Media family is trying to destory GTA4.

Hopefully Take-Two has learned from its Manhunt 2 experience and will undertake preventive measures to ensure its future games, including Grand Theft Auto IV, are appropriate for families and gamers
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Well that's just not going to happen.

HUGE difference between changing physical content and age rating control.
 
Both games are for an older audience. I don't see the problem especially since the GTA series is not as violent as Manhunt.
 
I doubt anything will happen to GTA4.
 
I doubt anyone listens to ****ing mediafamily.
 
Videogames first. Then fun. Then freedom of speech. Then black people.

Stop these idiots.
 
Why do people make GTA out to be such a great game? I mean it's alright to play but honestly it ain't that good.
 
The issue is that these people believe that every game must be child friendly. That's just wrong.

Not every animation is for children, nor comics. So why do these people expect games to be "appropriate for families and gamers".

Right there is the flaw in their argument "gamers". Are gamers only children? These people certainly seem to think so.
 
It disgusts me that Manhunt 2 hasn't been released. I am of the age to play it, and therefore it should be my choice. I couldn't giving a flying **** about whether kids get their hands on it; thats down to the parents, not me. Stop stamping on my rights you bunch of cun ts.
 
Samon said:
It disgusts me that Manhunt 2 hasn't been released. I am of the age to play it, and therefore it should be my choice. I couldn't giving a flying **** about whether kids get their hands on it; thats down to the parents, not me. Stop stamping on my rights you bunch of cun ts.
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Exactly. And this is what the thread is about, people. Not whether you want to be different and dislike GTA.
 
Media family had absolutely nothing to do with this ..Take2/Rockstar delayed Manhunt2 because both sony and nintendo have a no Adults Only titles policy. They're going to tone down the violence in order to get an M rating

Media family are just a bunch of religous idiots using faith based morality to further their own idiotic agenda
 
CptStern said:
Media family are just a bunch of religous idiots using faith based morality to further their own idiotic agenda
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Media Family are the United States Government?! Wow, that explains a lot.
 
CptStern said:
Media family had absolutely nothing to do with this ..Take2/Rockstar delayed Manhunt2 because both sony and nintendo have a no Adults Only titles policy. They're going to tone down the violence in order to get an M rating

Media family are just a bunch of religous idiots using faith based morality to further their own idiotic agenda
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Something to make your eyes pop in and out with disgust Stern: http://www.capalert.com/
 
Hopefully Take-Two has learned from its Manhunt 2 experience and will undertake preventive measures to ensure its future games, including Grand Theft Auto IV, are appropriate for families and gamers
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I don't get it. Why do they want a game like that to be appropriate for families? It's not like removing the blood or swear words is really going to take the edge off of being able to run over homeless people in a semi. Why don't they just take some goddamn personal responsibility and not let their kids play it, then not worry about what other adults or parents choose to do?

It's seriously infuriating. I'm not even that pissed off at the ESRB that much ... maybe the game did deserve the equivalent of an NC-17 rating. What I'm pissed about is Sony and Nintendo (and MS too if they had been involved, same policy) refusing to let their customers purchase a game that they deem inappropriate.
 
that makes my blood pressure go up ..my heart thanks you Samon ;)


The CAP Ministry is a service to His little ones through you, their parents and grandparents in Jesus' name by His Word. We tell you the truth about the content of popular entertainment using the Truth to decide what to tell you so YOU can make an informed decision on your own whether a flick is fit for your kids or yourselves. Our investigation standards are the teachings and expectations of Jesus Christ and are thus Rock-solid, never changing with the tides of modern morality.
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are they truely that stupid that they dont see how they're being told what is right and wrong but at the same telling their faithful that it's their choice? how is it their choice if the choice has already been made? I swear to god I dont know how christians havent killed themselves en masse in some freak accident that would have been avoided had their logic centers not been corrupted by idiocy.
 
From the Capalert review of Pirates of the Carribean: At World's End

'This film presents some of the most outstanding make up and costuming ever seen on film. But that can be a problem. For example, the squid-head Davy Jones looks about as real as can be. The movements and appearances of the squid flesh that has consumed Jones' head are realistic enough to lead the younger viewer to believe it real. It must be remembered that, as Dr. Karen Nelson, Psychology Department head and practicing counselor Dr. Larry Gilliam agree with me, it would be unusual for even a 16 year old to be able to fully separate fantasy from reality: that such skills do not typically plateau until the early 20s.'

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holy shit are they ever deluded ..do they truely believe a 16 year old wouldnt understand the difference between a human and a person with a squid head? my not quite 4 yr old son knows it's not real (not that I'd let him watch it as there's too much death/violence/scary scenes ..funny how reviewer idiot didnt pick up on the violence ..violence ok, squid head not .. lol)
 
Seriously, why is everyone and their brother coming after gamers? We didn't do anything to harm anyone, and we get a kick in the nuts for it. For the EXTREME Christians and their views to tell you what is good and bad for your children, they're your children and if you don't know what is good for them and you look to some religious nuts for answers... There's something wrong.
 
I was just about to post that, Cormeh :)

'Not once is there a mention of any of the dangers associated with the practice of homosexuality: the typically shortened lifespan; the plethora of diseases not typical of a monogamous heterosexual marriage; the hundreds of partners typically encountered in a homosexual practitioner's shortened lifetime; the violence typically reported in most homosexual relationships; the tendency to practice pedophilia (ref: the North American Man-boy Love Association and a 24-year study by Dr. Judith Reisman); many others, not even the violation of such practice against God's Word [e.g., 1 Cor. 6:9-10]. And they in the film who are opposed to the practice of homosexuality are portrayed as small minded, intolerant, selfish and as redneck murderers.'

:eek:

wtf is the 'North American Man-boy Love Association'?
 
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I pray many of us can soon open our minds enough to see precisely what many movies, whether intentional, are truly doing to us. Many movies hturT us in ways we may not understand. And, yes, "hturT" is correct. It is reversed Truth, twisted and counterfeited beyond recognition and shows the hidden and sometimes invisible hurt in doing so, with the greatest hurt in the End.
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:laugh: my head "hturT" ..probably because I'm repeatedly being kicked in the head by stupid ..at least that's what it feels like when reading their website




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* Grandpa's Friendly Workshop: Making Friends (Total score: 100/100)
* Mary Poppins (Total score: 100/100)
* Baby Miracle volume 1 (Total score: 100/100)
* Who Gets the House? (Total score: 100/100)
* Big Bird in China (Total score: 98/100)
* Baby Miracle volume 2 (Total score: 98/100)
* The Tigger Movie (Total score: 98/100)
* The Miracle of the Cards (Total score: 97/100)
* Piglet's Big Movie (Total score: 97/100)
* Baby Miracle volume 3 (Total score: 97/100)

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* Freddy vs. Jason (Total score: 0/100)
* American Psycho (Total score: 0/100)
* Sin City (Total score: 0/100)
* Scary Movie (Total score: 0/100)
* Idle Hands (Total score: 2/100)
* Basic (Total score: 2/100)
* Book of Shadows: Blair Witch 2 (Total score: 4/100)
* Dogma (Total score: 6/100)
* FeardotCom (Total score: 9/100)
* Gun Shy (Total score: 11/100)
 
I don't think GTA4 will be bannd in THE UK..other places...... they ****ing can't do it.
 
Samon said:
It disgusts me that Manhunt 2 hasn't been released. I am of the age to play it, and therefore it should be my choice. I couldn't giving a flying **** about whether kids get their hands on it; thats down to the parents, not me. Stop stamping on my rights you bunch of cun ts.
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The BBFC's decision not to allow Manhunt 2 to be released was nothing to do with whether children could get their grubby little mitts on it, nor was it due to any pressure groups. It seems to me, in fact, that that is not something the BBFC keeps at the forefront of the censorship duties, and nor should it.

The reason Manhunt 2 is not up for release is because it was deemed too offensive, contravening British censorship laws to the point where it could not be modified or edited into a state in line with those censorship laws. The same would go for a film.
The original Manhunt just made it (with a lot of editing, I might add) and that was nothing to do with whether kids could get it or not.

I'm not saying the BBFC's decision is right or wrong: are we being molly-coddled as a society or is a legal body simply doing its job properly? Not having seen enough of the game, I can't be sure.
Nevertheless, I think it's important to at least get our facts straight.
 
I ****ing HATE with a PASSION ****ers that try and pull this shit.
 
The BBFC did nothing wrong.
 
Knowing that Microsoft's financial strength can kill that puny little group with a single sneeze and finger up the nose, I'm not too concerned.
 
PsychoFreak said:
The BBFC did nothing wrong.
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So you believe they were correct in that you are unable to responsibly handle the content of the game, and therefore should not be allowed to purchase it? You're comfortable letting people make these kinds of decisions for you?
 
CptStern said:
are they truely that stupid that they dont see how they're being told what is right and wrong but at the same telling their faithful that it's their choice? how is it their choice if the choice has already been made? I swear to god I dont know how christians havent killed themselves en masse in some freak accident that would have been avoided had their logic centers not been corrupted by idiocy.
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God bless America. :dozey:
 
smwScott said:
So you believe they were correct in that you are unable to responsibly handle the content of the game, and therefore should not be allowed to purchase it? You're comfortable letting people make these kinds of decisions for you?
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This is a question every gamer should ask themselves in response to the BBFC's decision.

Look, I don't even care about Manhunt. But violence in a game - even of the gratuitous variety - is not sufficient grounds for it to be banned. I can agree with an AO rating (although that brings us back to the spineless actions of Nintendo and Sony) because at least the game could still make its way to audiences that are mature enough to handle its content. But the BBFC has done nothing more than arrogantly assume that the population it "protects" is too stupid and irresponsible to play it.

Manhunt is fake. Its characters are not real. Its blood and guts are digital. It doesn't even look all that realistic. The BBFC bought into the same fearmongering, scapegoating whoreshit that's been parading around for years. Their job should be to regulate products. Not censor them into nonexistence.
 
These are the type of people who push for banning fireworks, taking TV shows off the air, and denying our children the right to play certain video games.

Damn, it's no fun to be a kid anymore. Everything's become so sanitized and watered down and... lame, thanks to these types of people.
 
smwScott said:
So you believe they were correct in that you are unable to responsibly handle the content of the game, and therefore should not be allowed to purchase it? You're comfortable letting people make these kinds of decisions for you?
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Sigh. The BBFC is there for an extremely good reason.
Without their regulation, a lot of genuinely disturbing stuff would be on the market, hardcore pornography (and seeing as there's no restrictions on content without the BBFC, this could include pretty much anything - faeces, bestiality, electrocution and all kinds of other stuff you mightn't want yer sprogs to see) would be legally available to children and a whole host of other complicated issues involving horrific content being in circulation.
Do you honestly believe there should be no censorship or regulations?

For the most part, they are even-handed and make sensible judgements and it seems from what I've read that they haven't taken the decision to ban the game lightly - it's a very big step for them to outright ban anything. Manhunt 2 is not a victim of an anti-game witch-hunt on the BBFC's part.

You also have to bear in mind that we don't know exactly what the inner workings are that caused the BBFC's decision.
 
We have adult only movies which contain content that children shouldn't consume. Why is it a big deal if we have adult only video games which contain content children shouldn't consume? It seems natural and logical to me. It's no more infringment of rights than an R rating at the theater. It's certainly far better then a complete ban that prevents an adult from consuming adult only material. As has been said already, blame Nintendo for the Manhunt thing. It's Nintendo's choice to disallow AO games on it's system.

As for the religious fuzzy-wuzzy blowhards; who really cares about their opinion? Proper enforcement of the ESRB should curtail this issue. The problem is that the ESRB isn't being enforced, kids do dumb shit (not because of video games), and video games take the fall. If it was equally hard for a kid to buy GTA4, as it is for them to buy a bottle of liquor, then all will be well with the world.
 
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I don't think scott was making that broad of an argument. He was speaking about their decision on Manhunt 2, the furthest extent being violence in video games in general.

It should be obvious that of course censorship is needed to a degree. Snuff films, bestiality (animal abuse), and other content that involves the direct harm of others in the production of its content is unacceptable. But that that's not the case in games with graphic content. The only people "suffering" in violent games are people that literally do not exist. In all practicality, you are committing victimless crimes (a term I use very loosely).

The problem isn't with regulations. I can't speak for scott, but I agree that they are very much necessary. The issue is that banning adult video game content is simply unreasonable and even morally pretentious. I don't see the problem if it were simply given a strict, adult rating.

There may be a deeper story here, although I don't really know what that could possibly be. I can only go off what's been explicitly stated. :|
 
Fishlore said:
We have adult only movies which contain content that children shouldn't consume. Why is it a big deal if we have adult only video games which contain content children shouldn't consume? It seems natural and logical to me. It's no more infringment of rights than an R rating at the theater. It's certainly far better then a complete ban that prevents an adult from consuming adult only material. As has been said already, blame Nintendo for the Manhunt thing. It's Nintendo's choice to disallow AO games on it's system.

As for the religious fuzzy-wuzzy blowhards; who really cares about their opinion? Proper enforcement of the ESRB should curtail this issue. The problem is that the ESRB isn't being enforced, kids do dumb shit (not because of video games), and video games take the fall. If it was equally hard for a kid to buy GTA4, as it is for them to buy a bottle of liquor, then all will be well with the world.
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they dont think the esrb is doing a good enough job, they want the federal government to regulate ratings for video games
 
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