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[NeptuneUK]

Why not?

Why should one person be forced to live a life of poverty whilst another gets free education health care and plenty of care and opportunity for success because of where they were born.

It's not in our power to change this. Don't try.
It's not the UK's responsibility to solve the world's problems.

 

[Solaris]

It's not in our power to change this. Don't try.
It's not the UK's responsibility to solve the world's problems.

The wealfare of mankind is everyones responsibility.

 

[Gray Fox]

Why not?

Why should one person be forced to live a life of poverty whilst another gets free education health care and plenty of care and opportunity for success because of where they were born.

We get that because our predecessors worked hard for it, build our country's, elected the right leaders, so we could have a nice life. Thats why we get to live nice lives and they do not. Just letting everyone in, is not going to make the world better for them, it will just make it worse for us.

 

[Absinthe]

It's not the UK's responsibility to solve the world's problems.

Bingo.

I'm not British, so perhaps my I'm somewhat misplaced in this topic. But it is not the duty of any nation to take all the sick and poor immigrants under their wing. Obviously, that can be shitty. But that's life. Wear a helmet.

 

[ríomhaire]

Why not?

Why should one person be forced to live a life of poverty whilst another gets free education health care and plenty of care and opportunity for success because of where they were born.

Because that's the way the world works and any developed country who opens the floodgates and leave all immagrents in and tries to give them free health care, education etc will go to shit very quickly.

 

[99.vikram]

I bet vikram would soon change his mind if white ghettos starting springing up all over Bangalore, where national traditions are ignored, there isn't a single Indian person to be seen and there are Christmas lights instead of Diwali lights everywhere. i.e. Wembley in reverse.

ehh, WRONG. I've lived in Hyderabad where our locality was almost 100% muslim. And you know what, it didn't f*cking matter. People in a country can celebrate different festivals and still share a common bond, but apparently where you live that's an alien concept.

Earlier you said that my country was insular. I accept that we are distrusting of western culture (maybe memories of the imperialist days), but we are FAR more accepting of sub-cultures in society, from what I've seen. There are occasional riots and friction here and there, but minorities have a much stronger political voice here than in the UK. If a right was stripped from any minority group today, the majority of political groups and NGOs would be up in arms about it (mainly because of vote bank politics, but whatever).

I can tell you right now that immigrants from the West to the East face far more discrimination and social isolation than vice versa

Social isolation maybe, but not discrimination.

And it ain't a pretty place.

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
You say multiculturalism is ugly, I say it's one step closer to humans understanding each other.

 

[repiV]

ehh, WRONG. I've lived in Hyderabad where our locality was almost 100% muslim. And you know what, it didn't f*cking matter. People in a country can celebrate different festivals and still share a common bond, but apparently where you live that's an alien concept.

It's not about celebrating different festivals, it's about culture, ideology and outlook.

Earlier you said that my country was insular. I accept that we are distrusting of western culture (maybe memories of the imperialist days), but we are FAR more accepting of sub-cultures in society, from what I've seen. There are occasional riots and friction here and there, but minorities have a much stronger political voice here than in the UK. If a right was stripped from any minority group today, the majority of political groups and NGOs would be up in arms about it (mainly because of vote bank politics, but whatever).

WTF? What rights are minority groups lacking in the UK?
Such complete and utter ignorance of the situation here - which goes back to the subject of you not being qualified to comment on what it's like to live here.

Social isolation maybe, but not discrimination.

Show me a white policeman in India. Show me a non-Japanese government official in Japan.

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
You say multiculturalism is ugly, I say it's one step closer to humans understanding each other.

You don't even understand what multiculturalism is, or have any experience of it. You have a wholly incorrect and ignorant view of life as an ethnic minority in the UK. How can you possibly argue the subject?

 

[Absinthe]

Since when did the issue giving non-citizens free healthcare and government hand-outs turn into an issue of multiculturalism?

But since we're heading this direction, I might as well say that if you're going to live in a society, you should be trying to integrate into it to a reasonable extent. I'm not seeing any benefit to insular little groups other than allowing people to say "Hey, we're multicultural!".

Don't confuse this with xenophobia, as that's simply on the opposite end of irrational behavior.

 

[jondy]

Ah, wonderful, we've made it to 'multiculturalism'. The erosion of British culture by minorities. Good, healthy stuff.

Spitalfields, Soho. Huguenots, Jews, Irish. You know what I'm talking about. Give this a century, and it'll all be air through the engine, with some other crisis turning over the same haggard arguments.

 

[99.vikram]

WTF? What rights are minority groups lacking in the UK?

I didn't say they don't have rights. I said that there's regular talk of stuff like not allowing the turban or burqa, which would never have been brought up here, because minorities are less pressured to conform.

Such complete and utter ignorance of the situation here - which goes back to the subject of you not being qualified to comment on what it's like to live here...Show me a white policeman in India.

Show me a white guy who tried to be a policeman here.
Seriously, how many white people do you think immigrate here? (very few, if you haven't guessed)

And enlighten me about what I'm missing, please.

You have a wholly incorrect and ignorant view of life as an ethnic minority in the UK. How can you possibly argue the subject?

List the flaws in my views, or I'll have to treat this as an emotional reaction.

 

[repiV]

I didn't say they don't have rights. I said that there's regular talk of stuff like not allowing the turban or burqa, which would never have been brought up here, because minorities are less pressured to conform.

Islam isn't particularly foreign to India, and no doubt it isn't considered extremely rude, or even highly suspicious to cover your face in India.
It's our way. Behave within the boundaries of acceptable behaviour in our culture or leave - exactly the same respect I would afford to you, and that would rightfully be expected of me, were I living in your country. The same respect that would be enforced by law in the majority of the Middle East.

Also, we don't have any talk about not allowing the turban.

Show me a white guy who tried to be a policeman here.
Seriously, how many white people do you think immigrate here? (very few, if you haven't guessed)

Maybe not too many in India (although that is certainly changing nowadays), but the Far East is full of Westerners. Hong Kong was a British colony only 10 years ago, but you won't find many white civil servants there anymore.

And enlighten me about what I'm missing, please.

List the flaws in my views, or I'll have to treat this as an emotional reaction.

You somehow have this idea in your head that it's actually really hard to be a minority in the UK, and that there is racism and discrimination conspiring at every turn to stop minorities being successful.
In actual fact, South Asians are the most successful ethnic group here educationally - significantly more so than whites.
It's a trait I respect quite deeply. Guys come over here from your country and they go out there and ****ing make something of themselves, make the most of the opportunities they've been given here.
By the same token, it's proof that other ethnic groups are underachieving because of the underlying cultural attitudes, not because whitey is keeping them down or some shit.

 

[NeptuneUK]

It's a trait I respect quite deeply. Guys come over here from your country and they go out there and ****ing make something of themselves, make the most of the opportunities they've been given here.

Agreed.

 

[repiV]

Agreed.

Hey dude.

It's a massive bugbear of mine - the type of person that always sides with the unfortunate, always looks down upon the successful, blames one person's (usually self-inflicted) misfortune upon another's fortune. Bleeding hearts encourage the cycle of poverty far more than laissez-faire capitalists ever could.
If you're a poor black man and you live in a slum in Hackney and you can barely afford the rent? Well, maybe you should ****ing work harder. Or smarter. It ain't my fault you suck at life and blame everyone else but yourself.

 

[NeptuneUK]

Hey dude.

It's a massive bugbear of mine - the type of person that always sides with the unfortunate, always looks down upon the successful, blames one person's (usually self-inflicted) misfortune upon another's fortune. Bleeding hearts encourage the cycle of poverty far more than laissez-faire capitalists ever could.
If you're a poor black man and you live in a slum in Hackney and you can barely afford the rent? Well, maybe you should ****ing work harder. Or smarter. It ain't my fault you suck at life and blame everyone else but yourself.

I don't know whether I've ever mentioned it, but you are like my political clone. Every post you have I have always completely supported, I'm not very good with words so I don't bother trying to be political.

 

[Gray Fox]

Hey dude.

It's a massive bugbear of mine - the type of person that always sides with the unfortunate, always looks down upon the successful, blames one person's (usually self-inflicted) misfortune upon another's fortune. Bleeding hearts encourage the cycle of poverty far more than laissez-faire capitalists ever could.
If you're a poor black man and you live in a slum in Hackney and you can barely afford the rent? Well, maybe you should ****ing work harder. Or smarter. It ain't my fault you suck at life and blame everyone else but yourself.

You don't seem to understand nor try to understand the nature of problems, instead you opt for a very lazy dismissive attitude.

And thats nowhere as apparent as in your poor man statement.
You do know that in a capitalist economy how hard you work does not necessarily reflect how much income you get, your income is based on your perceived importants to an organization.

Those bleeding hearts, do no encourage laziness at all, it's the no bounds capitalism that reestablishes inequalities likened to that of a monarchy, and monopolies that makes competition and rising up and above ones social status impossible.

Bleeding hearts simply recognize this, and try trough taxes and government subsidies, positieve discrimination to level the playing field, and thus increase the amount of people that can compete, which in terms leads to healthier economy and more spread out wealth.

This recognition of faults within capitalism is one of the primary reason for the post WWII stability and prosperity.

 

[99.vikram]

the type of person that always sides with the unfortunate

I can identify with that one.

 

[repiV]

I don't know whether I've ever mentioned it, but you are like my political clone. Every post you have I have always completely supported, I'm not very good with words so I don't bother trying to be political.

Cool.

You don't seem to understand nor try to understand the nature of problems, instead you opt for a very lazy dismissive attitude.

And thats nowhere as apparent as in your poor man statement.

Lazy attitude?
I tell you what's lazy - giving up and blaming your incompetence on "the man". I grew up in a ****ing council estate scumhole in the worst part of town, I think I would know "the nature of problems". The difference is, unlike you and your ilk, I don't think the world owes me anything. I've had a harder life than 99% of people, and poverty is only a small part of that - I also missed the last few years of secondary school, but oddly enough I'm pretty well off now just a few years later.
Why? Because I work damn hard, stay focused and never give up. Maybe these moaning wankers that leech off the rest of society should try it out sometime.

You do know that in a capitalist economy how hard you work does not necessarily reflect how much income you get, your income is based on your perceived importants to an organization.

Bollocks. Income is based off supply and demand. If you want more money, do something more useful to society. It's that simple.
It doesn't take a ****ing genius to become a plumber or van courier.

Those bleeding hearts, do no encourage laziness at all, it's the no bounds capitalism that reestablishes inequalities likened to that of a monarchy, and monopolies that makes competition and rising up and above ones social status impossible.

Nonsense. Bleeding hearts encourage the poor to whine about their predicament and leech off successful people instead of actually standing on their own two feet.
"Rising up above ones social status" is only impossible if you're a complete retard or have a defeatist, self-pitying attitude to life as you obviously do.

Bleeding hearts simply recognize this, and try trough taxes and government subsidies, positieve discrimination to level the playing field, and thus increase the amount of people that can compete, which in terms leads to healthier economy and more spread out wealth.

You're kidding, right? Level the playing field by giving people unfair advantages? "Yes, you're black, so you can have free entry to Cambridge university"... "Sorry buddy, you're the smartest guy in all of England but that welfare queen took your place instead."

This recognition of faults within capitalism is one of the primary reason for the post WWII stability and prosperity.

Which obviously explains why the most prosperous nations are the most capitalist ones.

 

[Doppelgofer]

This makes me sick.

me neither