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"Since this seems like the most pertinent place to post this, here goes: The new Mods are asses (at least, I think they're new. Haven't seen them around and if they have been, I've just noticed them); specifically CrazyHarij and Pi Mu Rho. This is mostly in response to their comments made in the "Incoming Source" news comments. While I really don't care about the mod, looks nice, whatever, their comments were completely unprofessional, very immature, and sophomoric for a moderator. I respect this sight a lot and specifically I respect Chris_D the most. He runs a very professional well done site and when I see moderators act with this asinine behavior it makes me mad because I really love this site. I may not have a million posts but I've been registered since the days of yore. I've given input where I've thought it has been needed and this is such a moment. I seriously hope that something is done about the Mod's actions because it's ridiculous that they could get away with this conduct.

P.S. This is a serious post so please take it seriously."


This was a post I tried to make in the site feedback section. However I couldn't. Why? I was banned (though temporarly). I made some unflattering comments about CrazyHarij because of the way he acted. Here's the message I got:

You have been banned for the following reason:
Whether you agree with Harij's comments or not, it doesn't warrant the abusive comments you made. Ironic huh? See you in 7 days.

Date the ban will be lifted: 03-11-2005


Nice huh? I'm not really sure who I was supposed to contact about this since I can't make any comments in the forum. This is really bothersome and I hope I get a reply very soon. I respect the sight a lot but I do not like being treated like a child. I find the way the mods were acting was very immature and I let them know. Whether I called him names shouldn't matter. I was mad because of the way they treated others' opinions.

*NOTE: Yeah, I made another account. So sue me or ban me again, whatever. I just want to let you know I don't appreciate this treatment. :flame: <---- ME!
 
First of all, I'm not a new moderator.
Also, I didn't make any comments about Incoming:Source other than "It's Halo", a rebuttal about Zombie mods, and a comment about Praz's remark. So offensive.

Secondly, you berated Crazyharij for his comments - that's fine. But the way you did it, in an abuse-laden, profanity-ridden post? Not acceptable. As a long-term member, you ought to know that by now.

Thirdly - Duplicate accounts are not permitted and warrant a permanent ban. Bye.
 
Whatever. Fine, I jumped the gun with your comments. I should have refrained from using your name (and for that, I apologize). However, I still don't agree with a) his comments, b) the actions taken, c) abusing power. Yeah, he can have comments, but as a moderator he's representing this site, and when a mod says something stupid (and yeah, they were stupid!) and acts unprofessionally he should expect harsh comments. I'm pretty sure I don't see people being thrown in prison or being fined for saying the President is an idiot and worse. While this is obviously not a democracy or the USA, it's the principle that's important. I don't apologize for what I said. He deserved those comments. Thus my ban was not justified at all. It was just because he's a moderator.

Good day. Ban away!!!! :sniper:
 
ThrasherX9000 said:
and specifically I respect Chris_D the most. He runs a very professional well done site
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hah !
 
Give_me_a_break said:
Whatever. Fine, I jumped the gun with your comments. I should have refrained from using your name (and for that, I apologize). However, I still don't agree with a) his comments, b) the actions taken, c) abusing power. Yeah, he can have comments, but as a moderator he's representing this site, and when a mod says something stupid (and yeah, they were stupid!) and acts unprofessionally he should expect harsh comments. I'm pretty sure I don't see people being thrown in prison or being fined for saying the President is an idiot and worse. While this is obviously not a democracy or the USA, it's the principle that's important. I don't apologize for what I said. He deserved those comments. Thus my ban was not justified at all. It was just because he's a moderator.

Good day. Ban away!!!! :sniper:
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Way to ignore what I said.
You didn't get banned for criticising Harij. You got banned for the way in which you did it. Simple to understand.
 
MODERATOR GRUDGE!
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EDIT: Oh yes. If you really do have a problem then why don't you try emailing Chris_D? Or anyone else involved with this website? Not to mention the fact that while I didn't entirely support Harij in that thread, there were some very unnecessarya nd inflamatory comments being made against him.
 
Busted Deeming!

Give_me_a_break said:
However, I still don't agree with a) his comments, b) the actions taken, c) abusing power.
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a) So you disagree with his opinion on the mod, right ok...so thats no allowed? a disagreement. Please...learn to take to take it, he was no where near as bad as you paint him to be in this instance, with that so called 'attack' on the mod.

b) Actions were taken as the mods explained, the manor in which you replied to him was wrong.

c) Where? You broke a rule set here and you were punished for it. Simple as.

Just because Harij is a moderator doesn't mean anything. He may be a representative of the site, but he's still holds an opinion, which he voiced.

I don't know why this mod team has come to this site acting so high and mighty as if we owe them something, this mod isn't for everyone. The fact your having to defend your work to this kind of level should be the first sign theres something not right there. This huge community that sees the countless mod updates weekly, the people here talk from experience (except the stereotype cs player you are making us sound like).

How about the professional mod team you are start addressing these issues, rather than getting all high and mightly looking down your nose at people because you think you've earnt status in developing a mod. Doesn't rub with me.

Anyone up for a game of Halo?
 
If you have a problem with a member of staff, email me!

I'll be sure to file it in "Deleted Items" for further investigation :p
 
Anyone up for a game of Halo?
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I would be. :naughty:

I'd like to add that the fact that apparently the entire mod team and/or their supporters turned up to start flaming everybody isn't counting well in your favour. People are going to criticise you - accept it and don't start mouthing off about 'the staff on this site'. Please note the first salvo was fired by Patton - who said, if I remember correctly, 'this site will hire any retard'.

If he's not part of your team then I don't see why you felt the need to descend to the level of the flamers. If he is, you need to control your own people and stop them making remarks like that. Harij's post was harsh but then he's always like that and at the end of the day he's allowed to think what he thinks. :dozey:
 
I honestly don't understand why you're taking my personal opinions as "the hl2.net mods being assholes". Believe it or not, I'm an individual with individual opinions and don't like, nor deserve to be treated differently because of an unrelevant reason.

I'm absolutely positive not everyone agreed with me, but people acted as if just because I'm part of the site I should coat every word in sugar and didn't even respond accordingly to my queries and claims, but instead claimed i somehow represent HL2.net or the moderators with my opinions.

I'm not a faceless authority entity, I'm not at all different than anyone else here, I'm not able to abuse the site tools for some egotistical purpose, so why are you acting like I am?
If it really matters that much, I'd be happy to resign.
 
CrazyHarij said:
I honestly don't understand why you're taking my personal opinions as "the hl2.net mods being assholes". Believe it or not, I'm an individual with individual opinions and don't like, nor deserve to be treated differently because of an unrelevant reason.

I'm absolutely positive not everyone agreed with me, but people acted as if just because I'm part of the site I should coat every word in sugar and didn't even respond accordingly to my queries and claims, but instead claimed i somehow represent HL2.net or the moderators with my opinions.

I'm not a faceless authority entity, I'm not at all different than anyone else here, I'm not able to abuse the site tools for some egotistical purpose, so why are you acting like I am?
If it really matters that much, I'd be happy to resign.
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Absolutely no need. You acted appropriately.
 
CrazyHarij said:
I honestly don't understand why you're taking my personal opinions as "the hl2.net mods being assholes". Believe it or not, I'm an individual with individual opinions and don't like, nor deserve to be treated differently because of an unrelevant reason.

I'm absolutely positive not everyone agreed with me, but people acted as if just because I'm part of the site I should coat every word in sugar and didn't even respond accordingly to my queries and claims, but instead claimed i somehow represent HL2.net or the moderators with my opinions.

I'm not a faceless authority entity, I'm not at all different than anyone else here, I'm not able to abuse the site tools for some egotistical purpose, so why are you acting like I am?
If it really matters that much, I'd be happy to resign.
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Noes don't resign :(
Maybe you can be lured back with some hawt Sulkdodds action :naughty:
 
If I read the thread correctly, most of the flack came because Harij made a comment about his percieved lack of originality in reusing Halo concepts in Incoming: Source, which made a lot of people lash back. Since I call Harij a good friend of mine, I defended him, as did a number of other people. Things then went loopy, with people one-upping each other.

Harij really wasn't in the wrong. He's still a Swedish hero.

-Angry Lawyer
 
Pass. I'm crying a river. Hopefully I'll drown some ass wipe members in the process
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I'm sorry but I just came to this forum for the first time since I joined HL2.net back in December. I've never felt the need to criticise anything about how this gig is run because until today I've seen it as a breath of fresh air amongst other HL communities like HLSource and their ilk.

I was disappointed today. Disappointed with the representatives of the I:Source team and disappointed with HL2.net

It was a perfect example of how not to Mod a news thread (or any thread for that matter). A simple warning from a Mod would have sufficed for anyone using derogatory language and provided enough cause for a later ban. As it happens I saw a severe lack of authority in that thread from the many HL2.net staff that visited it (that is to say, those who had the power to Moderate it).

CrazyHarij behaved badly in that thread. He showed a lack of restraint and respect and should have behaved more professionally, regardless of people baiting him. It would have been fine if he had justified his opinion (and his right to one), but attacking not only the community member who baited him but also very many HL2.net members in the process (1) is not what I or any of the community expect to see from Moderators. There are also less aggressive ways to give opinion, and the way that he put his ideas across were insensitive and just as baitworthy as those which provoked him in the first place.

I wouldn't say this is grounds for anyone to ask for resignation, it all depends if you're able to learn from your mistakes and improve your approach to the position of trust and authority you've been given. If you can then you deserve to be a Mod. If you can't control your own actions, if you can't uphold HL2.net's good reputation, if you can't act responsibly then you should resign from the position.

What's sadder still is that no Mod was able to bring a sense of authority to the thread and get it back on topic. None of your members want to read trashy threads like that, if we did we'd go straight to HLSource and the "House of Flames" forum. I expect certain standards to be upheld on these Forums, failing that I and every other member who feels the same way will be moving to a Forum that treats us like adults.

Now I have not PM'd this message because I feel that public discussion of this might restore my (our?) confidence in the HL2.net admins. Right now I'm not sure whether I should be disappointed in the one or the whole.

(1) "I don't see much difference between the fan-art and the inhouse concept art. Same design, still awful and not particularly useful. But I guess that's the curse for most amateur mod projects, being stuck with poor design artists and team leaders, for instance. I don't think I've ever seen a HL2 mod team leader that isn't an utter douchebag." - what tact!
 
Crispy tends to make good points, and I think this was one. While I don't think the action on behalf of the staff was unwarranted, I do think that we would do well to perhaps act a bit more professional. Being a moderator means you have to be more mature than normal members. I am as guilty of this as anyone in this thread.
 
I'm not a moderator so lawlz lawlz lawlz lawlz

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Sorry ;(

Oh, and I agree with Ennui. Although the times you guys didn't seem professional consists of a one-digit number.
 
Crispy said:
I don't think I've ever seen a HL2 mod team leader that isn't an utter douchebag." - what tact
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Maybe I should've clarified; I haven't met a HL2 mod team leader that isn't an utter douchebag. I haven't met any team leader outside of applying as a concept artist for a certain team, and in every single case i've been forced to eventually quit the position because of the team leader's overinflated ego and poor organisation skills. This has left me with quite a bit of bias in cases like this.

I don't understand why you need to have every opinion served in tiny fluff pieces. There's a lot of difference between a somewhat blunt statement and outright flaming. Usually it's whether there's a basis upon which the statement/opinion is formed, which is affected by the individual's past experiences.

I should probably apologize for some of the things of what I said, as the blunt fashion in which it was carried out seemed to have a much bigger impact than expected, but at the same time I can't quite figure out why people, even those who aren't affiliated at all with the group I aimed most of my arguments at, take it all so seriously.

Crispy mentions me making outright attacks on individuals, whereas I honestly can't see or remember any point where I did that.

In case I need to repeat myself once again, I never intented anything to be the word of anyone but my personal opinion on the matter.

I'm passionately engaged in matters like this, Beerdude suggested in another thread that I "hate unoriginality", which is actually pretty spot on. Partly, it's because every man is the most aggrivated by the things he sees that he has in himself, in my case I constantly struggle against personal unoriginality when it comes to drawing and music, and thus react heavily when I see instances of it.

In art forums like Conceptart.org, where I usually go when I surf the internet, a post about this mod would've been picked apart as if by vultures by the professionals and experienced members of various fields in the entertainment industry. The forum is incredibly mature and friendly, but this is the way criticism works in these fields and it has to be to help people correct their mistakes as effectively as possible. The only people who dislike this and even create flamewars because of this are the ones who only want others to stroke their ego and shower them with completely unjustified compliments.

You may say that this is a forum focused on slightly different matters and thereby this attitude shouldn't be allowed here, yet mods are some of the most creative fields of interest out there, and in my opinion creativity should be encouraged as much as possible, while unoriginality should be shunned like the plague.

I disagree with those saying you should treat every mod team with utmost respect simply because they put effort in something, because in my opinion and what I have experienced from life, you're not rewarded for effort; you're rewarded for good effort.
 
Crispy is right, a warning should have been given.

Harij, you're opinons on art and modding have nothing to do with how harsh you should punish a flamer. Flamers get warned. You banned him outright. Hell, he wasn't even a true flamer. The guy was just a bit defensive.

It's extremely hard to believe that his over-punishment had nothing to do with the fact that you do not like the way he acted. No offence.
 
vegeta897 said:
Harij, you're opinons on art and modding have nothing to do with how harsh you should punish a flamer. Flamers get warned. You banned him outright. Hell, he wasn't even a true flamer. The guy was just a bit defensive.
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Jesus christ, shut the **** up.
 
vegeta you've shown in the past you can deal with your own emotions on the subject so, please.
 
vegeta897 said:
It's extremely hard to believe that his over-punishment had nothing to do with the fact that you do not like the way he acted. No offence.
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Don't worry, none taken. I banned him after his posts directed against other members and some public comments on IRC, which to me made it pretty obvious that this guy just wasn't going to be a decent addition to this forum.

However, if you feel you are more experienced and educated on this matter, I could request for him to be unbanned, of course only if you don't think you ought to do it yourself.
 
For God's sake, it's not even funny anymore. Every single comment I make that has to do with moderating or someone who was banned, you guys instantly think I'm trying act like I know everything about moderating. Seriously, every other person in this thread posted their opinion on the ban and only MINE was treated like this. I'm not going to go through this lecture again. You guys need to grow up. Talk about being hypocritical.

It's just my opinion on the matter. Everyone has one. Why is mine different? Not only that, but why do you have to bring it to a personal level?

And here's some more of my opinion. If the guy was banned for flaming, how about you ban Disturbed over there. I couldn't count on my fingers alone how many times he's outright flamed me with nothing else useful in his post. Why? Here's what I think. Because he has special treatment, because he is on your side of the argument, because he's your friend. It's a heaping load of biased BS, is what it is.
 
vegeta897 said:
And here's some more of my opinion. If the guy was banned for flaming, how about you ban Disturbed over there. I couldn't count on my fingers alone how many times he's outright flamed me with nothing else useful in his post. Why? Here's what I think. Because he has special treatment, because he is on your side of the argument, because he's your friend. It's a heaping load of biased BS, is what it is.
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Who's your, hmmm? I assume, the moderators. But you never know where this is leading.
 
I was going to make a long post about my opinions of the moderator actions, the actions of the members and the actions of the mod team. I've decided I'm no longer going to make these because I'm ****ing fed up of hearing about the subject. I think my post in the last thread sums it up nicely:

All this Zombie Master vs Incoming Source vs moderators vs members shit will stop now. Any more of these threads will likely end up in a break away from these forums.

What's happened has happened so discussion over. If you have any complaints about the staff at Halflife2.net, please e-mail [email protected] and we'll deal with the query. If you have any concerns about a modification then please privately contact a member of that particular mod. This is starting to get out of hand.

Case closed.
 
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