Michael Moore - Stupid Fat White Man?

[Calanen]

They were all having a nice, civil discourse until you came in... now who knows what will happen? You're certainly not painting a good picture of your side by being the first to "go off the deep end" (in your own words). Walk out, take a deep breath, leave your bias at the door (if you can find a container big enough for it), and then come back to the discussion.

I'm not going off the deep end. Or even the shallow end. Man there are posts when people go berserk in here, but pointing to mine is not your best example.

Its a fair point though, Michael Moore expects every one he harasses to behave with good grace and manners if he arrives at their offices with a camera and a bullhorn. He flips out though if you do it to him. Double Standards?

 

[Mechagodzilla]

But such hypocrisy is par for the course, in the wacky wacky world of the loony left.

Oh course, it is equally hypocritical to use Moore's same tactics and 'journalistic' style in the first place.

I'm not going to bother making up some sort of condecending name for conservatives though. Alliteration, whoo.

 

[jondy]

Calanen, what have I told you about playing up the whole 'loony left' thing.

Did you get it from a book, or did you come up with this smorgasmabordic alliteration frenzy by yourself?

 

[Absinthe]

Calanen's mission, from what I can see, is to stir up shit with his constant "loony left" comments. I'm surprised he hasn't gotten any warnings yet for trolling.

 

[seinfeldrules]

I dont see anyone jumping on anybody's case when the term 'Neo-Con' is used, but that must just be me.

 

[jondy]

You'll get over it.

 

[seinfeldrules]

So should you guys.

 

[jondy]

Seriously, the whole 'Loony Left' thing is bandied around here a shitload more than neo-con.

heh, bandied. what a great word

 

[Absinthe]

I dont see anyone jumping on anybody's case when the term 'Neo-Con' is used, but that must just be me.

And how often does the word "neo-con" pop up? From what I've seen, not that often.

Doesn't matter, though. "Loony left" is insulting. "Neo-con", by its definition, is not a term of derision. Any insult in that is percieved only by you.

 

[el Chi]

Seriously, the whole 'Loony Left' thing is bandied around here a shitload more than neo-con.

It's so bloody tired. Especially the seeming buzz-phrase of our beloved conservatives:
"Liberals are always so quick to blame someone else and ignore their responsibilities."
Because the right has an impeccable track record of atoning for their mistakes and attending to the repercussions. :hmph:

 

[seinfeldrules]

Any insult in that is percieved only by you.

Or insinuated by the writer. Besides, that was only one example.

 

[jondy]

*shakes fist* I'll insinuate you!

Back on topic: Seinfeld, you really don't have a case. Even if neo-con was hideously overused, which it isn't, Loony Left is directly derogatory, and neo-con isn't

 

[seinfeldrules]

Back on topic: Seinfeld, you really don't have a case. Even if neo-con was hideously overused, which it isn't, Loony Left is directly derogatory, and neo-con isn't

1. This isnt the topic, it is a tangent you began. The real topic is Michael Moore.
2. One person uses the term 'loony left', just as others use; 'bigot', 'neo-con' (in a derogatory context), 'brainwashed', etc etc.

 

[Absinthe]

Or insinuated by the writer.

Ah, but when the word "liberal" is used to insinuate an insult, you delve into reasoning such as "You're offended by it because you percieve the word to be insulting", essentially arguing that we're self-haters.

Why is it that conservatives have justified annoyance when being addressed by their political labels, but liberals are just being whiny bitches?

 

[jondy]

2. One person uses the term 'loony left', just as others use; 'bigot', 'neo-con' (in a derogatory context), 'brainwashed', etc etc.

If only one person uses the term, why are you bitching? I was taking the piss out of Calanen, not you. Not sure what you're trying to achieve.

But you were right about one thing; this is off topic.

Kudos to Absinthe for bothering to word stuff nicely

 

[^Ben]

Moore, like a lesser Ann Coulter, is extremely successful at distracting the opposite faction from real issues with flashy stuff and tenously stretched facts sprinkled with some real facts merged with casually exaggerated 'outraged' opinionation and largely unsuccessful attempts at a comedic slant.

He's also similar to Coulter in the fact that he's doing more harm to his own cause than good by not living up to the hype he generates around his "hard-hitting, factually accurate exposing of the other faction's immorality." The end result is that any good points he might have are drowned out by all the prominently and obstensably arguable/dodgy ones, forcing his cause into a near self-defeat.

Moore differs in the fact, though, that he attracts far more focussed and heated controversy for comparatively less, with serveral films and books devoted entirely to casting him in a bad light. The controversy generated by this veritable cottage industry of media does little more than draw more intrest to Moore and fuel his media coverage and pop-culture status. They also don't do themselves any favors by attempting to parody the same flashy style and exploitation of pop-culture status they're attempting to demonize. So, in the end, Moore is kept aloft by his main detractors and neither side looks very good. This book is just a sign that this cycle's going to keep repeating itself ad nauseum.

Also, he's fat lol.

Troof.

 

[Vigilante]

I really hate Michael Moore, he blows everything out of proportion. All he does is whine and whine and whine. Now I know that this is a typical right wing response, but he should either run for president to try and at least fix "his" problems, shut up, or go away.

 

[CptStern]

pffft, way too much is said about Moore ...he's a film maker! how "in-depth" could his journalism be? it's the "idiot box"! The right wing should train their sights on chomsky or zinn.... although I guess that'd be too great a challenge

 

[Calanen]

Calanen's mission, from what I can see, is to stir up shit with his constant "loony left" comments. I'm surprised he hasn't gotten any warnings yet for trolling.

I have no mission. And the stuff that I have seen or ideas that are loony left, I will say are loony left. Trolling is a bit more like personally insulting a person - hey, like you just did.

 

[Calanen]

And Moore does use facts, as his extensive list of sources shows.

Moore uses a lot of half-truths and dresses them up as facts. See the difference between the real 9/11 Commission report and what went up on his website to apparently vindicate hi Fahrenheit 9/11. The editing is obscene. And there are a whole lot more Mooreisms where he did not let the facts get in the way of his agenda.

 

[kirovman]

Did anyone try watching Fahrenheit 9/11 without Micheal Moore's commentary (if that is possible).

Then you would be able to draw your own conclusions, no narration.

I'm quite interested in doing that.

 

[Calanen]

You mean without sound? You would not know what the hell was going on!

 

[CptStern]

Moore uses a lot of half-truths and dresses them up as facts. See the difference between the real 9/11 Commission report and what went up on his website to apparently vindicate hi Fahrenheit 9/11. The editing is obscene. And there are a whole lot more Mooreisms where he did not let the facts get in the way of his agenda.

have you seen the movie?

 

[Calanen]

have you seen the movie?

Yes - and bowling for Columbine. Do i have to scan some ticket stubs to prove it?

 

[Sgt_Shellback]

I was really pissed after seeing F-911 that I didn't get an Uzi with my checking account. Someone here doesn't know what the hell they're talking about.

Edit Whoa... I dropped some warnings.... Must be admiration from the staff... :hmph:

 

[seinfeldrules]

Ah, but when the word "liberal" is used to insinuate an insult, you delve into reasoning such as "You're offended by it because you percieve the word to be insulting", essentially arguing that we're self-haters.

Why is it that conservatives have justified annoyance when being addressed by their political labels, but liberals are just being whiny bitches?

I take no offense to being called a Conservative. I think that is a better example than the one you provided.

 

[Sgt_Shellback]

I take no offense to being called a Conservative. I think that is a better example than the one you provided.

I take no offense to be called a conservative... I am.

Those liberals like to hide for some reason??? I guess they are not so secure in their own ideology.

 

[pomegranate]

I hate this. I'm so sick of this constant back-and-forth yacka-yacka-yacka. I used to enjoy talking about politics but in the last few years any medium of discussion, from a computer game messageboard to the Senate, has just gotten so goddamned partisan, spiteful and intolerant. Nothing good ever comes of it, so why doesn't everyone just STFU?
I could say where I place the blame for this situation, but I won't, because someone on the opposing side to my ideology will just turn it around and yacka-yacka-yacka and so on....

Just wake me up when the street battles start...

 

[Sgt_Shellback]

I hate this. I'm so sick of this constant back-and-forth yacka-yacka-yacka. I used to enjoy talking about politics but in the last few years any medium of discussion, from a computer game messageboard to the Senate, has just gotten so goddamned partisan, spiteful and intolerant. Nothing good ever comes of it, so why doesn't everyone just STFU?
I could say where I place the blame for this situation, but I won't, because the opposing side to my ideology will just turn it around and yacka-yacka-yacka and so on....

Just wake me up when the street battles start...

You shouldn't be coming to politcal sites if you can't handle impassioned people talking about thier political opinions... I mean no personal slam in this.... You want everyone else to STFU but why not just tune out so that people can speak thier mind if they're so inclined without it bothering you?

Sincerly... Not being a jerk.

 

[pomegranate]

You shouldn't be coming to politcal sites if you can't handle impassioned people talking about thier political opinions... I mean no personal slam in this.... You want everyone else to STFU but why not just tune out so that people can speak thier mind if they're so inclined without it bothering you?

Sincerly... Not being a jerk.

Thanks for the reassurance. I can handle people being passionate about their opinions, but it's not just that any more, it's hateful. There isn't discussion of politics any more, it's just trading insults back and forth.

 

[Sgt_Shellback]

Thanks for the reassurance. I can handle people being passionate about their opinions, but it's not just that any more, it's hateful. There isn't discussion of politics any more, it's just trading insults back and forth.

The fact is we can have very different politcal opinions but still not be bad people. I'm sure we'd be buying each other beers at a social occasion but on a politcal site there's nothing to do but state your position so everyone comes off as antagonists.

Don't sweat it. Go play CS:S when this pisses you off.

 

[GhostFox]

There isn't discussion of politics any more, it's just trading insults back and forth.

That is because the majority of posters are now extremists, and any moderates often get caught up between the two opposing firestorms. I admit it can be frustrating at times. How I'd love a discussion based on facts as opposed to rhetoric.

 

[CptStern]

Yes - and bowling for Columbine. Do i have to scan some ticket stubs to prove it?

maybe you can point out where the misleading bit was during the scene with the infant and the pile of corpses?

 

[GhostFox]

maybe you can point out where the misleading bit was during the scene with the infant and the pile of corpses?

Maybe it was easy to miss any good points he had because you were too busy trying to see past the piles of BS he was busily shoveling.

 

[pomegranate]

The fact is we can have very different politcal opinions but still not be bad people. I'm sure we'd be buying each other beers at a social occasion but on a politcal site there's nothing to do but state your position so everyone comes off as antagonists.

Sure, I guess that's true. But it is having a real effect on the world. We've got problems, and because of the breakdown in discussion and increased partisanism (partisanship?) they're not really being dealt with ways that a lot of people agree with. And this is hurting democracy....

 

[Sgt_Shellback]

It's all leading to WWIII... Everyone against Canada... LOL

Seriously though I agree. The next cold war is Europe & US, when socialism takes over as the new communism.

Bill Gates will be our battle cry.

 

[GhostFox]

It's all leading to WWIII... Everyone against Canada... LOL

We've got the maple syrup drinkers and the weird old guys who live in shacks and hunt beaver divisions ready to go, and the mounties are getting new horses soon. Bring it on

 

[pomegranate]

It's all leading to WWIII... Everyone against Canada... LOL

Seriously though I agree. The next cold war is Europe & US, when socialism takes over as the new communism.

Bill Gates will be our battle cry.

Socialism, in Europe? Hmm. It's more like Not-Quite-All-Holds-Barred-Psychotic-Free-Market-Capitalism

 

[Sgt_Shellback]

We've got the maple syrup drinkers and the weird old guys who live in shacks and hunt beaver divisions ready to go, and the mounties are getting new horses soon. Bring it on

LOL! Even with all our technology we have lost the ability to defend against an honest to goodness maple syrup horse cavalry charge. (Guys would be throwin down their laser weapons and holding out their plate of pancakes.) LOL

 

[CptStern]

Maybe it was easy to miss any good points he had because you were too busy trying to see past the piles of BS he was busily shoveling.

such as?


hey at least no one died as a result of moore's bending of the truth ..can you say the same about bush? see this what I dont get, some of you are willing to burn Moore at the stake for "lying" yet you'll all turn a blind eye to the lies that led to the deaths of thousands of innocents ..it makes no sense what-so-ever it really does boggle the mind ..it's just too one-dimensional of a personality trait to be believable