Megaman: Source needs a couple of people

[cpuman]

Hey guys i'm back, i changed the name of the mod from megaman tf mod to Megaman: Source. I also changed the gameplay around to where there are no classes and you can play any of your favorite big hitters from the megaman games. Were starting off with Megaman, Zero, Axl, Protoman, Bass, Vile, and will be adding on alot more as we go. I got a new site and my own domain name like i said i would, its at http://dailysub.co.uk until we get a redirect through a different domain name. We currently have a modeler, coder, mapper, webdesigner, and we need a Model Animator, Skinner, & Gfx Artist. If you or someone you know wants in on any of these positions, email me at: [email protected] or post in the forums under crew applications.

 

[Dekstar]

Should I even ask if you got permission from the original creators of the Megaman series? Or is that a void subject?

 

[Nagash]

permission doesn't really matter unless they plan to make any sort of money from this venture, unless the creators of the megaman series really hates people trying to step on their toes, otherwise, no cash only means they are helping increase the popularity of the series, even if it's in a very minor way.

i suppose you could also get closed down if you make a crappy game and they see it and consider it as something that hates their series.

nothing wrong with mod's themed after other games n stuff, alot of mods do that. It can be a good system but also bad. It's good as in it's got a built in audience, but it's bad as in their audience will demand it's faithful to the megaman series, and if it looks even slightly wrong/poor, where you'd get away with it on an original themed mod, on this type of mod, fans will dislike the mod if you do onething slightly wrong.

gl with the mod, cos my modis in the same position as you, eg, we are also making a mod based on an already established franchise

 

[Ti133700N]

/me waits for Angry Lawyer to come and slap Nagash with his laywer stick.

 

[crackhead]

i dont think hes even gona bother theres like hundreds of posts like this that need to be slapped with his lawyer stick. he has his work cut out.

 

[G-Dub]

i suppose you could also get closed down if you make a crappy game and they see it and consider it as something that hates their series.

They wouldn't even let you get that far. It'll be shut down.

 

[Pi Mu Rho]

permission doesn't really matter unless they plan to make any sort of money from this venture

Wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, WRONG.

If it's not your property, then you do not have any rights to use it. The copyright owner is perfectly within their rights to shut you down and have to be seen to be doing so in order to contiue protecting their copyright. There are some exceptions, where the copyright holder grants permission, but if you don't ask for and haven't received permission, then expect the Cease and Desist order.

 

[Angry Lawyer]

Wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, WRONG.

If it's not your property, then you do not have any rights to use it. The copyright owner is perfectly within their rights to shut you down and have to be seen to be doing so in order to contiue protecting their copyright. There are some exceptions, where the copyright holder grants permission, but if you don't ask for and haven't received permission, then expect the Cease and Desist order.

*Points the Lawyer stick at Pi's post*

There's a man who knows his stuff.

Its not about you promoting their work. Its about either A: if they choose to create a Megaman FPS game, they're going to have to compete (pfft) with a mod, or B: if your mod bombs, it'll reflect badly on Megaman.
They'll Cease and Desist you, most likely just before you get a release.

And, Crackhead, even between coding Zombie Master, Conquest: City 17, doing a full-time job, studying a home University course, and having an active social life, I've always got the time to wave the Lawyer stick.

-Angry Lawyer

 

[cpuman]

guys chill...

hey guys, i called capcoim as soon as i started this project and they said, and i quote: "you can use the name Megaman and any material associated with Megaman as long as no revenue is being generated." So basically, they don't care about all of the popularity, just look at the legends series, it sucked the big one. And for all of you people saying this project will get sued, and that nagash is wrong, I hate to break it to you but it isn't going to happen. Anyways, i'm going to go 1 step further and add in something about this mod is not associated with capcon ect. ect. in the start up screen so nobody is going to get sued. if you don't like the idea, thats all you, but it doesnt mean the you have to go and start flaming the mod and this post! buncha flamers!

 

[Angry Lawyer]

Without evidence, I'm going to assume you've lied about the Capcom bit.

They won't sue you, they'll cease and desist you, THEN sue you.

-Angry Lawyer

 

[Mutley]

Who gives a monkeys internal arse about evidence? He got permission directly from Capcom, if your not going to put any work into this modification I suggest you step back on the moron train back to moron planet.

Please only post if your intrested in helping and not flaming.

 

[cpuman]

Without evidence, I'm going to assume you've lied about the Capcom bit.

They won't sue you, they'll cease and desist you, THEN sue you.

-Angry Lawyer

I am not shitting you, you can call them for yourselfs, its even on their site. plz research before you post.

 

[cpuman]

http://www.capcom.com/support/#q1 dont believe me, go there. They treat a mod, the same as a website, and if you still don't believe me call them at 408-774-0400. this should proove my point.

 

[Angry Lawyer]

Who gives a monkeys internal arse about evidence? He got permission directly from Capcom, if your not going to put any work into this modification I suggest you step back on the moron train back to moron planet.

Please only post if your intrested in helping and not flaming.

You really think I LIKE seeing people have their mods crushed? No. We live in a real world, with real laws, and IP laws are one of them.
As soon as *you* have something to show for your name, in terms of a modification, then you can at least talk level with me. But - guess what - you don't. So I'm going to talk down to you.

As for Capcom's site...

Capcom does not object to you creating a website which may contain reference to Capcom games or characters, with the understanding that this is done as a personal activity and that you do not intend to receive revenue by this use of our property. Also, we will not object to the website as long as it is not obscene, defamatory, libelous, offensive or slanderous towards Capcom, our products, or employees, or any third party; or violate any intellectual property right or a person's right of publicity or privacy. This policy is in no way meant to be interpreted as creating an agreement or grant of license from Capcom to you. So if you are a fan of Capcom games, and you have a website that you would like to create, Capcom will not object so long as you are working within the above stated criteria.

Most companies allow fan-sites to appear, hence HL2.net. However, using their IP in a mod IS different, and I fail to see anywhere in that clause that states you're allowed to create a derivative work.

And I'm not really in a position to telephone the United States, and because I'm that good, I'll just assume I'm right.

-Angry Lawyer

 

[cpuman]

And I'm not really in a position to telephone the United States, and because I'm that good, I'll just assume I'm right.

-Angry Lawyer

oh B.S., if you actually gave a damn about the truth, you would call that number, and im pretty sure its toll free. you are just a child who feels the need to try and make yourself look intellegent by belittling those around you. In all honesty, i don't give 2 cents about your opinion, and if you don't like the mod, or you feel it's going to fail, then please stop flaming. They gave me their permission, and if i get sued, then i get sued, I don't see why you should care. You're not in any kind of danger.

 

[Angry Lawyer]

Also, we will not object to the website Edit: Or mod, in your case as long as it is not obscene, defamatory, libelous, offensive or slanderous towards Capcom, our products, or employees, or any third party; or violate any intellectual property right or a person's right of publicity or privacy.

You're right, I don't give a damn about the truth. Even if you don't get Foxed, there's still the problem of you actually producing the mod. I just don't see it happening. Produce content, get the game working, before asking people for help and opinions.

Yeah, I'm an asshole, and I wouldn't have it any other way. And you're not really in the position to call other people "children".

-Angry Lawyer

 

[MadMojo]

Surprisingly, cpuman is correct in this. I decided to call his bluff and get into contact with Capcom myself and ask about this. They also support his information. I don't think many companies allow you to do this with their intellectual properties, but apparently they do. They are perfectly comfortable with people using MegaMan and all the characters from the MegaMan universe in a game modification like this.

Shocked the hell out of me, though. There are some guidelines about it, but apparently from what they said and the information they've sent me in e-mail he'll have no problems with this.

Wow. =) Good luck to you, cpuman.

 

[Angry Lawyer]

Surprisingly, cpuman is correct in this. I decided to call his bluff and get into contact with Capcom myself and ask about this. They also support his information. I don't think many companies allow you to do this with their intellectual properties, but apparently they do. They are perfectly comfortable with people using MegaMan and all the characters from the MegaMan universe in a game modification like this.

Shocked the hell out of me, though. There are some guidelines about it, but apparently from what they said and the information they've sent me in the mail he'll have no problems with this.

Wow. =) Good luck to you, cpuman.

Really? Then I'll back down on that part. Although it'll probably be wise to actually e-mail them for confirmation that you can post on your site. You need something solid to prove it, otherwise they can turn around and still beatstick the modification. Saying you phoned someone, and they said yes, is no use in court unless you've got a recording.
Still, I stand firm on the other points I raised.

-Angry Lawyer

 

[MadMojo]

Well, there are definitely points in the information they send in e-mail and talk about over the phone about how he can use the property. And he can't purposefully make fun of or demean MegaMan. And he can't sell what he makes. Etc...etc...

But they seem to support the MegaMan fan community and like to see their art, websites, gamemods, etc... Nice to see people who support their fans so much are out there. MegaMan is certainly an older IP. Perhaps they are hoping a bit for new life being breathed into it with mods. *shrugs*

Make certain you pay attention to those details, though, cpuman. =) Would hate for you to put in all that work for a mod (screenshots are looking decent for just starting, by the way) and then have it shut down because of a minor technicality you didn't follow.

 

[Angry Lawyer]

And he can't purposefully make fun of or demean MegaMan.

Actually, that's the one thing he CAN do without permission. IP laws allow for parody

-Angry Lawyer

 

[cpuman]

angry lawyer, i'm sorry for calling you a child and any other insult i have made towards you, it is pretty obvious we are both stubborn hard heads, lol. I really did do all my homework before starting this, it just kinda pissed me off that people would start downing the mod through a help request. As for gameplay, it is already wrote down, but we don't wanna give away too much info on the mod, it takes away from the anticipation of the release. I know i won't get sued though because i have no intention of hurting the megaman name. All i want to do is make a good mod for the HL2 community. I just wish people would believe me when i say something....

 

[Nagash]

Actually, that's the one thing he CAN do without permission. IP laws allow for parody

check out channel101.com and their House of Cosby series, Bill Cosby's lawyers slapped a cease and disist on them for the paradoy of Bill Cosby, and i think that applies to my quote of you.

As for mod permissions n stuff, i am going based on other mod's being closed down what i've seen before. That Stargate mod was closed down for use of their stuff, so proves companies n stuff can be bitches. I'm also going off the old Quake 3 mod "Bid For Power" which was originally a Dragonball Z mod, and they decided to sell their mod, or at least try to (as can be seen currently with the sequel), so they ended up having to change all their content. Then alot of DBZ mods that just failed cos they were run by n00bs, used this excuse... sounds better than "we failed cos we're n00bs", as a reason for closing down and disappointing fans. However, for DBZ at least, there are many mods on different platforms, most noticable is ESF, who have been around for years, they continue to produce and have had no orders to stop. This applies to my mod. Though i will be contacting FUNiMation (DBZ owners) and Atari (hold the rights to be the only compay to produce DBZ games i believe) when we get a little further in development. We are still a young mod, so no point in bothering them yet, imo, others may think differently, but hey, it's my choice here .

From my research and experience, it's pot luck depending on what kind of company your against. You can get the bitch company who will close you down as soon as they enter your website, or you can get the one who'll not care either way, or there's the ones who'll wait and see if you produce a good game and maybe buy it off you (not to likely thou).

the only reason i stick up for people in situations like this is because every time you release a bit of media to a HL News site, someone has to say... omg your going to get closed down so why bother... you get that all the time, and 999,999 times out of 1,000,000 the people saying it haven't got a clue what they are talking about, it gets old fast. Sure, sometimes there may be some merit to it, but there some merit to saying it about CS clone mods, or the thousands of horror games out there, which are usually based on some horror movie (only saying this cos i see Zombie Master in Angry Lawyer's signature, i actually have no idea what that mod is about, it just made me think of horror mods ).

In the long run, this is a request for help forum, not a point and laugh forum, who cares if some random person might think that a mod could get closed down. Discuss that when people ask about it in the relevent places. If the mod is run by n00bs, if it gets closed down, who cares, u wasted effort tellingthem, cos they'll just do it again, but if the mod is run by people who actually want to make a decent mod, they would have thought about stuff like this, and if they didn't, i'm sure someone on their staff did, or someone said it on their forum in passing, saying it here is only a quiet echo and you'll be ignored whatever you say.

 

[Angry Lawyer]

check out channel101.com and their House of Cosby series, Bill Cosby's lawyers slapped a cease and disist on them for the paradoy of Bill Cosby, and i think that applies to my quote of you.

As for mod permissions n stuff, i am going based on other mod's being closed down what i've seen before. That Stargate mod was closed down for use of their stuff, so proves companies n stuff can be bitches. I'm also going off the old Quake 3 mod "Bid For Power" which was originally a Dragonball Z mod, and they decided to sell their mod, or at least try to (as can be seen currently with the sequel), so they ended up having to change all their content. Then alot of DBZ mods that just failed cos they were run by n00bs, used this excuse... sounds better than "we failed cos we're n00bs", as a reason for closing down and disappointing fans. However, for DBZ at least, there are many mods on different platforms, most noticable is ESF, who have been around for years, they continue to produce and have had no orders to stop. This applies to my mod. Though i will be contacting FUNiMation (DBZ owners) and Atari (hold the rights to be the only compay to produce DBZ games i believe) when we get a little further in development. We are still a young mod, so no point in bothering them yet, imo, others may think differently, but hey, it's my choice here .

From my research and experience, it's pot luck depending on what kind of company your against. You can get the bitch company who will close you down as soon as they enter your website, or you can get the one who'll not care either way, or there's the ones who'll wait and see if you produce a good game and maybe buy it off you (not to likely thou).

the only reason i stick up for people in situations like this is because every time you release a bit of media to a HL News site, someone has to say... omg your going to get closed down so why bother... you get that all the time, and 999,999 times out of 1,000,000 the people saying it haven't got a clue what they are talking about, it gets old fast. Sure, sometimes there may be some merit to it, but there some merit to saying it about CS clone mods, or the thousands of horror games out there, which are usually based on some horror movie (only saying this cos i see Zombie Master in Angry Lawyer's signature, i actually have no idea what that mod is about, it just made me think of horror mods ).

In the long run, this is a request for help forum, not a point and laugh forum, who cares if some random person might think that a mod could get closed down. Discuss that when people ask about it in the relevent places. If the mod is run by n00bs, if it gets closed down, who cares, u wasted effort tellingthem, cos they'll just do it again, but if the mod is run by people who actually want to make a decent mod, they would have thought about stuff like this, and if they didn't, i'm sure someone on their staff did, or someone said it on their forum in passing, saying it here is only a quiet echo and you'll be ignored whatever you say.

Zombie Master's not based on any movies, actually. Mods CAN be made without basing it on a book/movie/comic/TV Show/other game series.

And 999,999 out of 1,000,000 times, those people are actually right, because by using other people's IP, you're playing with fire and have a good chance of being burned. And, in general, it's frowned upon by those more experienced in modding, because it shows that a team's not creative enough to produce its own concept.

And for information on Zombie Master, check the News section of the site.

The reason I point out IP infringements is because of three major factors:

• People whine when they get shut down
• Its not a good idea to take undue risks and have your work for nothing
• It saves Pi Mu Rho from having to do it.

And, I think you'll find, if a mod has a team of experienced modders, they pretty much know not to infringe on copyright.

-Angry Lawyer

 

[crackhead]

if you actually gave a damn about the truth

the truth??! you cant handle the truth!!

im sorry angry lawyer. you got to involved in this one.

 

[cpuman]

does nobody see my public apoligy to angry lawyer? geeze.....

 

[crackhead]

what are you talking about. i saw your apology. whats that got to do with anything?

 

[Angry Lawyer]

does nobody see my public apoligy to angry lawyer? geeze.....

Not enough paragraphing, and you failed to capitalise the first letter of my name, so I couldn't read it.

-Angry Lawyer

 

[Veggi]

In my experience the only way to learn thing Is the hard way. So if they don`t have permission to make a megaman mod they will hopefully learn from it when they get shut down. If they have the permission as they say then this can be a great mod and everyone is happy. But for now lets stick to the topic should we? :upstare:

 

[cpuman]

ok I see this mod has been knocked pretty far off the list so this is a bump to get it back in peoples attention, the copyrights thing has been settled, no lawsuits or any of that stuff. we still need more people.

 

[cpuman]

still need more people!

 

[egoncalo]

I'll make some skins for you in my freetime. I'm a skinner for Battlegrounds 2 so that takes alot of my time. But send me some stuff you need skinned (unwrap and model) to [email protected]. I'll get to work on it as fast as I can.

 

[cpuman]

we still need people. could use another coder as well. we maily need an animator though.