Myanmar, or however you spell it.

[15357]

So, let us discuss.

Normally, I wouldn't be against the use of force against illegal protests, but burma's regime is just stupid and ****ing evil. I mean to say, their leader actually uses astrology to make decisions. Also, the regime has turned it into one of the poorest countrie in the world, much unlike our 60s mil regime. ALSO , Protesting, peaceful or otherwise aren't going to help those poor people.

Anyway, I vote to invade burma like iraq. Liberate them and take their oil.


Possible solutions to this?

 

[<RJMC>]

considering the fact that they order to shoot civilians them I dont think they have much hope

 

[No Limit]

Normally, I wouldn't be against the use of force against illegal protests,

What kind of programming do the americans provide on your TVs over there? I have honestly never met anyone as pro-government propogenda as you are in my years of internets travel.

You wouldn't be against killing innocent civillians because of an illegal protest? First off, how can you have a protest that's legal? Do you have an understanding of what a protest is and what a protest is supposed to accomplish? Or do they not teach you that in your schools?

 

[CptStern]

What kind of programming do the americans provide on your TVs over there?

the kind of programming that requires you to wear this

 

[<RJMC>]

the kind of programming that requires you to wear this

numbers teacher: so you are going to protest?
numbers:ye.garggggrrrrblarg...no, no sir
teacher: good

 

[The Monkey]

I fully support the people of Burma in this one. The US couldn't even condemn the slaughter of civilians due to China and Russia's veto.

 

[kirovman]

The people of Myanmar/Burma deserve better than that junta in charge who have stagnated what should be a prosperous country.

 

[15357]

What kind of programming do the americans provide on your TVs over there? I have honestly never met anyone as pro-government propogenda as you are in my years of internets travel.

You wouldn't be against killing innocent civillians because of an illegal protest? First off, how can you have a protest that's legal? Do you have an understanding of what a protest is and what a protest is supposed to accomplish? Or do they not teach you that in your schools?

I meant non-lethal force. Like batons and tear gas. Besides, taking part in an illegal protest doesn't make you innocent. Also, yeah, we don't have Antigoverment Destabilization 101 courses.


Anyway, I say again: I fully support the people of Burma on this one.

 

[theotherguy]

What kind of programming do the americans provide on your TVs over there? I have honestly never met anyone as pro-government propogenda as you are in my years of internets travel.

You wouldn't be against killing innocent civillians because of an illegal protest? First off, how can you have a protest that's legal? Do you have an understanding of what a protest is and what a protest is supposed to accomplish? Or do they not teach you that in your schools?

You gotta love numbers.

You know he's faking it for attention.

But if he's not....





...D:

I couldn't go on living.

 

[TwwIX]

Where's the good 'ol us of a now?
Oh wait,to be a terrorist you have to be a follower of islam.
I guess genocide and massacres don't fall into that category.

 

[15357]

You gotta love numbers.

You know he's faking it for attention.

But if he's not....





...D:

I couldn't go on living.

Oh, for gods sake, I am not "faking it". I don't know why you would, or rather, could "fake" the support of force against illegal destabilizing forces.

 

[The Monkey]

Some defector in Norway said that "thousands" had been killed over the last few days.

 

[kirovman]

Defectors always say that.

Don't listen to him.

 

[Lh'owon]

Not cool.

 

[Bob_Marley]

Some defector in Norway said that "thousands" had been killed over the last few days.

According to ITN over here (apparently they actually have a reporter inside Burma, which is odd as reporters are banned atm) stated that according to their sources around 30 people had been killed and over 1500 detained.

Not cool at all.

And the fact that they're cutting off the phone lines and internet connections to hide this from the world makes it all the worse.

 

[jimbo118]

so let me get this one straight, China supports this regime or 'tolerates' it? :|

 

[No Limit]

Oh, for gods sake, I am not "faking it". I don't know why you would, or rather, could "fake" the support of force against illegal destabilizing forces.

How do you think America became a country? Through legal protests? You say you support the people of Burma on this one. How can that be when this protest is illegal? Are you saying that some illegal protests are good and some are bad? If that's what you are saying can you explain why you, or worse your government, should be the ones that decide which are legal and which ones are illegal?

 

[The Monkey]

The only reason why a demostration or a protest should ever be banned is if they disturb the traffic.

 

[CptStern]

ya cant have people excercising their given right to voice their concerns over their government if it means Sally Soccor mom cant make it to baby Gap because the road is closed

 

[kirovman]

The only reason why a demostration or a protest should ever be banned is if they disturb the traffic.

This guy was disturbing traffic:

[youtube]http://youtube.com/watch?v=vxGi6_v02Tk[/youtube]

 

[15357]

How do you think America became a country?

By revolting against an unfair and unjust anti-democratic monarchy who oppressed the rights, especially the commercial rights of the colonists.

You say you support the people of Burma on this one. How can that be when this protest is illegal? Are you saying that some illegal protests are good and some are bad?

Yes, because it is against a completely unbeneficial and corrupt despotism, (perhaps insane) rather than a goverment that can actually benefit the people, regardless of democracy.

If that's what you are saying can you explain why you, or worse your government, should be the ones that decide which are legal and which ones are illegal?

Because if anti-goverment protests were to happen everyday, it would disrupt the lives of the common citizens, break the economy, and ect. Also, it could bring attention to some ideologies that should not be open for the public.

The system of debate/and or protest is not always effective, and sometimes it causes harm to society. It should not be trusted to the extent that it should cause major action or effects toward the policies of any given goverment.

Also, ther are no given rights, without the protection of your goverment you would not have the rights you claim as your own.

The only reason why a demostration or a protest should ever be banned is if they disturb the traffic.

Only? What if they're lobbing firebombs?

ya cant have people excercising their given right to voice their concerns over their government if it means Sally Soccor mom cant make it to baby Gap because the road is closed

Or when an ambulance carrying a heart attack victim with respiatory arrest has to drive around 40 kms just because the workers want more pay. Yay for brain damage.

 

[soulslicer]

I read in the papers today of how a journalist from Japan was dragged onto the road and shot at point blank range on the head.. will post a scan soon

 

[No Limit]

Numbers, you make no sense. In one sentence you say it is okay to protest against a regime, in the very next sentence you say it's not. I am not trying to say this is a black and white issue but you are sitting here and saying who you think should have the right to protest and who shouldn't. Do you not understand how that defeats the entire purpose of what a protest is? But I don't think I'll get through to you, I can't undo the years of propogenda you must have been put through.

 

[The Monkey]

Only? What if they're lobbing firebombs?

Sorry, I meant to say peaceful protests.

EDIT: I just discovered that this was my 10,000th post. Well, what can I say, it's been a great time here. Some will say I've wasted a lot of time spending time on this forum and writing those 10,000 posts, but to me it's not wasted. Cheers, everybody! I hope that making my next 10,000 posts will be as entertaining as making the first have been. :cheers:

 

[kirovman]

Numbers, you make no sense. In one sentence you say it is okay to protest against a regime, in the very next sentence you say it's not.

That's the beauty of doublethink.

 

[15357]

Numbers, you make no sense. In one sentence you say it is okay to protest against a regime, in the very next sentence you say it's not. I am not trying to say this is a black and white issue but you are sitting here and saying who you think should have the right to protest and who shouldn't. Do you not understand how that defeats the entire purpose of what a protest is? But I don't think I'll get through to you, I can't undo the years of propogenda you must have been put through.

I'm talking about particular regimes. It's not ok to protest against a lawful goverment that is benefitting the people (despite some tactics that may seem authoritarian), but ok to protest against one, esp. a communist one, that is destroying the nation.

That's the beauty of doublethink.

I think it's cognitive dissonance, really. I don't seem to be able to explain the inconsistencies of my thoughts. If they occur, anyway.

 

[Jintor]

If? When, Numbers. When they occur.

 

[No Limit]

I'm talking about particular regimes. It's not ok to protest against a lawful goverment that is benefitting the people (despite some tactics that may seem authoritarian), but ok to protest against one, esp. a communist one, that is destroying the nation.

I think Bush is destroying this nation and the nations of others. Do I have the right to protest in the streets with my friends?

 

[15357]

I think Bush is destroying this nation and the nations of others. Do I have the right to protest in the streets with my friends?

Checklist:

#1. Are you living in a state of absolute poverty that is caused directly/semi-directly by goverment policies?

#2. Are you living in a state of lawlessness that you are unable to walk the streets in safety?

#3. Is your nation without an armed forces, or has an inedequte military force, and therfore is being harrassed to extremes by other nations?

#4. Is your goverment theocratic and has it's laws based off religous scripture, and does not tolerate other religions?

#5. Does your goverment actively condone/support/ or otherwise participate in the destruction or cleaning of ethnic groups?

#6. Is your goverment a puppet goverment set by other nations?

#7. Is your goverment corrupt and/or inefficient to the point that normal activities are hindered?

(note; this may vary in a state of war or emergency and otherwise directed.)

 

[No Limit]

(note; this may vary in a state of war or emergency and otherwise directed.)

 

[CptStern]

I'm talking about particular regimes. It's not ok to protest against a lawful goverment that is benefitting the people

yes in a dictatorship that would be true, however in a democracy that's a given right ..just because you live in a authoritarian police state populated by people too brainwashed to hold their government accountable doesnt mean the rest of us have to do the same

(despite some tactics that may seem authoritarian), but ok to protest against one, esp. a communist one, that is destroying the nation.

relative to what? you would be the first to condemn them as traitors, "civil disobedience is still disobedience" you're a hypocrite numbers

I think it's cognitive dissonance, really. I don't seem to be able to explain the inconsistencies of my thoughts. If they occur, anyway.

I think it's much simpler than that ..you'd like to fully support authoritarianism but since you dont fully understand the principles behind it you parrot the parts you do understand along with those you dont and hope for the best

 

[15357]

I guess I said something wrong?

yes in a dictatorship that would be true, however in a democracy that's a given right ..just because you live in a authoritarian police state populated by people too brainwashed to hold their government accountable doesnt mean the rest of us have to do the same

But protesting for nothing doesn't make any sense, and it's inefficient.

relative to what? you would be the first to condemn them as traitors, "civil disobedience is still disobedience" you're a hypocrite numbers

True. However, following my advice would be good in a police state, because otherwise you'd be shot.

I think it's much simpler than that ..you'd like to fully support authoritarianism but since you dont fully understand the principles behind it you parrot the parts you do understand along with those you dont and hope for the best

I admit that there are some parts that I do not understand, but I just like to call it patriotism.