my vista makes my games run like ass

[Baserape>]

Why is that so hard to imagine? It's nigh the same thing. Want to watch a movie? Put the disc in and click go. Word process? Open OO or use crossover office. Use the internet? Open firefox. Ubuntu isn't somehow harder to use than XP for a begginer, everything is there and ready to go if setup properly like XP machines made by say Dell are sold.

:rolling:

 

[Gunner]

Gotta love that about Vista you need a faster computer to run the same application on Vista compared to XP, even with all the extra crap turned off.

It's a new OS. System requirements for Windows have increased with each version. But you obviously can't understand that.

 

[VirusType2]

It's a new OS. System requirements for Windows have increased with each version. But you obviously can't understand that.

Yeah, but why should I upgrade then? If performance is worse... Several hundred dollars for a search bar and some bells and whistles. Makes games run worse, uses more resources.

You know, I think windowblinds is a better option at this point if people are buying vista because it looks better. WindowBlinds offers a few thousand themes you can download for free. I;ve had it for a while, but never felt like installing it, and just installed it, and it's really sweet.

I've got a bunch of themes that look better than vista aero.

Many Vista users are using WindowBlinds even, but too bad there aren't many vista themes yet, becuase XP users have an insanely greater amount software to choose from in general.


So system requirements increased. OK. But what do you get for that huge setback. Performance is a huge factor in OS's. What is the tradeoff? Tell me please. Let me re-iterate - what do you get from Vista besides Aero? Isn't the new menu design confusing or is that just at first. I used vista for like 2 minutes and felt lost in outer-space trying to do some file transfers and stuff. I guess it just takes a bit to get used to everything?


Vista will be a good choice I'm sure. And if you need a new OS, you might get Vista so you don't have to upgrade later, because eventually XP will be phazed out. Microsoft will not abandon it's plans no matter what.

However, I can't see going out and buying it if you have XP. Not now. Maybe at a later date it could be recommended to buy as an "upgrade" to XP.

 

[DreamThrall]

There is a small learning curve, because some things are done slightly different in Vista compared to XP. But once you figure things out, and start discovering all the little shortcuts, you'll never want to turn back. I've still got XP on my laptop and I hate using it now.

 

[Gunner]

Nothing, you get nothing out of Vista. It's the worst OS ever created on earth. If you install it, your pc will implode and you will have prostate cancer. There are reported cases of people using Vista and dying of malnutrition too.

It's the same shit as XP with better features, the only problem is the slightly lower performance in games. That's it. Stop pretending like it's an OS made from an entirely different company.

OH BUT WHY SHOULD I UPGRADE? I LIKE TO PLAY Q3 @ 5000 FPS AND VISTA WILL ONLY GIVE ME 4500 FPS!

**** you. Don't upgrade. Nobody asked you to.

 

[VirusType2]

Isn't XP performance bad enough?

Screw this shit - you know what? I'm going to upgrade to DOS.



DOS runs like a bat out of hell. I can try to read the /dir as it scrolls past. Wait! get ready to read fast... now! shit, it's scrolling too fast, try again. Oh wait, it's just barely off the screen. Tap Scroll lock/break at the right time! It's a mini-game!

 

[Kadayi]

I'm holding out on Vista until they release an SP.

 

[Kyorisu]

You've obviously never had to deal with users before...

I call them customers and they are easy to work with. By easy I mean I've learned how to do deal with people and hence I'm quite able to explain complex tasks to even the feeble minded.

No.

Eh? You care to much, policing much?

Based off my experience using Vista heavily, yes, I do recommend upgrading. Of course, you'll need a system that can handle it - the OP, for example, should never be running Vista on his system. But if you've got a decent dual core processor and a decent amount of RAM, I wouldn't let the naysayers stop you.

Meh whatever we won't settle this one any time soon.

It's a new OS. System requirements for Windows have increased with each version. But you obviously can't understand that.

I missed the part where Vista had anything worth upgrading for. All previous revision jumps have been very good, cept for ME that can rot. You can argue DX10 and all the features that are hidden to home users all you like.

:rolling:

Okay wise guy how is windows easier to use from a novices point of view? As for your bolding of Dell there it's called an example.

I'm not 100% against Vista I'm just saying wait for better driver support (video drivers anyone?) and for the first service pack to hit which should clean up some rather gaping holes and bugs.

Nothing, you get nothing out of Vista. It's the worst OS ever created on earth. If you install it, your pc will implode and you will have prostate cancer. There are reported cases of people using Vista and dying of malnutrition too.

It's the same shit as XP with better features, the only problem is the slightly lower performance in games. That's it. Stop pretending like it's an OS made from an entirely different company.

Only games? Oh boy you aren't very bright are you? Vista actually offers a few things that would make my .net life a little easier but are outweighed by shonky support for the equipment in my office.

Typical list of running apps.

2 * Visual Studio 2005. (Main dev work, remote debugger)
MS SQL Management Console (as it says on the tin)
4 * IE/FF (bugtracker, couple of other research windows, this window)
3 * Word 2007 (specs documents)
OneNote 2007 (notes and shit)
Notepad
The Regulator (regular expressions)
Powershell (killing dev servers with stop-process -name webdev*)
2 * Remote Desktop connections (one home for email, one to dev vm #3 (out of 5 on the hp 8 way blade server that noone else uses hehe))
Xwinder (support app for my keyboard)
Live Messenger
Outlook
Trend Micro AV (seems to have died mysteriously after the batch file in my startup ran)
ActiveSync
Some TPM crap that doesn work
Realtek HD *cough* Audio
Some nvidia crap

Whatever you guys win Vista is AWESOME.

 

[Unfocused]

I remember when Mortal Kombat 3 for Windows (95) was all choppy on my Pentium 75Mhz, 8MB RAM and S3 Virge 1MB GPU, while the same game for DOS ran flawlessly. If I remember correctly, upgrading to 24MB RAM helped much with the performance under Windows.

 

[Qonfused]

lol @ Shasta

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e242/Qonfused/Forums/Trolling.gif

 

[Shasta]

lol @ Vista fanboys more like.

I wonder if they realise that apart from a few things like DX10etc, they are just paying MS to have WAY more control over them. Sure, new OS's generally use more resources than the one they replace. Want to know WHY it uses TWICE as many resources as XP though? Because of all the paranoid encryption. It encrypts the info from your HD to your processor. Then it decrypts it. Then it encrypts it from your processor to your GFX card. Then it decrypts it. And so on. That is just an example of playing a movie.

Why would you want a system that uses half the available resources just to encrypt stuff? Is all the encrypting / decrypting useful or helpful to the end user? No.

 

[DreamThrall]

It encrypts the info from your HD to your processor. Then it decrypts it. Then it encrypts it from your processor to your GFX card. Then it decrypts it. And so on. That is just an example of playing a movie.

Do you have a link to something explaining that? All I'm aware of is the optional HDD encryption that's only available in Ultimate that they recommend using on a laptop.

 

[leib10]

I'm buying myself a Dell XPS M1710 when I've got the money. Luckily, Dell still offers XP on these laptops, and you can be damned sure I'm going to have it rather than this Vista crap.

 

[_Z_Ryuken]

Windowblinds (cracked) caused my XP Pro (cracked) to crash constantly. It was a pretty clean install and my old computer ran better than most people for many years. Performance was good.
Vista is my first legit OS since 98SE. I bought it becaues I wanted a totally legit computer, and I didn't want to buy XP because soon enough it will be obsolete.

The lot of you are really being a little too discretionary over this OS. It is a very good OS to use. it is simple, elegant, runs well, and my install thus far has never had a single issue provided I have updated drivers, and even so it tries to work well without them. Fact is, I have merely adopted a standard before the masses agree that it is in fact the new standard. Hang on to your precious XP while you can. It will leave you out in the cold eventually.

Truth is I felt the way about XP as many of you feel about Vista. My first experience with it on a demo computer at some store was horrible. it ran poorly, looked like crap. Eventually when installed on my own machine, using my own settings I found it to be miles ahead of my beloved 98SE, despite some initial CD ripping problems. I let go of 98 because I knew that XP was new and good and I trusted it.
Vista at this point is also new and good.
It is childish to bash Vista just because your limited experience with it leads you to believe it doesn't run as well, or as "fast" as an XP machine, or gets lower framerates on average. My games run fantasically well, and with what is now considered below average memory and CPU clock, even by XP standards.

I'm just going to sit here and chuckle to myself as the time comes when every last one of you and everyone you know upgrades to Vista, and I will resist the urge to bump this thread.

 

[Shasta]

Do you have a link to something explaining that? All I'm aware of is the optional HDD encryption that's only available in Ultimate that they recommend using on a laptop.

LINK

If you can't be arsed reading it all, then (apart from shutting up) at least read the paragraph headings - they are like a list of a whole heap of reasons why Vista sucks - and read the section of any that catch your attention / interest.

 

[-Psy-]

This thread is full of pointless jibberjabber.

 

[Gunner]

lol @ Vista fanboys more like.

It's okay you can tell us, where did Vista bad-touch you?

 

[DreamThrall]

LINK

Okay, most of that article centers around "protected content", primarily HD-DVD and Blu-Ray, neither of which I have any intention of adopting anytime in the near future. I have yet to encounter any sort of protected content, and if I do, I don't even use any hi-quality components, so it doesn't matter for me.

Some of the stuff he mention are basically fringe cases, or things that might not be that bad an idea (like what he calls "Decreased System Reliability")


He has a lot of good information, but this isn't exactly what I'd call an unbiased source.

 

[Kyorisu]

Windowblinds (cracked) caused my XP Pro (cracked) to crash constantly.

Heres a hint Stardock are very good at making the product a bitch for pirates.

XP cost me $0 volume key from work.
WIndowsblinds cost me $20, big deal $20 is nothing. http://img75.imageshack.us/img75/6741/blindsma5.jpg

Hang on to your precious XP while you can. It will leave you out in the cold eventually.

XP has many years left in it and is not obsolete by any means.

I'm just going to sit here and chuckle to myself as the time comes when every last one of you and everyone you know upgrades to Vista, and I will resist the urge to bump this thread.

Your missing the point. Of course we'll all be running it eventually that's not the discussion here. I'm saying we shouldn't/don't need to be using it NOW. I've said many times on the Vista debate that it needs to be given some leg room to be cleaned up a bit ala Service Pack one which should be out by the end of the year.

 

[Asus]

To be or not to be... a 'beta' tester. I don't like the high probability of encountering driver and Vista issues atm.
And I want to wait as long as I can before retiring my TV tuners, which won't work in Vista because they don't support DRM like the newer versions. And they are just analog tuners, not digital or HD.
D:

 

[Shasta]

Okay, most of that article centers around "protected content", primarily HD-DVD and Blu-Ray, neither of which I have any intention of adopting anytime in the near future. I have yet to encounter any sort of protected content, and if I do, I don't even use any hi-quality components, so it doesn't matter for me.

Some of the stuff he mention are basically fringe cases, or things that might not be that bad an idea (like what he calls "Decreased System Reliability")

But that's the point. You're STILL getting decreased performance from all the paranoid encryption / decryption no matter what. As far as I am aware, it doesn't matter if you are using HD stuff or not - it still encrypts etc "to protect from piracy attempts".

And since when is decreased system reliability "not that bad an idea" like you say???????

 

[VirusType2]

Windowblinds (cracked) caused my XP Pro (cracked) to crash constantly.

Oh, wow, this reply contains fun.

I bought it becaues I wanted a totally legit computer, and I didn't want to buy XP because soon enough it will be obsolete.

Retail XP = support until 2012. 5 full years after launch of Vista, and 5 more extended. 10 years my friend. Hopefully they can get a good working version of Vista or something else by then.

The lot of you are really being a little too discretionary over this OS. It is a very good OS to use. it is simple, elegant, runs well, and my install thus far has never had a single issue provided I have updated drivers, and even so it tries to work well without them. Fact is, I have merely adopted a standard before the masses agree that it is in fact the new standard.

What about Windows Millennium, 98SE, NT, and whatever other versions of these other operating systems. Who is to say that Vista isn't replaced in 2 years by a better OS from MS?

Hang on to your precious XP while you can. It will leave you out in the cold eventually.

Like I said, I'm good until 2012, and even then it will still work, just no more updates or support.

I have no problems with XP and no reason to buy Vista.

It is childish to bash Vista just because your limited experience with it leads you to believe it doesn't run as well, or as "fast" as an XP machine, or gets lower framerates on average. My games run fantasically well, and with what is now considered below average memory and CPU clock, even by XP standards.

Nobody is bashing it really. I'm just saying why I don't use it. I don't really see any need to get it. I'm glad you are enjoying it.
\

I'm just going to sit here and chuckle to myself as the time comes when every last one of you and everyone you know upgrades to Vista, and I will resist the urge to bump this thread.

I'll wait until I have a reason to get it, and see if they don't release a better one in a couple years.

 

[-Psy-]

Jesus guys! It's just an OS. As long as it allows oneself to view pornography then I see no problem!

 

[Tyguy]

i got vista and had the same problems...so i went back to XP and couldn't be happier

 

[_Z_Ryuken]

Windowblinds didn't crash as much as I made it sound, but you try running it on a Pentium 3 with 512Mb of PC100 SDRAM. :|

Retail XP = support until 2012. 5 full years after launch of Vista, and 5 more extended. 10 years my friend. Hopefully they can get a good working version of Vista or something else by then.

XP will never use DX10 or 11 or 12 or..
Vista works now.

What about Windows Millennium, 98SE, NT, and whatever other versions of these other operating systems. Who is to say that Vista isn't replaced in 2 years by a better OS from MS?

Millenium was absolute junk. I don't even consider it. Only clueless people used it. I didn't adopt XP until 03, so, I dunno 6 years is a pretty good time span.

Like I said, I'm good until 2012, and even then it will still work, just no more updates or support.

My Super NES will also probably still work in 2012. The point is XP will probably not be able to extract the potential of whatever is currently fun at that time.

I have no problems with XP and no reason to buy Vista.

So don't by it. I'm not urging anyone to get it. Like I said I think XP is great. I just feel like it's not as good as Vista.

I'll wait until I have a reason to get it, and see if they don't release a better one in a couple years.

Highly improbable.

 

[Qonfused]

Vista works now.

Up for debate.

 

[_Z_Ryuken]

I'll debate my foot up your ass.




j/k

 

[Qonfused]

D:

 

[Jerry_111]

Wow! My thread is EPIC

 

[DreamThrall]

LOOK AT WHAT YOU STARTED! D: go to your room!

 

[-Psy-]

XP will never use DX10 or 11 or 12 or..
Vista works now.

Like every game currently in development is using DX10... :rolling:

 

[VirusType2]

XP will never use DX10 or 11 or 12 or..
Vista works now.

Does it?

The point is XP will probably not be able to extract the potential of whatever is currently fun at that time.

Yes because Vista extracts the potential of whatever is currently fun at the time.

Don't you mean Subtracts?

 

[soulslicer]

wait does crysis need vista?? does it? does it?? i hate vista.

 

[Kyorisu]

DirectX 9.0 L is simply a renamed and refurbished DirectX 10 for Windows XP. It will make DirectX 10 games to work on Windows XP.

And games such as the upcoming Crysis won't work on the existing DirectX 9.0 c. they need a DirectX 9.0 L

One of the biggest issues is the fact that Nvidia or ATI won't have any mainstream or entry-level cards until at least mid- to end of Q1 2007. This suggests that if Vista tips up around the beginning of the year, gamers will be turned off by it.

Electronic Arts, the publisher of Crysis, wants to sell hundreds or thousands, even millions of copies and we doubt that Nvidia can produce and sell that many Geforce 8800 GTX and GTS cards.

It will be interesting to see whether the Windows XP Crysis will be different from the Vista ones.

Oh noes there goes the DX10 argument and this was found out how many months ago?

There also

http://alkyproject.blogspot.com/

"DX10 is only for Vista" Yeah uh, hmmm, no.

 

[_Z_Ryuken]

Congratulations.


Getting back on topic, I just installed a 2nd gig of memory and I have to say it makes quite a huge difference. I seem to recall this being something the OP was concerned with. Hard to remember with all the fanboy chatter.

If you haven't done it yet, get yourself some RAM and keep your Vista. Once you have it there is no reason to get rid of it.

Here the performance increase is quantified: (ignore if using XP)

 

[Naudian]

I'm trying to make up my mind between getting another gig of ddr400 and letting my current system last for another year, OR getting a whole new core 2 duo setup.

Current setup:
AMD 3700+ @ 2.7ghz
1GB of DDR400
eVGA 7800GT


So it's either:
- a new mobo, Core 2 Duo E6320, 2gb DDR2800, and a new hard drive all for around $600 (CAD including shipping/tax)
or
- another gb of ram for around $160 :\

I'm thinking I should wait and buy the core 2 duo setup sometime later this year.

 

[Qonfused]

Def. wait.

 

[Asus]

If you are thinking of getting a new system later this year then don't buy anything now. Not worth buying DDR ram that you won't use soon since everything new is DDR2.

And the CPU is plenty fast @ 2.7GHz for now.

 

[_Z_Ryuken]

I would not upgrade your computer until your performance suffers. It's pointless to upgrade for the sake of upgrading.

 

[Naudian]

My performance is suffering D:
BF2 takes so long to get going smoothly I gave up on it...
All source games have a bit of choppiness at the start as well but it's not bad. Same with a bunch of other games...
Not to mention my frame rates are crap compared to what they were with XP.

I'd go back to XP, but I'm not gaming much these days, so I can't be bothered.

I will definitely wait a bit and get a new system.