Need some Airsoft advice

[sinkoman]

So, I always used to think that airsoft was stupid, and inferior to paintball.

But I went and played with a bunch of my buds in the forest today, and it was a TONNE of fun. I really like how much more casual it is to paintball, the pace compared to paintball, and how much more tactical it was compared to paintball.

The fact that it hurts a lot less seemed to make up a large part of that. It's a lot easier to get brave and orchestrate offenses, defenses, and general tactical shit, since you're not so damn scared of getting shot. If you get hit here, it's just "aw man, oh well, till next round", instead of "AW ****! YOU GOT ME IN THE ****ING TIT YA BASTARD!".

So, I found out from a regular who was with us that on Sundays random people will show up at the spot and just play. They don't even know each other, they just show up, team off, and play.

So, i'd like to get in on that every so often, but the problem is that my gun juts blows for fighting in the forest. I've got a gas full auto M11, and while it works BEAUTIFULLY for close quarters fighting, it's too heavy to shoot like a pistol, and too short to shoot like a carbine. Not to mention, the sights are horrible. Not only are they so small that they're impossible to use, but it takes forever just to get them lined in. It's a pinhole style sight, you look through the pinhole of a back site, and line it up with the bottom and sides of a cutout on the bolt. It was a good gun, it seemed more accurate and stronger than some of the pistols they were using, but the fact that it's so hard to use the sights just makes that useless.

So, i'm wondering what I can do to get my gun useable in the woods? I'm not looking to actually SERIOUSLY get into airsoft, but I want a gun that works well enough in the woods so that i'm not cussing at myself when my friends decide to go play, and that i'm confident enough in to use every so often on sundays with random people.

Is there any way to change the sighting on a gun? The tip of my barrel is threaded to accept a silencer, but there's absolutely no rails on the gun at all. Is there any way to maybe mount a laser on the gun?

Should I just sell this thing online and pick up a used sub machine gun or carbine on ebay? I really doubt I could get more than 80 for this gun though :\

Halp!

 

[kineaesth]

So, I always used to think that airsoft was stupid, and inferior to paintball.
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Halp!

Wait, what do Airsoft guns shoot then?

 

[sinkoman]

Wait, what do Airsoft guns shoot then?

BBs

tenchars

 

[mindless_moder]

Wait, what do Airsoft guns shoot then?

these http://www.omegamarketplace.com/shop/images/GU-BB14G5000_large.jpg

i dont know much about airsoft , but i used to play with the spring loaded ones when i was a kid. i actually wanted to ask you a question (if you dont mind) , would you recommend buying an electric or a gas gun ? .
edi:i just googled your gun (thought those were called mac 10..) . i know my opinion doesnt count for much but if i was you i'd buy something with a nice stock and a rail. maybe an m4a1 or an mp5.

 

[Cheomesh]

Wait, what do Airsoft guns shoot then?

Little plastic BB's. They DO have little paintball versions but that just SOUNDS dumb to me.


I too would be interested in airsoft a bit. I'm not athletic but I figure it would be a good thing to go and do, have some fun OUT SIDE.

I have two MP7 by like Gyma or something -- they're single shot (need to cock each time...) and a P90 that's sort of cheap but ok. I bought the MP7's to do some future HL2 live action stuff maybe, and the P90 I got off ebay cus I think the real ones are cool.

Slight question though -- since I don't want to be a "high end" user of airsoft stuff, but I don't want cheap junk, what's a good brand to go for? When I tried out paintball, I found the only players I come across to be total pricks who think that just because they've a sponsored team, they can ignore the rules you set on the field you provided for them. They also made fun of people who didn't have 900USD guns.

 

[sinkoman]

Slight question though -- since I don't want to be a "high end" user of airsoft stuff, but I don't want cheap junk, what's a good brand to go for? When I tried out paintball, I found the only players I come across to be total pricks who think that just because they've a sponsored team, they can ignore the rules you set on the field you provided for them. They also made fun of people who didn't have 900USD guns.

Same here. If I get a new gun, it'd have to be something entry level, and that I could find used online for no more than maybe 130 USD.

 

[Vegeta897]

Tokyo Marui is a great medium/high quality brand. Most of their stuff isn't full metal like the more expensive Classic Army brand. Tokyo Marui is very reliable. TBH I don't think you should bother with anything cheaper. I bought a 100 dollar gun from UTG, which was one of the first "budget" airsoft gun companies, and it didn't work out too well.

 

[DESSTROYER]

I had an uzi that had 2 pinhole style sights, ended up drilling a hole through them to make them wider though, probably what you should do.
also what kind of mac 11 is it? is it a KWA? or a HFC?

I have that one

 

[sinkoman]

Tokyo Marui is a great medium/high quality brand. Most of their stuff isn't full metal like the more expensive Classic Army brand. Tokyo Marui is very reliable. TBH I don't think you should bother with anything cheaper. I bought a 100 dollar gun from UTG, which was one of the first "budget" airsoft gun companies, and it didn't work out too well.

Well, after reading some reviews of my gun, it seems that there are some rail kits and sights out there... Somewhere

I'm really thinking of just sticking with this gun. I don't want to spend money on something that I don't even intend to turn into a real hobby.

 

[mindless_moder]

so ... gas or electric ? . everyone ignored my post .

 

[watermonster]

Take both! More is better!

 

[sinkoman]

I had an uzi that had 2 pinhole style sights, ended up drilling a hole through them to make them wider though, probably what you should do.
also what kind of mac 11 is it? is it a KWA? or a HFC?

I have that one

I have a KWA.

I found a barrel extension mod, but I dunno if i've got the balls to undertake it myself

Dammit, i've seen a bunch of pics with people who've mounted a rail system on their gun, but I can't seem to find anything showing how it's done, as I assume that they modified an existing rail for a different gun to fit this one.

That's all I really want, is a decent pair of sights on this gun. I can deal with the accuracy and range, but it's impossible for me to line up any shots!

 

[Vegeta897]

so ... gas or electric ? . everyone ignored my post .

That depends on what gun you want... Gas is almost entirely used for pistols. Electric is for rifles/smgs/anything else.

Tokyo Marui does make some electric pistols, though. They suck compared to gas pistols though.

There are also some gas smgs like Maruzen MP5k I believe, but those are pretty expensive.

So, in conclusion:

Gas = Pistols
Electric = SMGs and Rifles

 

[sinkoman]

GAH!!!

I've found one set of bolt-on rails, and they come with a silencer too. 80 bucks.

For 80 bucks I could try to sell this thing for 75 dollars, and put 80 dollars ontop of that into a used AEG.

 

[Bob_Marley]

TBH, you'll never properly compete with AEGs in the forest with a MAC M11. Also, it'll be more expensive in the long run due to the cost of gas, which will mount up. The comparitivly small capacity (about 40 rounds, isn't it? Compare that to AEGs which could be running anything from 20 to 2500+) combined with the poor sights and short barrel make it a bit weedy.

I would suggest either a used Marui or one of the more recent Chinese clones (which by all accounts have gotten a lot better recently.) As for the particular AEG it really depends on which you like best, as internally they're much the same.

 

[DESSTROYER]

Well, i use the mac 11 ase a sidearm mainly, but use a tokyo marui G36c AEG. It's 280 FPS and i just use the plain sights, does pretty good in forest like areas. You can get it at around 250-300 bucks.

*EDIT*

One of the best cheap and good weapons (never buy a AEG that is under 200 dollars, you'll get ripped off) is the tokyo marui FAMAS AEGS, they're only usually about 200 dollars, are pretty accurate, fast and reliable. Get it from airsoftatlanta.com

It comes in 2 versions: the famas F1

that one has a bipod, but the weapon is pretty light so you wouldn't really use it that much.

and the famas SV:

Only thing different with this one is that the handle has alot more room, so it's good if you're going to be wearing thick gloves. Also has a different kind of safety, there's 3 firing modes on a selector in the back (semi, safety and full auto) but there's also a triggerguard in front of the trigger, and it keeps you from pulling the trigger. To turn it iff, you just push it to the left until it clicks into spot, and then you can pull the trigger.

Also if you're going to get that, you'll need the right battery and the .20 gram bbs (you should probably already know never to get the .12 bbs)

 

[mindless_moder]

*snip*

thanks a lot for clearing that up. i was also wondering about how airsoft rules go ? is it exactly like paint ball ?.

 

[Beerdude26]

Well, you don't really need full-face masks methinks, so no more fogged up goggles

BTW, go for Hi-Caps. I don't think you'll like to reload every 10 seconds while under fire And get the bio-degradeable BB's when you play outside; they're still very cheap and completely bio-degradeable.

EDIT: What are some good BB sniper rifles?

 

[Terminator]

I have two MAC 11's, they are fun when used together but completely useless tactically (as you would expect)
They are great singly used in CQB, room clearing as it's so compact and high ROF.
In a forest against AEG's it's useless, it makes a good back up weapon for a sniper due to it's smg firepower but pistol dimensions i have used a mac 11 whilst sniping.

As suggested the FAMAS is a good starter gun, time tested, cheap etc, many hire sites use these, my friend had a famas and it was great the rate of fire is high and with the bipod it can be used as a support weapon, it's ideal for prone use because the magazine is quite short, whereas i have an ak47 and the magazine being long is rather annoying, firing from prone is a very important aspect in forest skirmishes.

You can't go wrong with a marui AEG really but i would discourage buying a G3 unless you use it as a support or sniper weapon as it is such a long rifle to move.

Depending on who you are playing against and what guns they use you could consider using a pump action shotgun, such as the marui spas 12 or M3, they are effective as 'close range sniping weapons' and suprisingly accurate nothing more satisfying then popping up shooting someone in the head with it and then pumping it but like i say if you are playing against pro guys with AEG's you'll get killed.
I think part of the fun of airsoft is it being a bit 'pick and mix' gun wise, tactically etc instead of paintball where most things have the same properties...i think airsoft where everyone uses an M4 w/ high cap mag an red dot is a bit boring.

 

[sinkoman]

Well, anybody know of any forums or sites where I might be able to pick up a used gun for a fair price?

It's either that or I jerry rig an RIS to the top of my gun using the front sight mounting hardware and a flushmount screw mounted near the rear, and then drop a cheap red dot site ontop of that.

Dumping 200 for a brand new gun is not something i'm very willing to do.

 

[Dog--]

Get the ones that are metal and shoot metal BBs/pellets. Plastic shooting ones are stupid and useless.

F*ck plastic, it's for losers! Real men use METAL.


Or be like me and get the metal guns that shoot metal darts - I love them, they stick inside people. (to be fair, the dart isn't all metal, it's got the fur back-part..)

 

[sinkoman]

Get the ones that are metal and shoot metal BBs/pellets. Plastic shooting ones are stupid and useless.

F*ck plastic, it's for losers! Real men use METAL.


Or be like me and get the metal guns that shoot metal darts - I love them, they stick inside people. (to be fair, the dart isn't all metal, it's got the fur back-part..)

?

We're not talking about the same thing. I'm talking about playing with people, ye know, with guns that won't embed a metal projectile 3 inches into your flesh.

I've already got a pellet gun for that.

 

[Dog--]

And.. I play with people too. (seriously)

I don't use the darts too often, but I do use metal BBs/Pellets. Everyone around here has those expensive ones, though (sniper rifles), so the only way I can keep up (I'm not rich) is with pistols! Pistols, pistols for all! bwah!

 

[sinkoman]

I thought about my situation, and came to the conclusion that I really am not willing to spend much money getting into airsoft, as i've already got one too many money sucking hobbies, and all my playing will be relegated to a bunch of kids dicking around in the forest with gbb pistols, spring shotguns, and generic 100 dollar AEGs.

So, i'm going to just fit an RIS of some sort onto the top of my gun, put on a cheap red-dot sight, and then either find a fair price silencer/barrel extension, or just make my own barrel extension.

Any red dot sights that you folks could recommend? I don't need much quality, I just need something that'll work, plain and simple.

 

[Cheomesh]

Well you can do scenario's with just a pistol. Put your mind to it.

I'd like to do an airsoft pistol fight in the woods sometime...sounds like it might be fun.

 

[giant384]

bleh airsoft is so boring. paintball rules!!!! dont waste money on airsoft. the guns break,the stocks break,they are weak,inaccurate, you cant tell if you hit someone unless your like 15 feet away.

 

[DESSTROYER]

bleh airsoft is so boring. paintball rules!!!! dont waste money on airsoft. the guns break,the stocks break,they are weak,inaccurate, you cant tell if you hit someone unless your like 15 feet away.

if you like to buy cheap 5 dollar guns

 

[Vegeta897]

bleh airsoft is so boring. paintball rules!!!! dont waste money on airsoft. the guns break,the stocks break,they are weak,inaccurate, you cant tell if you hit someone unless your like 15 feet away.

Quit being a troll with your nonsense unless you actually have a decent amount of experience with non-lpeg guns.

You call your own hits when you get hit. Perhaps such a system doesn't work with the amount of people like you who play paintball.

Inaccurate? Sorry, no. First of all, unlike paintball, the projectiles travel in a straight line for a good 100-150 feet, with the hop-up mechanism. Secondly, good guns are accurate, which you can use to your advantage what with all the realistic sights and scope options.

 

[Cheomesh]

bleh airsoft is so boring. paintball rules!!!! dont waste money on airsoft. the guns break,the stocks break,they are weak,inaccurate, you cant tell if you hit someone unless your like 15 feet away.

Typical paintaballer.

 

[Dynasty]

Best piece of airsoft advice i can give you:

PLAY TOURNAMENT/PRO PAINTBALL INSTEAD.

There, problem solved. Screw crawling around the woods and taking potshots then squeeling like a little girl to your mates when you shoot someone (IF you shoot someone, you can hardly see anyone half the bloody time). Play a REAL sport of pro paintball.

Faster. MOre aggressive. More tactical. More thought goes into your game. And you shoot 15 balls a second, creating a stream of paint to waste fools with.

PFFT, yeah, airsoft is 'awesome'...

 

[giant384]

umm ive had plenty of experience with airsoft so dont bring that bs in here. its just i dont see teh entertainment investing in cheap stuff that gets boring. also sites and scopes on an airsoft gun are ridiculous....do you not notice that most of the shots curve?

 

[Vegeta897]

... ive had plenty of experience with ... cheap stuff ...

Sorry that's all I could hear.

You've obviously been playing with shitty equipment. If 300 dollar full metal airsoft guns are "cheap" I don't know what the hell you want.

Oh and yes, obviously the entire airsoft community has been wasting their money on scopes and sights all this time. Giant384 says they curve! What the hell have we been thinking. I wonder why it tooks us this long for us to stop buying these scopes. Why didn't we notice that they didn't work?

Oh wait. They do. Obviously you didn't read my post at all. Do you know what hop-up is? Probably not because you've been using cheap-ass equipment.

Also, ?ynast?, your post makes me lol at how pitiful of an "argument" it makes. I don't even want to touch it because of how ridiculous and based-on-your-limited-experience it is. Squeeling like a little girl? Where the hell did you pull that out of? Also, not being able to see your enemy is something called concealment. It's a combat term, perhaps you're not familiar. Most people play airsoft for realism to actual combat.

I have no problem with you preferring paintball because you don't give a shit about being realistic, that's fine, paintball is a fine sport no greater or lesser than airsoft. But that doesn't mean you should come into an airsoft advice thread (read: not an airsoft vs. paintball thread) and talk shit with your ridiculous assumptions or tales of cheap guns or immature players.

"And you shoot 15 balls a second" Good for you. Do you know what full-auto is? All AEGs have it. Those that don't, aren't supposed to. Again with the realism. And I'm not dissing paintball either. I'm pointing out the ridiculousness of your "argument".

Also, how is paintball more tactical? We just got done talking about concealment. Also, you can have a loadout of a rifle and a pistol. Your team can have support members with machine guns, or snipers. I'd say that'd make airsoft a more tactical game than paintball where everyone has the same type of gun. But I'm not getting in to that.

 

[Cheomesh]

Best piece of airsoft advice i can give you:

PLAY TOURNAMENT/PRO PAINTBALL INSTEAD.

There, problem solved. Screw crawling around the woods and taking potshots then squeeling like a little girl to your mates when you shoot someone (IF you shoot someone, you can hardly see anyone half the bloody time). Play a REAL sport of pro paintball.

Faster. MOre aggressive. More tactical. More thought goes into your game. And you shoot 15 balls a second, creating a stream of paint to waste fools with.

PFFT, yeah, airsoft is 'awesome'...

Assholes like you are the reason I stopped playing paintball tbh.