Microsoft Responds to PS3 specs

Microsoft must be concerned about the PS3 if they had to write a 3 page report as to why their system is more powerful.
 
dream431ca said:
Microsoft must be concerned about the PS3 if they had to write a 3 page report as to why their system is more powerful.
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I disagree. They're just letting ppl know that the PS3 isn't as powerful in comparison to the 360 as Sony would like us to believe.

This e3 has been a very good one for Sony - many ppl have come out believing that the ps3 is by far the most powerful console with little more than a few dodgy vids for proof.

Even the slight backlash against them for being so cheeky is by no means a bad thing. Type pre-rendered into google and see what turns up. Any publicity is good publicity ;)

The same thing happened with the PS2 - Sony make a point of shouting about how their machines will be the most powerful very early and very loudly. It's paid off very well so far.

*remembers how they claimed the PS2 would be the most powerful of all this generation consoles - when infact it was the weakest*
 
Uh ... the PS3 is more powerful than the X-BOX 360. Not only is it clear from viewing the two system specs comparatively, but also from the PS3 videos that were 100% real time compared to those on the 360. That's the reason the PS3 is being realeased considerably later and likely at a higher price, there is probably a bigger gap between the consoles next generation than in the current one.

If you read that propaganda and believe it you're an idiot. You've got to learn how to filter out the bullshit from all the companies, especially MS and Sony. But the truth is the PS3 will almost certainly be more powerful at the cost of a higher price and a later release date.
 
Is there even a point in reading a comparison if its written by sony or microsoft?

I'd still like to see an xbox360 run something at all. At least sony showed something in real time, and what they showed was pretty impressive.
 
Well this is quite interesting. I thought the X-Box 360 and PS3 were almost equal in power but I guess not.
 
I'm not saying the PS3 won't be more powerful - infact you're saying exactly the same thing I am ;) "You've got to learn how to filter out the bullshit from all the companies"

I doubt very much the gap between the next gen consoles will be considerable (just as it wasn't this gen) This isn't what Sony are saying now though is it? All companies bullshit, Sony just really bullshit :)
 
There is much bullshit in that article to make the Xbox 360 seem much better. Though since the Ps3 is coming out in late 2006 and the Xbox 360 is coming out in late 2005 I would think the Ps3 would be faster. Just as the Xbox was faster than the ps2 after coming out so much later.
 
smwScott said:
Uh ... the PS3 is more powerful than the X-BOX 360. Not only is it clear from viewing the two system specs comparatively, but also from the PS3 videos that were 100% real time compared to those on the 360. That's the reason the PS3 is being realeased considerably later and likely at a higher price, there is probably a bigger gap between the consoles next generation than in the current one.

If you read that propaganda and believe it you're an idiot. You've got to learn how to filter out the bullshit from all the companies, especially MS and Sony. But the truth is the PS3 will almost certainly be more powerful at the cost of a higher price and a later release date.
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Heh, I just sort of found this funny.

Two things.

First, Mark Reins said there were only two demos that were running "real-time", and they weren't even running on the PS3! They were running on a computer with dual-SLI nvidia cards, because nvidia hasn't even made that RSX graphics card. The two demos were Fight Night and UE3.

So 2 out of how many, were real-time. The rest were all pre-rendered.

Also, Sony is now saying that the PS3 is Not just a game machine but interesting haven't we heard this before?

So, going back to my quoted post, who's the one who can't "see past the bullshit" and realize that there were only 2 games that were running in "real-time"

I'm not really directing this at you, but just to people in general who don't realize all the hype that was made around the PS3, when there isn't a lot there.

There's no point in talking about things such as graphical capabilities. The best looking engine, UE3, runs on both, and there is no difference between the two systems that are running it.

I wouldn't trust any numbers, whether they be from Microsoft or Sony. As the Nintendo guy said, those are just numbers made by some guy with a calculator. The real test is the games. He made a good point. He said that they barely even mentioned the specs of the Nintendo DS and it sold well. People didn't care about the specs, just that it ran everything very nice :) So ignore all these TFLOPS, BW, and lolipops, and just wait until we get our hands on them to try them for ourselves ;)
 
Idonotbelonghere said:
Imo, both systems are kind of disapointing (especially in looks), and Im starting to think more about buying a new PC rig instead...
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I agree with you. I just wish I had the money to get a nice PC.
 
Sony said that the Killzone 2 footage was real. They have confirmed this many times and the Xbox 360 could NEVER render such graphics and what about the Spiderman 2 scenes? How are you going to say those are fake and did you guys not notice that they where using the PS2 controller to show off the tech demos and such? Most of you are kissing Microsoft's behind. PS3 ownaged the Xbox 360. GET OVER IT!!!
 
I bet the Xbox 360 will better utilize their system when released. The PS3 I bet will have to be out for some time before games start to really take advantage of it's parallel nature. I don't think the PS3 will slow down in gfx like the PS2 did but lets just say it will take a lot more time and programing to take advantage of the PS3's design than the Xbox360. And we really don't know how far parallelizem will take them. After all 1 strong CPU is better than 2 cores on a non-multithreaded game.

Synthetic numbers will probably show the PS3 ahead because there is so much parallel power in the PS3 but what really matters is how programers can capitalize on each of these systems.
 
My question is: Why do you guys care?

Do you sponsor these consoles? Do they have emotional value to you? Then why do you defend one or the other?

Useless...
 
Kschreck said:
Sony said that the Killzone 2 footage was real. They have confirmed this many times and the Xbox 360 could NEVER render such graphics and what about the Spiderman 2 scenes? How are you going to say those are fake and did you guys not notice that they where using the PS2 controller to show off the tech demos and such? Most of you are kissing Microsoft's behind. PS3 ownaged the Xbox 360. GET OVER IT!!!
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Hmm, let's see. Sony did say they said the footage was real. Why? They want everything to think their system is the best. How come the developers of Killzone didn't say it was real-time? They simply said in an interview, that the footage shown is what the game SHOULD looke like. Last I checked, that meant it wasn't real-time. Mark Reins (the guy behind UT2007) confirmed that as well. Sure, it was probably using assets for the game, but the rendering is what it's all about. You need to actually take a look at it, and judge for yourself, do not let Sony say something and take it as fact, when people who aren't depending on the PS3 for a pay check say something completely different, and multiple people back it up.

Oh and yea I'm sorry, I did forget to say that the tech demos were obviously real-time as well :p

Wait, what's that? They were using PS2 controllers to do the demos, and not the PS3 controllers? Hm, it would only seem smart for them to do that, to try and make everything think that they are using PS3 hardware to show off Fight Night and UE3, when you can get a PS2 -> USB adapter (for example here )

Kschreck: What about that spiderman/game video? That wasn't real time, so it doesn't matter to me. It was just a fancy video that combined some game footage with the movie. Nothing professional video editors couldn't handle. I never said they were fake. I was saying they weren't real-time.

And you say we're kissing M$'s butt? No my friend, you seem to enjoy Sony's cup of tea a little too much.

TheSomeone: Nah I really don't care about all these specs. One thing that does urk me is when people jump to conclusions, and don't look through all these smoke and mirrors that is marketing, and actually look at what they brought to the table. Just trying to show the facts, so people don't get the wrong impressions. I'm not a Sony Hater, a M$ fan boy, or a Nintendo Dream Guy. I'm fairly even on all fields on which I like the most. It's just I can't stand at all when people just going off on how "This is better than that", when they don't realize the truth of the matter.

Another truth is that supposedly the X360's at the show floor which were "playable" were actually just Mac's running beneath the tables, and not the consoles. Nobody can confirm or deny that now, but that was rumored.

Asus: True, that is another thing, the programming. Now, at the conference they had Tim Sweeney talk about the wonders of programming with Cell and they showed off the demo real-time. He later said in an interview they barely got into the cell, and only used one of those cells if I remember right. Now this brings up two points.

First, if the graphics card wasn't even made, then the PS3 wasn't finished, so were they even running this thing with a Cell processor, or just a normal PC? I believe it is a normal PC as nvidia has said (Top of the line dual-SLI, which means 2 cards).

Second, if they haven't even dug into the project yet and actually tried to use the Cell, how could they even tell you how easy/hard it is to program on? Right now they are just treating it as a single CPU, and not as the Cell which it is supposed to be. This means that once you actually get all 7 (yup, 7, Sony said something like 7 will be open for the PS3 version and one will be locked or something. I can't remember any details, so could someone fill me in please) cells working, it could be a bitch and a half to work with. Hell, Sweeney said he hates working with a Dual-Threaded CPU's (like 2 threads at once), but now he has 8 to deal with? Hm. Is this Tim talking, or Sony talking through Tim?

I should become some sort of detective or something :cheers:

BTW, I don't mean to offend anyone! I know it may sound like that with my aggressive writing but oh well, I don't mean to offend, but just get the facts out there.
 
I guess you guys forget that all the demos for x360 from E3 that were open to the Press were running on 2 Apple G5's....
-.-

So really, both Sony and MS faked out E3, so who cares?
 
Iced_Eagle said:
Second, if they haven't even dug into the project yet and actually tried to use the Cell, how could they even tell you how easy/hard it is to program on? Right now they are just treating it as a single CPU, and not as the Cell which it is supposed to be. This means that once you actually get all 7 (yup, 7, Sony said something like 7 will be open for the PS3 version and one will be locked or something. I can't remember any details, so could someone fill me in please) cells working, it could be a bitch and a half to work with. Hell, Sweeney said he hates working with a Dual-Threaded CPU's (like 2 threads at once), but now he has 8 to deal with? Hm. Is this Tim talking, or Sony talking through Tim?
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Well he's also going to hate the Xbox 360's CPU... because it has 3 dual-threaded cores (meaning 6 threads at once), IIRC. The difference between the consoles is that Microsoft is going with a unified architecture approach to the CPU and GPU while Sony is taking the idea of specialized pipelines from traditional GPUs and applying it to a multi-cored CPU. The Microsoft idea is most effective in odd situations like using almost the entire CPU or GPU for one purpose... because, in those situations, there are more cores/pipelines that can do the work. The system works in favor of Sony if the work load is balanced (relative to the specialization of the chips) because Microsoft is at somewhat of a disadvantage because the more versatile cores/pipelines are slower than specialized cores/pipelines.

Let's say Sony has an assembly line of workers that specialize in certain types of actions... and Microsoft has the same number of workers but they can all made the product from start to finish. If you want to produce the most complete products Sony wins because the assembly line is more efficient for the balanced work load. If for some reason they both need to manufacture a bunch of only one or two of the parts... Microsoft's system where every worker knows how to make that part would beat the **** out of Sony's system where one person along the assembly line would be stuck making all of those parts.

In the long run, the different approaches should probably be about equal in effectiveness.
 
im just gunna add NOS and turbo to my gamecube and blow past the ps3 an 360 :cool:
 
Playstation - I now wear the pants!
Microsoft - Im still the king! Give me those pants!
Playstation - Make me you three dollar whore!
Nintendo - Please! Stop fighting! ;(
 
dream431ca said:
Microsoft must be concerned about the PS3 if they had to write a 3 page report as to why their system is more powerful.
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obviously they're concerned, xbox (ms) is #2 and ps (sony) is #1, according to marketshare.

i think you would be concerned too.

also, the 'playstation father' recently insulted microsoft and the xbox360 in an interview, maybe he's concerned too ?
 
Nintendo.

Reggie > Allard and that bald english guy from sony.
 
Xbox 360 = PC
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Actually the Design of the Xbox 360 is quite diffrent from a PC. Now the xbox well... can run linux ^_^ so hell you can make it into a pc!
 
TrippyG said:
Xbox 360 = PC
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That's what many people said about the Xbox - and they were completely wrong. The Xbox plays and feels as much like a console as the PS2 and GC do. I very much dubt the 360 will be any different.
 
Sony said that the Killzone 2 footage was real.
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......

First, Mark Reins said there were only two demos that were running "real-time", and they weren't even running on the PS3! They were running on a computer with dual-SLI nvidia cards, because nvidia hasn't even made that RSX graphics card. The two demos were Fight Night and UE3.
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Kschreck said:
Sony said that the Killzone 2 footage was real. They have confirmed this many times and the Xbox 360 could NEVER render such graphics and what about the Spiderman 2 scenes? How are you going to say those are fake and did you guys not notice that they where using the PS2 controller to show off the tech demos and such? Most of you are kissing Microsoft's behind. PS3 ownaged the Xbox 360. GET OVER IT!!!
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Of course it was real - Sony said it was ;)

As for the guy using the controllers - look at the vids and tell me he's actually controlling the games. Real time my ass.

You're proof that Sony's bullshitting pays off my friend.

Now Microsoft are playing catch up, and lowering themselves into the spec war.

And then there's Nintendo, with modest, believable claims. 3 times more powerful than the GC will do just fine - and will be able to compete with the 360 and ps3. They let their games do the talking. (it's a shame Sony and Microsoft dont do the same - fantastic titles appear on all the console, there's no need for all this crap)
 
The XBox 360 is more like an Apple Mac now, which is ironic considering it's Microsoft we're talking about here (as proved by the fact that Microsoft were actually running their demos on Apple Mac G5's).

I'm sure Sony could come out with a load of rhetoric and big numbers to suggest why the PS3 is twice as powerful as the XBox 360, but it's probably best if you don't listen to either company until the consoles are released.

It's not as if Microsoft is a morally superior company to Sony.
 
Minerel said:
Actually the Design of the Xbox 360 is quite diffrent from a PC. Now the xbox well... can run linux ^_^ so hell you can make it into a pc!
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The PS2 can run Linux too, atleast if it's modified.:p
 
The PS2 doesn't need to be modified to run Linux, it already can. Sony released a Linux dev kit (bundled with a hard drive) for the PS2 about a year or so after it came out.
 
destrukt said:
obviously they're concerned, xbox (ms) is #2 and ps (sony) is #1, according to marketshare.

i think you would be concerned too.

also, the 'playstation father' recently insulted microsoft and the xbox360 in an interview, maybe he's concerned too ?
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He would be concerned..probably because the Xbox 360 is coming out around 6-8 months before the PS3. I have a feeling that when the Xbox 360 comes out, sony will respond with their own little report.
 
Even if there was a major difference between the power of these new consoles it probably wouldn't matter much in the end if you think about it.

What was the most powerful current gen console? The Xbox
What was the weakest current gen console? The PS2
Which was the winner of the current gen wars? The PS2

Nintendo really is 100% correct even though hardcore Microsoft and Sony fans seem to disagree all the time. More power doesn't mean a better console.
 
To the people that said I was an idiot because there was only 2 real time games shown by the PS3, I'm saying they were more impressive than anything I saw on X-BOX. Fight Night 3 was very impressive, and the UT2k7 demo was thrown together in 2 months and supposedly barely even used the Cell procressor, according to one of the guys from Epic (side note: the X-BOX 360 game "Gears of War" supposedly required heavy optimization and still has some framerate issues). Also, the tech demos are also very impressive but the reason I didn't bring those up is because I know it's unreasonable to expect that level of graphics in an actual gameplay environment, at least not until later in the consoles life.

And to you guys pointing out that the real time demos weren't run on an actual PS3, you're right. Also, the X-BOX 360 games were run on an Apple G5, just so you know. Neither of the consoles are complete yet, so obviously they can't just plug it in and start playing games on them. However, those are the same games you're going to see running on the next gen hardware, so I don't see the problem.

I'm just trying to be rational here, honestly I'm going to wait until they're all out and then choose the best one, so I don't care too much which one ends up being better. That being said, it looks like the PS3 will be more powerful and therefore will produce better looking games. Also, judging from what I've seen there's a bigger leap between PS3 and X-BOX 360 than X-BOX and PS2. I also believe that PS3 will have better games (namely MGS4, other than that I haven't seen a must-have title for either system). However, the main reason I don't want to buy an X-BOX 360 is because of the Live plan and content released incrementally for a fee (ie. I think we're going to start to see a bunch of "The Sims" situations where developers leave stuff out so they can sell it for extra later).

Go ahead and call me a fanboy for having an opinion, I don't really care. And just for the record in about a year when they're all out, I may very well end up buying an X-BOX 360, it's just that I doubt it.
 
smwScott said:
To the people that said I was an idiot because there was only 2 real time games shown by the PS3, I'm saying they were more impressive than anything I saw on X-BOX. Fight Night 3 was very impressive, and the UT2k7 demo was thrown together in 2 months and supposedly barely even used the Cell procressor, according to one of the guys from Epic (side note: the X-BOX 360 game "Gears of War" supposedly required heavy optimization and still has some framerate issues). Also, the tech demos are also very impressive but the reason I didn't bring those up is because I know it's unreasonable to expect that level of graphics in an actual gameplay environment, at least not until later in the consoles life.

And to you guys pointing out that the real time demos weren't run on an actual PS3, you're right. Also, the X-BOX 360 games were run on an Apple G5, just so you know. Neither of the consoles are complete yet, so obviously they can't just plug it in and start playing games on them. However, those are the same games you're going to see running on the next gen hardware, so I don't see the problem.

I'm just trying to be rational here, honestly I'm going to wait until they're all out and then choose the best one, so I don't care too much which one ends up being better. That being said, it looks like the PS3 will be more powerful and therefore will produce better looking games. Also, judging from what I've seen there's a bigger leap between PS3 and X-BOX 360 than X-BOX and PS2. I also believe that PS3 will have better games (namely MGS4, other than that I haven't seen a must-have title for either system). However, the main reason I don't want to buy an X-BOX 360 is because of the Live plan and content released incrementally for a fee (ie. I think we're going to start to see a bunch of "The Sims" situations where developers leave stuff out so they can sell it for extra later).

Go ahead and call me a fanboy for having an opinion, I don't really care. And just for the record in about a year when they're all out, I may very well end up buying an X-BOX 360, it's just that I doubt it.
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Bah, you're not a fanboy for having in opinion... You're a fanboy because there seems to be a certain bias toward a particular console in the posts about the next-gen console that you make. And then you try to de-fanboy yourself, but you really don't need to. I say you stick to your guns and be as fanboy as possible. I'd probably be a fanboy(M$) if it wasn't for that fact that both consoles(not counting Revolution) aren't finished yet. I'll make up my mind when both are out and have games that can be played...


edit: BEER CAN!! <-- be a true jamaican, this is how you are supposed to say bacon :p
 
At the end of the day, each company is going to bullshit and shot the odds about their system's specs until they release the consoles.

Each website I've visited I've either seen "Xbox is better because..." or "PS3 is more powerful because..."
 
your vacuum can run linux too, if you modify it .. so get over the xbox pc thing, really.

as most of you would know, the xbox360 demo's ran on 2 g5's which required the developers to dramatically decrease the visual quality and effects .. dwell on that for a few moments.

and the 'playstation father' said microsoft is going to 'lose' and that xbox360 should be xbox 1.5 because all they've done is increase the hardware, and that's all they've focused on .. yes, and sony and other developers aren't obsessed with the magically cell processor ? also, xbox360 is alot more than just better hardware, it has massive multimedia support, all the ps3 has new is better graphics, bluetooth controllers and a few other good things like that, which are standard for the next-gen consoles.

mortiz said:
The XBox 360 is more like an Apple Mac now, which is ironic considering it's Microsoft we're talking about here (as proved by the fact that Microsoft were actually running their demos on Apple Mac G5's).
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how ? because the demo's ran on 2 g5's .. wow, sooo much like a apple mac lolol

mortiz said:
It's not as if Microsoft is a morally superior company to Sony.
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lol, what the hell ?
 
I'm personally rooting for the Revolution. I don't care about systems specs all I want is fun games like mario 64 and Zelda: OoT.
 
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