Muslims offended by Muhammad the teddy bear

She faces something like 40 lashes if the British officials cant get secure her release :/

Sudans a bitch :|
 
It's in Sudan? so? this surprises you?

The only free part of Sudan is the Aboriginal and Christian south.
 
wow, bad shit happens in countries run by fundamentalist nutjobs ...... ok
 
CptStern said:
wow, bad shit happens in countries run by fundamentalist nutjobs ...... ok
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But I didn't know that until this 10,000th thread on the topic. We better make 10,000 more just so it rubs in. :rolleyes:
 
CptStern said:
wow, bad shit happens with US foreign policy ...... ok
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It's not like your hundred or so topics that are critical of the US are that "surprising" either. Neither you or No Limit are in any position to accuse others of rubbing in anything. Has it ever dawned on you that a topic such as this might pop up because it's news? As in, it actually took place in the world recently and is being reported on? Not every topic that's prone to invoking a critical look at Islam is part of some massive anti-Muslim agenda.

We have here a case of a woman facing the possibility of 40 lashes for something that she neither directly committed or even imagined to be offensive. She is in this current predicament entirely because of a purely Muslim doctrine. And all you can do is brush this off as propaganda or something since this is apparently beating some dead horse. But nooooo, go ahead and post another topic about how 80% of Americans are stupid, or how troops in Iraq are slaughtering peaceful Iraqi neighborhoods, or how ass backwards some fundy preacher from the deep south is.

It's not like we've gone over those before. Ever.
 
From what I've read I'd be very surprised if the woman gets imprisoned or the lashes. It pretty much seems that some parents took the whole thing the wrong way, and the police are investigated it. The Sudanese embassy in London have been trying to downplay the whole thing.
 
What Stern and NoLimit post is far more relevant since it involves our own western governments, the ones that we chose, the ones that are supposed to behave civilized, the ones that we have to keep in check. And the fact that after thousands of threads on the topic nothing has changed says more about us a society then about Stern and Limit. You can get angry about it but it won't make you right, and it doesn't make then anymore relevent.

And I disagree that these threads do not serve any propaganda purpose, the savagery of different cultures is often used as an excuse for our own misbehaviors, even when there is no relevance.
 
Gray Fox said:
What Stern and NoLimit post is far more relevant since it involves our own western governments, the ones that we chose, the ones that are supposed to behave civilized, the ones that we have to keep in check. And the fact that after thousands of threads on the topic nothing has changed says more about us a society then about Stern and Limit. You can get angry about it but it won't make you right.

And I disagree that these threads do not serve any propaganda purpose, the savagery of different cultures is often used as an excuse for our own misbehaviors, even when there is no relevance.
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You automatically assume we are placing ourselves in a position of unilateral supremacy whenever a topic is made about Islam or problems in the Middle East. Therein lies the problem.

Who are you to decide what's more relevant? Most users here are from the west, yes. But this subforum is not restricted to a particular regional discussion. And I consider Islam and its doctrines to be very relevant to the world stage at the moment. That's not to say what happens in the west isn't important. It's just nice to talk about other things every once in a while.

The Middle East and its dominant religion are just as fair game as their contemporaries. I understand the sentiment that America's "atrocities" should prompt more shock since we expect better from a civilized country, but I really can't be assed to care when there's all this stubborn refusal to criticize countries that are worse than us, and clearly so.
 
Gray Fox said:
What Stern and NoLimit post is far more relevant since it involves our own western governments, the ones that we chose, the ones that are supposed to behave civilized, the ones that we have to keep in check. And the fact that after thousands of threads on the topic nothing has changed says more about us a society then about Stern and Limit. You can get angry about it but it won't make you right, and it doesn't make then anymore relevent.

And I disagree that these threads do not serve any propaganda purpose, the savagery of different cultures is often used as an excuse for our own misbehaviors, even when there is no relevance.
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But this thread is not about the faults of the western world, it's about a women getting 40 lashes because of some ****ed up laws.
 
Absinthe said:
It's not like your hundred or so topics that are critical of the US are that "surprising" either. Neither you or No Limit are in any position to accuse others of rubbing in anything. Has it ever dawned on you that a topic such as this might pop up because it's news? As in, it actually took place in the world recently and is being reported on? Not every topic that's prone to invoking a critical look at Islam is part of some massive anti-Muslim agenda.

We have here a case of a woman facing the possibility of 40 lashes for something that she neither directly committed or even imagined to be offensive. She is in this current predicament entirely because of a purely Muslim doctrine. And all you can do is brush this off as propaganda or something since this is apparently beating some dead horse. But nooooo, go ahead and post another topic about how 80% of Americans are stupid, or how troops in Iraq are slaughtering peaceful Iraqi neighborhoods, or how ass backwards some fundy preacher from the deep south is.

It's not like we've gone over those before. Ever.
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Nobody claimed this was propogenda. What I agreed with Stern on is that shit like this happens all the time in countries ran by fundamentalists. If you guys would post how this should be dealt with instead of just bitching about it maybe these threads would have some kind of point, because as it stands they are totally pointless (in my humble opinion).
 
Oh, those muslims. Everything offends them!
 
An innocent mistake. I find the story quite saddening.
 
No Limit said:
Nobody claimed this was propogenda. What I agreed with Stern on is that shit like this happens all the time in countries ran by fundamentalists. If you guys would post how this should be dealt with instead of just bitching about it maybe these threads would have some kind of point, because as it stands they are totally pointless (in my humble opinion).
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I've seen you two bash the States considerably, but follow-through discussions about how such issues are to be dealt with are few and far between. I don't see what makes your average topic on the US sucking any less pointless. Be honest now. When is the last time you or Stern got into a long argument about the United States ****ing up somehow and insight was rained down upon all those involved? When has thoughtful discussion of any variant replaced petty mudslinging?
 
What if Muhammad the teddy bear had c4 strapped to it and thrown into a room full of jews!!

Then the muslims would love that teddy bear!!!

.......
 
No Limit said:
If you guys would post how this should be dealt with instead of just bitching about it maybe these threads would have some kind of point, because as it stands they are totally pointless (in my humble opinion).
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No Limit, it's a discussion forum. Whether people are simply commenting (bitching) or providing solutions for the issue...well, it seems to me to be irrelevant. Further, both of you have a choice to visit and further post in threads like these. If they're pointless, why are you two wasting your time?

As far as this goes, and as far as I know, nothing has happened to this woman. So, I'm a bit confused by the outrage in this thread. She's in jail for this, which is stupid, but nothing physical has happened to her and she's completely fine. The British govt is working with Sudan to release her...it was a mistake. Now, if in the midst of negotiating her release, she is sentenced and it's carried out, we have a whole other issue. I doubt that happens, however. My guess...the British negotiate a fine and she's released.
 
Very odd now a kid in her class stated that it was his ideato call the teddy that name as he is called Muhammad - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/7116401.stm

Kind of strange that people can be called after a prophet, just in the same way men in South American countries are called Jesus, yet they go nuts over a bear being called Muhammad ?

Just a thought
 
Nothing horrid has happened to the woman yet, certainly.

I was more concerned that a prison sentence or 40 lashes is actually considered a valid punishment for this kind of offense. She's lucky she's getting help from the embassy. Less fortunate people would be screwed. My outrage is aimed more at the absolute absurdity of this situation than anything else.
 
40 lashes? disgusting.

lashes.jpg


/me leaves thread
 
Read this in The Times.

Love the part of the article where it quoted and pointed out the line that the entire Muslim world decided meant that depictions of Allah or Muhammad.

Huhum...

Koran chapter 42 verse 11 said:
Allah is the originator of the heavens and the earth...There is nothing like the likeness of him.
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That line is the whole basis behind the whole "you cannot depict Muhammad or Allah" thing, nothing in the Koran forbids depicting the prophet or god at all.


Just makes you realize how fundamentally ****ed up some peoples interpretation of their religion is.

All the screaming fanatical banshee protests over cartoons, have no basis in their own religion.


Thats the problem with Islam, too many people over the ags tacked on cultural phenomenon onto the religion and somehow made it out to be part and parcel of the religion.

Oh and if they lash her for this teddy bear (even though the kids chose the name, not even her first choice) then they will have to basically round up and punish every Muhammad in the Islamic world until they change their names.

All the more fuel for my impatience for a future where large swathes of the world aren't having to rely on contradictory misleading and downright erroneous religious doctrine to tell them how to live, and where they can get the kind of education that makes them think for themselves for a change.


[/Atheist rant]
 
Absinthe said:
I've seen you two bash the States considerably, but follow-through discussions about how such issues are to be dealt with are few and far between. I don't see what makes your average topic on the US sucking any less pointless. Be honest now. When is the last time you or Stern got into a long argument about the United States ****ing up somehow and insight was rained down upon all those involved? When has thoughtful discussion of any variant replaced petty mudslinging?
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Bash the states? I can only speak for myself but I'm pretty sure we are bashing the government. On the first page of the politics board I found 3 threads that you might define as "bashing the states". One talks about how 52% of americans want to bomb Iran, a pretty huge deal and the other titled conservatives are stupid, which is a little lazy on Stern's part but it is an interesting read. On that same page 9 threads about how bad Islam is and in most you don't have much of a discussion about anything, just people coming by and saying "I agree", "Islam sucks", etc.

When we talk about US policy it is something that can be changed, for example talking about how it would be idiotic to bomb Iran at this time. These threads are not rare but there are only a couple of them a week and each time the topic is completely different and most times there is some kind value in those threads. I am not saying there is no potential for value in these threads too, but that is lost when a thread on the topic pops up day in and day out saying the exact same thing, "Islam sucks" with absolutely nothing to add on to that.
 
Absinthe said:
It's not like your hundred or so topics that are critical of the US are that "surprising" either. Neither you or No Limit are in any position to accuse others of rubbing in anything. Has it ever dawned on you that a topic such as this might pop up because it's news? As in, it actually took place in the world recently and is being reported on? Not every topic that's prone to invoking a critical look at Islam is part of some massive anti-Muslim agenda.

We have here a case of a woman facing the possibility of 40 lashes for something that she neither directly committed or even imagined to be offensive. She is in this current predicament entirely because of a purely Muslim doctrine. And all you can do is brush this off as propaganda or something since this is apparently beating some dead horse. But nooooo, go ahead and post another topic about how 80% of Americans are stupid, or how troops in Iraq are slaughtering peaceful Iraqi neighborhoods, or how ass backwards some fundy preacher from the deep south is.

It's not like we've gone over those before. Ever.
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wow you got all that from 11 words, six dots and a comma? you read far too much into what I said:

let's recap, I said:


Cptstern said:
wow, bad shit happens in countries run by fundamentalist nutjobs ...... ok
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now explain to me how you got such a ****ed up interpretation that basically accuses me of sympathising with fundamentalists and muslims in general? I clearly said that it's not surprising because they're "fundamentalist nutjobs" ..how the hell does that mean "And all you can do is brush this off as propaganda or something" ...yes, "OR SOMETHING" .. god forbid it mean something else, it MUST mean I'm accusing the media of dissiminating propaganda ..instead of the most obvious explanation: "it's not surprising because they're "fundamentalist nutjobs"" ...no that couldnt be it. I'm basically supporting the notion that this situation is indeed ****ed up BUT that it's expected BECAUSE they're "fundamentalist nutjobs" ..you see what you want to see

dont put words in my mouth, you are not me, you havent a clue as to what I'm thinking on ANY given issue, so dont assume you do



Absinthe said:
I've seen you two bash the States considerably, but follow-through discussions about how such issues are to be dealt with are few and far between.
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I spend most of those types of threads defending myself rather than dealing with the issues ..is it my fault people would rather shoot the messenger than address the message? ..this thread is a prefect example of that. And really meaningful followup discussion? give me a ****ing break, how do you propse I come to some sort of solution to the Hadditha Massacre or the use of torture in gitmo? you're being completely unrealistic. I have yet to see you offer up a solution in any debate involving religion or anything for that matter


Absinthe said:
I don't see what makes your average topic on the US sucking any less pointless. Be honest now. When is the last time you or Stern got into a long argument about the United States ****ing up somehow and insight was rained down upon all those involved? When has thoughtful discussion of any variant replaced petty mudslinging?
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again you're being purposefully unrealistic ..how am I supposed to "rain insight" on an issue such as torture, indiscriminate killing of civilians, or the lies that led to this war? you're almost asking for me to justify those actions by offering up something more than mudslinging ..I mean when's the last time someone posted a story about say some freak of nature and then gone on in length about how mankind is shaping their destiny through the manipulation of nature ..it's unrealistic to expect people to do this so why would you apply this solely to me? do you promise to deliver insight into every single thread you post in? if so I look forward to your future participation in the forums

..and really is it my responsibility to ensure all sides of an issue are represented? isnt that up to you, the reader? and when was the last time YOU brought any insight into these threads? if you dont agree with the assessment posited in the OP then why not add your own insight? that's the beauty of online forums; everyone has a say
 
Lt. Drebin said:
No Limit, it's a discussion forum. Whether people are simply commenting (bitching) or providing solutions for the issue...well, it seems to me to be irrelevant. Further, both of you have a choice to visit and further post in threads like these. If they're pointless, why are you two wasting your time?

As far as this goes, and as far as I know, nothing has happened to this woman. So, I'm a bit confused by the outrage in this thread. She's in jail for this, which is stupid, but nothing physical has happened to her and she's completely fine. The British govt is working with Sudan to release her...it was a mistake. Now, if in the midst of negotiating her release, she is sentenced and it's carried out, we have a whole other issue. I doubt that happens, however. My guess...the British negotiate a fine and she's released.
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My outrage is mostly at the barbarians (there isn't really any other word to describe these sick freaks) who consider this to be a proper punishment. Relative morals are a pile of horseshit.
 
I bet Christiansin the US/Western Hemisphere are jealous they can't do the same thing with people every time somebody makes a chocolate jesus.
 
I simply don't understand. When I'm uninterested in a thread, I don't post. When I think a thread is beating a dead horse, I don't post. If a mod thinks a topic is useless or has been discussed before, it gets closed.

But, no, let's just continue to antagonize and be at each other's throat for no logical reason.

Funny thing is, there's still silly arguments in a thread where I probabally can't find one person that agrees with what is happening to this woman...wow...now that's an accomplishment.
 
Atomic_Piggy said:
My outrage is mostly at the barbarians (there isn't really any other word to describe these sick freaks) who consider this to be a proper punishment. Relative morals are a pile of horseshit.
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Well, my point was that nothing has happened to her, yet. Yes, throwing her in jail is ridiculous in it's own right, but no physical harm has come to her. If she's convicted and has anything other than a small fine to pay, I'll gladly share your outrage. Apparently she's now been charged...so, who knows where this is going.
 
2real said:
I bet Christiansin the US/Western Hemisphere are jealous they can't do the same thing with people every time somebody makes a chocolate jesus.
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Surely a combination of chocolate and Jesus is - dare I say it - heavenly, for a Christian American?
 
A British teacher charged in Sudan with insulting religion, inciting hatred and showing contempt for religious beliefs has arrived at court.
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:rolleyes:

However, there is some sanity to be taken from this:

The Muslim Council of Britain reacted angrily to the news, saying it was "appalled" and demanded Mrs Gibbons' immediate release.

"This is a disgraceful decision and defies common sense. There was clearly no intention on the part of the teacher to deliberately insult the Islamic faith," said Secretary-General Dr Muhammad Abdul Bari, in a strongly-worded statement.

"We call upon the Sudanese President, Omar al-Bashir, to intervene in this case without delay to ensure that Ms Gibbons is freed from this quite shameful ordeal," said Dr Bari.

The Sudanese Embassy in London had said the situation was a "storm in a teacup" and signalled that the teacher could be released soon, attributing the incident to a cultural misunderstanding.
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The final part of the article... I don't know whether to laugh or seeth:

But Sudan's top clerics have called for the full measure of the law to be used against Mrs Gibbons and labelled her actions part of a Western plot against Islam.
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Oh get the **** over yourselves, please.
 
****in Wahhabi Muslims. They ought to be shot. It was not even her fault. The kid was the one who decided to name it Muhammad. Bloody Hell, this is as bad as the rape case...
 
I mean its not like the Vatican brings out the firing squad for those people with the name Jesus
 
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