Microsoft Conference! ALL OF IT!

[Javert]

You think they should have waited until this holiday season to release the Xbox 360 in order to wait until Gears of War was finished? Lol that's ridiculous. Am I reading this right? That makes no sense whatsoever, and it's a good thing you aren't in charge. "You go to the war with the army you have, not the one you wish you had"

Would you agree that GoW would have been a better launch title than PDZ? I don't see why holding back the XBox 360 until a better "killer-app", never mind alleviating shipping numbers and better hardware, "makes no sense" and deserves a comment as "good thing you aren't in charge". Are you? As for your (anon) military quote I'll reply with, "Do not go to war unless victory is assured." -Sun Tzu.

PDZ is based on little known underground hit from years past, Perfect Dark - N64.

Perfect Dark was NOT a "little known underground hit". It was a ****-ing smash in my days. It was not brand name that was the issue, it was quality that didn't match past killer-apps as Halo, Final Fantasy.

As for the frame-rate, it was smooth as butter, except for a couple of occasions when it looked to lose a few frames

Contradictory and more than a few frames. But I'm not one to niggle. Regardless it is a problem in Oblivion (see Gametrailer's video review) and I see it will be a problem in GoW where it's more serious.

The multi-player co-op of GoW was incredible, and I can't wait to play it.

And at the same time you're saying framerates of explosions won't be an issue?

I'm usually not such a quote whore, but I always feel a need to ... ah, defend myself when someone decides to take the low road.

 

[VirusType2]

Would you agree that GoW would have been a better launch title than PDZ? I don't see why holding back the XBox 360 until a better "killer-app", never mind alleviating shipping numbers and better hardware, "makes no sense" and deserves a comment as "good thing you aren't in charge". Are you? As for your (anon) military quote I'll reply with, "Do not go to war unless victory is assured." -Sun Tzu.
Perfect Dark was NOT a "little known underground hit". It was a ****-ing smash in my days. It was not brand name that was the issue, it was quality that didn't match past killer-apps as Halo, Final Fantasy.
Contradictory and more than a few frames. But I'm not one to niggle. Regardless it is a problem in Oblivion (see Gametrailer's video review) and I see it will be a problem in GoW where it's more serious.
And at the same time you're saying framerates of explosions won't be an issue?

I'm usually not such a quote whore, but I always feel a need to ... ah, defend myself when someone decides to take the low road.

Perfect Dark was not a smash hit in your days. I was in your days. Mario Kart was a smash hit, Perfect Dark was an underground hit, as was F-Zero.

The xbox 360 has sold 3.2 million units and, unless I am mistaken, I have heard that it is more successful in this time frame than any other console in all time. How would holding back the release a year while waiting for one third party game ever be a good idea?! That is becoming even more ridiculous the more you beg me to consider it.

Microsoft Corp. Chairman Bill Gates said his company's Xbox 360 game console will have a head start by 10 million units over rival Sony Corp.'s PlayStation 3 console, which goes on sale in November.

Gates made his prediction at the Electronic Entertainment Expo in Los Angeles. Microsoft's (NASDAQ: MSFT) Xbox 360 will have a yearlong head start on Sony's console when PlayStation 3 comes out during the upcoming holiday retail season.



So far, the Redmond software giant has sold about 3.2 million Xbox 360 units since the product was introduced last November.
http://www.bizjournals.com/seattle/stories/2006/05/08/daily18.html

As for going to war only if victory is assured - victory is already had at this point. And if that was a good philosophy, then Nintendo should never release a console again. What I'm saying is that the 360 is a wild success. There can be more than one victor here. And I think all 3 systems will be a success, if profit is the means of measurement. If you are saying which console will be the most successful, that would only be known by predictions at this point, but the 360 is already a total success, and the other systems don't even come out for 6.5 months, and while the Wii will have a killer app like Zelda, what will the PS3 have? Maybe, if you were in charge, the PS3 wouldn't come out for almost 2 years when Metal Gear is ready.

I've seen video's of Oblivion running on the Xbox 360, and it runs incredibly well. The frame-rate is smoother on the 360 than on the twin GPU hardware Bethesda used to demo the game before it's release! If you don't believe me, watch those videos. It runs this top-end hardware crippling PC game almost effortlessly, with all the effects, including simultaneous bloom and HDR (which most PC's can't even do) and in a high resolution. Is the 360 hardware invincible? Certainly not, because programmers will use everything available to them, and program it as best they can to make full use of it.

160 great games in stores this holiday season for the 360, while Nintendo and Sony might have a handful of games. Will Sony have a killer app? We already know Nintendo Wii will have Zelda Twighlight Princess, and this is the first time a Zelda game will be a launch title.

I'm usually not such a quote whore, but I always feel a need to ... ah, defend myself when someone decides to take the low road

Just because I think your opinion is horrible about waiting to release the 360 until Gears of War is ready (one year later and 6 months from now) is an incomprehensibly bad idea, and was quick to tell you this, doesn't mean I have 'taken the low road'. Does that mean you think I have dealt a low-blow to your character? I mean no offense to you, no one is right all the time. If you want to continue to defend your opinion than go right ahead, I stand by to defend mine as well.

Bill Gates predicts 10 million Xbox 360 units sold by the time the other systems even hit the shelves, and you would argue that a 10 million unit head start on the other consoles is a bad thing?

The Xbox 360 is available now, and I am thankful that by the time Gears of War comes out, hopefully the price of the 360 will have come down considerably. Another reason I'm glad it came out when it did.

 

[Anthraxxx]

Why does everyone love Gears of War so much? It looks like another average shooter with hyped up graphics.... jeez!

*cough cough* Killzone.... *cough*

 

[Cole]

And I think all 3 systems will be a success, if profit is the means of measurement

If profit is the mean of measurement then Nintendo one the last generation and will win this upcoming generation.
Who makes money off there console!!
Nintendo!!

Who dosn't!! Microsoft and Sony! They get money with licensing fee's. Nintendo gets money from licensing fees and throw in 1st party games where they get full $$ they make a shitload compared to Microsoft and Sony.

The frame-rate is smoother on the 360 than on the twin GPU hardware Bethesda used to demo the game before it's release!

Bethesda used a crappy ****in engine for Oblivion. The same engine they used for Morrowind infact. Why is it crappy?
You could have a wall, then 1,000 NPC's behind the wall. A normal engine would not render the 1,000 NPC's. Oblivion Does. This means when I Look in a direction that has a balcony, some walls, the rooms, etc.. maybe 30 NPC's including the ones infront of me and in the rooms...it's rendering them all. When it should be rendering about the 7 NPC's infront of me the balcony an the walls.Why?
Everything is geometry. There is no Level Data in Oblivion. They make everything in an editor like Max for instance and then import it in as a model. All of Oblivions techniques(I guess not speedtree) are power-hungry. Thats because Bethesda is not an engine making company. They license all-around engines like Gamebyro(spelling?) that are not made for one thing but for well everything. This is also a major reason why buildings have to be loaded. Proper streaming technology could have easily gotton around this.

Oblivion could have ran much faster. Hell thats why it needed to really use more than one core on the 360 and Oblivion should run much faster. Not only on PC but also on the 360. Yes the 360 runs smooth but it's using a lot of it's power and a lot of optimizing techniques. It should have been able to run Oblivion with half the power. Lets say for instance Bethesda would have gone with UE3....there game would run faster.

Hell I'll been next-gen pc games coming may be able to run up to 2x faster than oblivion does. With Proper Streaming Technology, Half-Way-Decent-Not-Crappy-All-Around-Engines, should be able to really bring something to the table graphic wise.

 

[Javert]

Just because I think your opinion is horrible about waiting to release
...
If you want to continue to defend your opinion than go right ahead, I stand by to defend mine as well.

Much better.

However I still feel that the system release was rushed, that only now have they finally gotten a grip (with Vista integration etc.), and that Gears of War should have either been in development earlier or the console release held off later for a closer prox. release, NOT a year.