mindtwisters

[Dedalus]

Lil' Timmy: and you missed that earlier? did you read my posts properly or was it selective?

MrD: deal.

 

[Lil' Timmy]

Originally posted by Dedalus
how did einstein prove his theories???? any takers??

i don't believe einstein did any experiments/observations, but other's did:

http://www.astronomynotes.com/relativity/s4.htm

edit: dedalus, did you catch my added emphasis to certain words in your text? it looks to me like you may be contradicting yourself.

 

[Lil' Timmy]

haha, woops.. BALETED!

 

[Dedalus]

Originally posted by Dedalus
you've completely missed the point. i said "a lot of the theories that you guys have are wrong." and you decided to completely ignore the sentence after it which was "well not so much wrong but old." i then went on to direct you to the string theory website, which is, as it happens, the closest we have come to a 'theory of everything'.

i posted this a while back, you just decided to ignore it.

 

[Dedalus]

when i say "you can't say", i'm referring to MrD, not myself. get that straight. it's not a contradiction on my own theories.

 

[Lil' Timmy]

no no this is the kind of statement i'm taking umbrage with:

"if something is proven mathematically, then lo and behold...that's how something is!! simple as that."

my point: unless you can experimentally verify it, it is not proven.

 

[Dedalus]

point noted but one thing i want to draw your attention to is history. history has shown that whenever something has been proven mathematically, the resulting experiments verify the theory to be true. and it's had pretty much a 100% success rate unless i'm missing some major theory.

 

[MrD]

Originally posted by Lil' Timmy
my point: unless you can experimentally verify it, it is not proven.

Nothing is ever "proven".

hehe isn't this fun

 

[Lil' Timmy]

mathematics is only as good as the experiments that can test it. newtonian, relativistic, and quantum mechanical physics were all mathmematically "proven" at some point, only to be superceded later down the road.

 

[MrD]

Originally posted by Dedalus
point noted but one thing i want to draw your attention to is history. history has shown that whenever something has been proven mathematically, the resulting experiments verify the theory to be true. and it's had pretty much a 100% success rate unless i'm missing some major theory.

special relativity broke old stuff like s=d/t
general relativity broke special relativity

When i say "broke" i mean "showed it wasn't true for all possible scenarios". I think this will turn out true for String Theory, eventually there will be something better.

As there will probably always be

 

[Dedalus]

if you've done maths and physics at school then you'll know the difference between proving something and verifying something. when you prove something mathematically, that's it, you've proven it. the only thing left to do is to verify your theory. notice the difference? so if you want to nitpick about wording, then i've worded my arguments correctly using 'prove'.

 

[Lil' Timmy]

Originally posted by MrD
Nothing is ever "proven".

hehe isn't this fun

have i been spelling that wrong all this time?

 

[Lil' Timmy]

Originally posted by Dedalus
if you've done maths and physics at school then you'll know the difference between proving something and verifying something. when you prove something mathematically, that's it, you've proven it. the only thing left to do is to verify your theory. notice the difference? so if you want to nitpick about wording, then i've worded my arguments correctly using 'prove'.

yeah, i've done a little.. but i'm done with this argument, let me know when they've tested string theory.. k? thx.

 

[Dedalus]

yeah i said i was done a while ago but it's too addictive.

he'll be back........

 

[Lil' Timmy]

and another thing!! oh wait..

 

[MrD]

Originally posted by Lil' Timmy
have i been spelling that wrong all this time?

... ?