or falling object will make Sarah Palin the 45th?

The actuarial tables on the Social Security Administration website suggest that there is a better than 10% chance that McCain will die during his first term in office. Needless to say, the Reaper's scything only grows more insistent thereafter. Should President McCain survive his first term and get elected to a second, there is a 27% chance that Palin will become the first female U.S. president by 2015. If we take into account McCain's medical history and the pressures of the presidency, the odds probably increase considerably that this bright-eyed Alaskan will become the most powerful woman in history.

As many people have noted, placing Palin on the ticket has made these final months of the already overlong 2008 campaign much more interesting. Is Palin remotely qualified to be president of the United States? No. But that's precisely what is so interesting. McCain not only has thrown all sensible concerns about good governance aside merely to pander to a sliver of female and masses of conservative Christian voters, he has turned this period of American history into an episode of high-stakes reality television: Don't look now, but our cousin Sarah just became leader of the free world! Tune in next week and watch her get sassy with Pakistan!

Americans have an unhealthy desire to see average people promoted to positions of great authority. No one wants an average neurosurgeon or even an average carpenter, but when it comes time to vest a man or woman with more power and responsibility than any person has held in human history, Americans say they want a regular guy, someone just like themselves. President Bush kept his edge on the "Who would you like to have a beer with?" poll question in 2004, and won reelection.

This is one of the many points at which narcissism becomes indistinguishable from masochism. Let me put it plainly: If you want someone just like you to be president of the United States, or even vice president, you deserve whatever dysfunctional society you get. You deserve to be poor, to see the environment despoiled, to watch your children receive a fourth-rate education and to suffer as this country wages -- and loses -- both necessary and unnecessary wars.

McCain has so little respect for the presidency of the United States that he is willing to put the girl next door (soon, too, to be a grandma) into office beside him. He has so little respect for the average American voter that he thinks this reckless and cynical ploy will work.

And it might. Palin's nomination has clearly excited Christian conservatives, and it may entice a few million gender-obsessed fans of Hillary Clinton to vote entirely on the basis of chromosomes. Throw in a few million more average Americans who will just love how the nice lady smiles, and 2009 could be a very interesting year.

Tune in next week and watch cousin Sarah fuss with our nuclear arsenal ... .

8/03/08 - UPDATE FROM SAM

I've received more than the usual amount of criticism for my recent opinion piece on Sarah Palin, most of it alleging sexism and/or an unseemly infatuation with Barack Obama. For those who care, I'd like to briefly respond:

My alleged sexism: It is true that I used some hackneyed, gender-slanted language in the piece ("get sassy," "girl-next-door," etc.). This was deliberate. Clearly, I played this game at my peril. I can say that if Sarah Palin were a man of similar qualifications, I would have used equally slanted language to describe him. I might have called Mr. Palin a "frat-boy" or a "lumberjack." I would have invoked some silly macho phrasing like,"Watch Cousin Jim flip Putin the bird." My concern is not that Mrs. Palin is a woman. My concern is that she is a totally unqualified and poorly educated woman who was added to the Republican ticket as a token woman (and Creationist wacko). For what it's worth, the article was vetted by the two women closest to me (wife and mother) and by two female editors at the LA Times. If anything, the editing at the Times made the piece even more "sexist."

My alleged Obamamania: Many McCain supporters have written to say that (1) Obama is also unqualified (or even less qualified than Palin) and (2) I have shown myself to be a hypocrite by not objecting to Obama's religiosity. Briefly: My criticism of Palin should not be construed as uncritical acceptance of Obama. Needless to say, I find Obama's religious pandering repulsive. The suspicion that he is pandering, out of obvious necessity, and not quite as religious as he makes out, is somewhat comforting, however. But even if Obama were precisely as religious as he appears, he is not a Creationist, Rapture-Ready blockhead. Palin, by all appearances, seems to be one. This is a difference worth noting. Whatever you may think of his politics, Obama is very intelligent and reasonably well educated. Palin thinks the universe is 6000 years old. Unfortunately, I wrote my article before some of the most disturbing signs of her religious extremism came to light.

So, let me simply declare that I would be overjoyed to have a qualified woman in the White House. I would, likewise, be overjoyed to have a qualified African American in the White House. In fact, I would be overjoyed to have a qualified WASP man in the White House. I will be guardedly optimistic to have a very smart (and somewhat qualified) Barack Obama in the White House. And I would be frankly terrified to have a religious bumpkin like Sarah Palin in the White House. I think you should share this last conviction. Hence my latest opinion piece.

Best,
Sam
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That's what Sam Harris thinks.
 
Sulkdodds said:
Can those of you who live in the States confirm whether Palin's being-in-bed with a seperatist party is getting anywhere near as much press as Obama's supposed dalliance with black radicalism?
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Absolutely none. And I'm watching the news all the time. I've only heard of this obscurely in one tiny article.
 
Sulkdodds said:
Can those of you who live in the States confirm whether Palin's being-in-bed with a seperatist party is getting anywhere near as much press as Obama's supposed dalliance with black radicalism?
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On Newsnight last night they said that rumour wasn't true. Apparently her husband was in it though.
 
Aye, the chairman of the AIP said that Palin had never been a member, although it's still alleged that she attended the 1994 convention.

But there is that family connection - her husband was in the Party for about a decade.
EDIT: Aye!
 
fact vs fiction at yesterday's RNC:


ST. PAUL, Minn. — Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin and her Republican supporters held back little Wednesday as they issued dismissive attacks on Barack Obama and flattering praise on her credentials to be vice president. In some cases, the reproach and the praise stretched the truth.

Some examples:

PALIN: "I have protected the taxpayers by vetoing wasteful spending ... and championed reform to end the abuses of earmark spending by Congress. I told the Congress 'thanks but no thanks' for that Bridge to Nowhere."

THE FACTS: As mayor of Wasilla, Palin hired a lobbyist and traveled to Washington annually to support earmarks for the town totaling $27 million. In her two years as governor, Alaska has requested nearly $750 million in special federal spending, by far the largest per-capita request in the nation. While Palin notes she rejected plans to build a $398 million bridge from Ketchikan to an island with 50 residents and an airport, that opposition came only after the plan was ridiculed nationally as a "bridge to nowhere."

PALIN: "There is much to like and admire about our opponent. But listening to him speak, it's easy to forget that this is a man who has authored two memoirs but not a single major law or reform _ not even in the state senate."

THE FACTS: Compared to McCain and his two decades in the Senate, Obama does have a more meager record. But he has worked with Republicans to pass legislation that expanded efforts to intercept illegal shipments of weapons of mass destruction and to help destroy conventional weapons stockpiles. The legislation became law last year. To demean that accomplishment would be to also demean the work of Republican Sen. Richard Lugar of Indiana, a respected foreign policy voice in the Senate. In Illinois, he was the leader on two big, contentious measures in Illinois: studying racial profiling by police and requiring recordings of interrogations in potential death penalty cases. He also successfully co-sponsored major ethics reform legislation.

PALIN: "The Democratic nominee for president supports plans to raise income taxes, raise payroll taxes, raise investment income taxes, raise the death tax, raise business taxes, and increase the tax burden on the American people by hundreds of billions of dollars."

THE FACTS: The Tax Policy Center, a think tank run jointly by the Brookings Institution and the Urban Institute, concluded that Obama's plan would increase after-tax income for middle-income taxpayers by about 5 percent by 2012, or nearly $2,200 annually. McCain's plan, which cuts taxes across all income levels, would raise after tax-income for middle-income taxpayers by 3 percent, the center concluded.

Obama would provide $80 billion in tax breaks, mainly for poor workers and the elderly, including tripling the Earned Income Tax Credit for minimum-wage workers and higher credits for larger families.

He also would raise income taxes, capital gains and dividend taxes on the wealthiest. He would raise payroll taxes on taxpayers with incomes above $250,000, and he would raise corporate taxes. Small businesses that make more than $250,000 a year would see taxes rise.

MCCAIN: "She's been governor of our largest state, in charge of 20 percent of America's energy supply ... She's responsible for 20 percent of the nation's energy supply. I'm entertained by the comparison and I hope we can keep making that comparison that running a political campaign is somehow comparable to being the executive of the largest state in America," he said in an interview with ABC News' Charles Gibson.

THE FACTS: McCain's phrasing exaggerates both claims. Palin is governor of a state that ranks second nationally in crude oil production, but she's no more "responsible" for that resource than President Bush was when he was governor of Texas, another oil-producing state. In fact, her primary power is the ability to tax oil, which she did in concert with the Alaska Legislature. And where Alaska is the largest state in America, McCain could as easily have called it the 47th largest state _ by population.

MCCAIN: "She's the commander of the Alaska National Guard. ... She has been in charge, and she has had national security as one of her primary responsibilities," he said on ABC.

THE FACTS: While governors are in charge of their state guard units, that authority ends whenever those units are called to actual military service. When guard units are deployed to Iraq or Afghanistan, for example, they assume those duties under "federal status," which means they report to the Defense Department, not their governors. Alaska's national guard units have a total of about 4,200 personnel, among the smallest of state guard organizations.

FORMER ARKANSAS GOV. MIKE HUCKABEE: Palin "got more votes running for mayor of Wasilla, Alaska than Joe Biden got running for president of the United States."

THE FACTS: A whopper. Palin got 616 votes in the 1996 mayor's election, and got 909 in her 1999 re-election race, for a total of 1,525. Biden dropped out of the race after the Iowa caucuses, but he still got 76,165 votes in 23 states and the District of Columbia where he was on the ballot during the 2008 presidential primaries.

FORMER MASSACHUSETTS GOV. MITT ROMNEY: "We need change, all right _ change from a liberal Washington to a conservative Washington! We have a prescription for every American who wants change in Washington _ throw out the big-government liberals, and elect John McCain and Sarah Palin."

THE FACTS: A Back-to-the-Future moment. George W. Bush, a conservative Republican, has been president for nearly eight years. And until last year, Republicans controlled Congress. Only since January 2007 have Democrats have been in charge of the House and Senate.
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080904/ap_on_el_pr/cvn_fact_check
 
Yeah I read that too... and it's obvious from Republican posters on the internet that they don't independently look up this stuff. They continue to enjoy being lied to.
 
this is what the presidential bitches wore to the RNC

Laura Bush
Oscar de la Renta suit: $2,500
Stuart Weitzman heels: $325
Pearl stud earrings: $600?$1,500
Total: Between $3,425 and $4,325

Cindy McCain
Oscar de la Renta dress: $3,000
Chanel J12 White Ceramic Watch: $4,500
Three-carat diamond earrings: $280,000
Four-strand pearl necklace: $11,000?$25,000
Shoes, designer unknown: $600
Total: Between $299,100 and $313,100
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**** Cindy's outfit cost almost as much as my house ...I guess she's a high priced trollop
 
CptStern said:
**** Cindy's outfit cost almost as much as my house ...I guess she's a high priced trollop
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She's a rich c**t then :LOL:

In all seriousness this Palin woman scares me, because people might actually be demented enough to vote for her and 'war hero' McCain.
 
Sulkdodds said:
Can those of you who live in the States confirm whether Palin's being-in-bed with a seperatist party is getting anywhere near as much press as Obama's supposed dalliance with black radicalism?

Since the genuine resurgence of conservatism (the Reagan/Thatcher years), the right has always profited by constantly acting as if it were the side who were disadvantaged, fighting as the underdog. See Bill O' Reily's "War on Christmas", british rants about "political correctness", etc. It is truly absurd.

The RNC sounds like it was blood-stoppingly inane :p
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It was. I hate the RNC, all the news for a few days is either about protesters outside it getting arrested / beaten / gassed by police or about the horrendously myopic speeches and statements made by the people at the convention. Palin gets very little criticism in the American press except from columnists and the like in left-leaning publications, although her daughter's pregnancy and her ethics investigation are both pretty well publicized.
Operational said:
It's Sister Miriam.

Geek criticism, I approve.
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Whoops, you're totally right. **** that bitch anyway, I always kill her first.
 
man I'm really starting to think that I'm gonna have to vote for Obama.....****ing neocons are destroying the gop.
 
do it, don't contribute to destroying this country
 
She pressured one of her subordinates to fire her brother-in-law, an Alaskan police officer, because he was engaged in a nasty divorce / custody battle with her sister, and when the guy refused to fire him for that she fired him instead. Let me find a link.

Edit: here: http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/08/29/palin-ethics-investigation/

Also apparently Obama netted 8 million in donations after Palin's speech :D lol take that soccer mom
 
Everything I hear about her is worse and worse. But then again when it comes to US presidential candidates it's chosing the lesser evil anyway.
 
Huh, what a bitch. Anyways, her evil bitchiness still arouses me.
 
Man... there sure are a lot of ****ing morons on youtube who think that she's a visionary and a revolutionary.
 
She just repeated the same thing in her speech, that Obama lacks experience. How many times can one possibly do that. Also, she kept hitting on the fact that Obama's policy to save the economy would mean taxing all of us in many ways, but isn't that what America needs now? I mean, it's having a budget deficit of billions of dollars, people need to be taxed, so in the long run America can save itself.
 
She didn't seem to notice when Obama said he was going to give tax cuts to 98% of the American population, and raise the taxes of the richer 2%.

Silly republicans, thinking they're not in the 98 percentile. Then again, many of them are in that 2 percentile.
 
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