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A Tale of Two Elements:


I don't even remember what we were talking about when my roommate told me that water is the only element that can create life and take it away. Ignoring the fact that water alone does not create life, I told him that water is in fact not an element. To my surprise he corrected me, and went on to enlighten me about the other 3 elements of nature.

I laughed then became scared; did he actually believe this ridiculous poppycock he was spewing forth at me? After I had banged my head against my wall, I told him that none of those were elements, and if he tried to find them on the periodic table he would be hard pressed.

The reason I started this debacle was not because I didn't believe what he was telling me. I knew exactly what he was talking about, it's just I don't believe in that astrology nonsense. My problem lied within his word choice.

How could one man, look at me and tell me that what the world has decided on and accepted as the meaning of 'element' was wrong. At this point it became clear to me, that I was in fact dealing with an idiot. Because he wouldn't agree with me that an element is something that can not be broken down into a simpler substance by normal means, I had to show him.

So we went to dictionary.com and found this, my favorite entry, for 'element." And I quote, "any of the four substances air, water, fire, and earth formerly believed to compose the physical universe." Formerly Believed, FORMERLY BELIEVED, I shouted at him. It was at this point he made me very upset, because right after I shouted at him, he looked at me and said, "Look, let's just agree to disagree."

"NO!" I yelled, "NO! There will be no disagreement, because you sir, are wrong." He proceeded to repeat with every enunciation of my words, "agree to disagree, agree to disagree." This childlike behavior has no place in a room with as much sophistication as mine. "NO! You’re acting like a child, constantly interrupting someone so you don't have to listen to them disprove you further pushes you into your little pit of ignorance." After that, he stood up and told me, quite seriously, that science isn't the only way to understand nature, and left the room to get dinner.



In closing, I will agree that my behavior wasn't perfect. However, when people tell me to agree to disagree it aggravates me to know end. Somebody who says this, either doesn't want to hear your side of the argument or doesn't have anyway to dispute what you have told them. In the first case, the person is closed minded, and in the second they are trying to back out of it and save face when they have lost.

You may need to meet my roommate to understand he never backs up anything he says. Earlier this week when I told him I liked Volkswagens, he told me he liked ford. I asked why, and he told me, "my brother had one and it was pretty quick." Wow. That is just the epitome of assumption right there. Because he had no knowledge about the car other than it was 'pretty quick' he decides in his own mind that it's a good car.
 
Sounds like he's living in the time of the alchemists, I wouldn't worry too much about it. One of the most important lessons in life is that no matter what you know, or how good your argument turns out to be some people are just imbeciles and it's better to just walk away. In fact it's probably better to bang your head against a brick wall than to try to argue with some people.
 
It seems like you're the close-minded on this one. You're angry only because his opinions don't fit yours.
 
...but xcellerate is right tho. So it doesn't matter if he's close minded or not.
 
^^ haha
Captain planet he's our hero, gunna take polution down to zero. Just keep singing that song to your roommate, he'll love it.
 
Tr0n said:
...but xcellerate is right tho. So it doesn't matter if he's close minded or not.

Doesn't matter if he's right or not. His roomate believes in something else and trying to prove him wrong wasn't that righty.
 
AntiAnto said:
Doesn't matter if he's right or not. His roomate believes in something else and trying to prove him wrong wasn't that righty.
If his roommate is trying to spread ignorance then he should be corrected.

Ignorance = bad.
 
Close minded people are people who wont change despite being show undeniable proof proving them in the wrong.

I hate having to deal with these kinds of people. It pisses me off beyond all hell when people wont change their views. It makes me more sad than angry though, becuase a person who cant see beyond what they believe (be it right or wrong) are pitifull people.
 
Close-minded: Intolerant of the beliefs and opinions of others; stubbornly unreceptive to new ideas.

You're wrong.
 
AntiAnto said:
Doesn't matter if he's right or not. His roomate believes in something else and trying to prove him wrong wasn't that righty.
People who go against the proven centuries of good science, facts and truths just because it's "their opinion" should be corrected and bitch slapped at a bare minimum.
 
nutcrackr said:
People who go against the proven centuries of good science, facts and truths just because it's "their opinion" should be corrected and bitch slapped at a bare minimum.

...you're right, I forgot that science and facts are the truthful truth and no one should contest them.
 
Close-minded: Intolerant of the beliefs and opinions of others; stubbornly unreceptive to new ideas.
Describes his roommate perfectly.

So they are both closed-minded gits. The difference is that one is a wrong closed-minded git, the other is a right closed-minded git. IMO we need more right closed-minded gits.
Thank you miccy.
A pleasure :D
 
Your argument is utterly pointless, because you and your roommate are living in two entirely different realities. Because you both have an entirely different set of beliefs, neither of you are "right," per se.

"But his reality is wrong!", you may say. In fact, no one's reality can ever be "wrong" because within that reality, there exists an entire subset of logic, reasoning, and sensory data to support that reality. Just to illustrate, in an extreme case, gravity could very well act upwards in his reality as long as his senses were adequately deluded enough to believe so.

So, because you both share entirely different systems of logic and belief, your (perceived) logical explanation of why fire, earth, wind, and water are not elements will not be logical in his mind. In conclusion, agree to disagree. :E

And by this same principle, I will likely never be able to convince you of this.
 
Geez, nobody is in position to define the right and the wrong. Period.

Narcolepsy said:
Your argument is utterly pointless, because you and your roommate are living in two entirely different realities. Because you both have an entirely different set of beliefs, neither of you are "right," per se.

"But his reality is wrong!", you may say. In fact, no one's reality can ever be "wrong" because within that reality, there exists an entire subset of logic, reasoning, and sensory data to support that reality. Just to illustrate, in an extreme case, gravity could very well act upwards in his reality as long as his senses were adequately deluded enough to believe so.

So, because you both share entirely different systems of logic and belief, your (perceived) logical explanation of why fire, earth, wind, and water are not elements will not be logical in his mind. In conclusion, agree to disagree. :E

Exact-**cking-ly
 
AntiAnto said:
Geez, nobody is in position to define the right and the wrong. Period.
Are you saying it's wrong to define right and wrong?

Okay then. :p
 
I have an opinion that dinosaurs are still alive today, just invisible with sound suppressing shoes. I can't be wrong, heck it's my opinion. Btw AntiAnto are you his roommate?
 
AntiAnto said:
Ethicaly speaking, what I said is right.....

:O
But I say it's 100% wrong.

Who's right?

Both of us! In your reality, it's wrong to define right and wrong, in mine, it's fine to define right and wrong!

By the way, in my reality, it's not illegal to shove hot pokers through your eyesockets! It's also perfectly fine for you to give me your address!
 
The quite obvious thing to do to prove your friend wrong is to construct a reasonable and thorough formal response to his astoundingly wrong sentiments. This should attack his views from every possible direction in order to prove him wrong. After presenting your supposed friend with this new information, he shall be delightfully surprised at your intelligence and give in to your intellectual demands.

However, one must always be sure that he is not lying and farcefully manipulating your mind into a state of alchemism! Strap him to a chair made out of his parent's ghastly organs and bones, his eyelids pulled back with the nails of his maternal grandmother, their familiar faces in a distorted pattern hovering in the ceiling fan spinning mere inches above his phallic icon, taunting him with the ever growing danger of amputation. Let the glorious periodic table hang around him, surrounding him with the ever-true beliefs of science, denouncing his false religion, the blood of his parents dripping down from the ceiling in a sadistic form of Chinese water torture. Torture will rack his brittle brain into nothing more than a brainwashed servant of your faithful mind. Teach him the darkest bowels of basic high school chemistry, forcing mere abducted school children to chant your favorite scientific childhood rhymes from From A to Z, It's Chemistry! and The Joys of Phallic Rocketry.

Not even the most faithful of faithful non-believers will be able to withstand the brilliant assault of the five senses that you would have arranged for your beloved roommate. But one must always be sure. With the rustiest of 15th century swords used by the devil knights of the order of Satan, slice open his torso, revealing his intestines and string them around his neck, forming a noose. Feed the feces still in his rectum through the noose, forcing him to eat the waste or die a horrible death of asphyxiation as the shit fills up the noose forcing it to be tighter than the anus you have violated oh so many times. This sickening display of sadism will forever change your friend's mind, but of course, if it doesn't, he dies a horrible shit stained death, propped up by the bleached rib bones of his dear mother and father.

And that is how you shall teach your roommate the truth.
 
MiccyNarc said:
By the way, in my reality, it's not illegal to shove hot pokers through your eyesockets! It's also perfectly fine for you to give me your address!
Good sir, I like your reality and would like to be a member.
 
Shens said:
The quite obvious thing to do to prove your friend wrong is to construct a reasonable and thorough formal response to his astoundingly wrong sentiments. This should attack his views from every possible direction in order to prove him wrong. After presenting your supposed friend with this new information, he shall be delightfully surprised at your intelligence and give in to your intellectual demands.

However, one must always be sure that he is not lying and farcefully manipulating your mind into a state of alchemism! Strap him to a chair made out of his parent's ghastly organs and bones, his eyelids pulled back with the nails of his maternal grandmother, their familiar faces in a distorted pattern hovering in the ceiling fan spinning mere inches above his phallic icon, taunting him with the ever growing danger of amputation. Let the glorious periodic table hang around him, surrounding him with the ever-true beliefs of science, denouncing his false religion, the blood of his parents dripping down from the ceiling in a sadistic form of Chinese water torture. Torture will rack his brittle brain into nothing more than a brainwashed servant of your faithful mind. Teach him the darkest bowels of basic high school chemistry, forcing mere abducted school children to chant your favorite scientific childhood rhymes from From A to Z, It's Chemistry! and The Joys of Phallic Rocketry.

Not even the most faithful of faithful non-believers will be able to withstand the brilliant assault of the five senses that you would have arranged for your beloved roommate. But one must always be sure. With the rustiest of 15th century swords used by the devil knights of the order of Satan, slice open his torso, revealing his intestines and string them around his neck, forming a noose. Feed the feces still in his rectum through the noose, forcing him to eat the waste or die a horrible death of asphyxiation as the shit fills up the noose forcing it to be tighter than the anus you have violated oh so many times. This sickening display of sadism will forever change your friend's mind, but of course, if it doesn't, he dies a horrible shit stained death, propped up by the bleached rib bones of his dear mother and father.

And that is how you shall teach your roommate the truth.

As usual, Shens is beautifully and wonderfully right! At least, in my reality.
Good sir, I like your reality and would like to be a member.
All you have to do is send $10 to MiccyNarc's reality! Where it is is dependent on your reality.
 
MiccyNarc said:
But I say it's 100% wrong.

Who's right?

Both of us! In your reality, it's wrong to define right and wrong, in mine, it's fine to define right and wrong!

By the way, in my reality, it's not illegal to shove hot pokers through your eyesockets! It's also perfectly fine for you to give me your address!

Then, we're ****ed.
 
If I believe 2 and 2 make 5... no, wait, that's wrong, because THEY DON'T.

Aha! Your propaganda has no effect on me, O'Brien! Not even rats chewing my face off will make be succumb to your crap!
 
I assume he meant that his room mate thought that the fire and water elements are what is actually used in science.

Its almost like someone saying "The sun goes round the earth" they may believe that this happens, when you know full well that it doesn't.
 
Raeven0 said:
If I believe 2 and 2 make 5... no, wait, that's wrong, because THEY DON'T.

Then again, mathematic is the result of some logical laws implied by the humans... which could be completely off track... Logic is relative.
 
AntiAnto said:
Then, we're ****ed.
Too true. Your address please?
Its almost like someone saying "The sun goes round the earth" they may believe that this happens, when you know full well that it doesn't
This could well launch us into a very different physical relativity discussion.
 
AntiAnto said:
Try Hl2.net GuestMap. My location is rightly and precisely stated.
Thank you sir!
As we speak I'm am on a helicopter inbound to your position. Expect a visit from me in 5 minutes. (Yes, it's a fast helicopter)
 
Your helios machine will be shot down for in the mystical land of Canadia lies the dragons of yonder lore.
 
Ok I sent $10 to MiccyNarc's Reality, what kind of benefits do I get as a member of this fine reality? Will there be cake?
 
Holy Crap. I don't care that he believes in Santa clause, the tooth fairy, or fire as an element. I just wanted him to use a different word. Because water, by definition is not an element. The fact that he was so reluctant to change his word choice or acknowledge how poor it was is what upset me.

There are millions of people out there who don't share the same beliefs/opinions/values as me, and I have no intention of persuading them all to my side. I just want them all to be able to express their beliefs intelligently.
 
xcellerate said:
Holy Crap. I don't care that he believes in Santa clause, the tooth fairy, or fire as an element. I just wanted him to use a different word. Because water, by definition is not an element. The fact that he was so reluctant to change his word choice or acknowledge how poor it was is what upset me.

There are millions of people out there who don't share the same beliefs/opinions/values as me, and I have no intention of persuading them all to my side. I just want them all to be able to express their beliefs intelligently.
So what you're saying is that fire, wind, earth, and water are not elements, right? Because to him, I'm pretty sure they are.

You're using the vocabulary of science. He's using a different one. And the same word often has different definitions depending on what discipline you're approaching them from.
 
nutcrackr said:
Ok I sent $10 to MiccyNarc's Reality, what kind of benefits do I get as a member of this fine reality? Will there be cake?
Any benefits you want! My reality gives benefits to all!
Your helios machine will be shot down for in the mystical land of Canadia lies the dragons of yonder lore.
My helicopter is equipped with the best anti-dragon technology ever developed in Area 51, which doesn't exist!

Let's forget I said that!

Anyway, currently in my reality AntiAnto is writhing on the floor in pain with hot pokers protruding from his eye sockets!
*hugs reality*
So what you're saying is that fire, wind, earth, and water are not elements, right? Because to him, I'm pretty sure they are.
To me, you are spontaneously combusting once every 5 seconds!
Getting warm yet? :D
 
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