Need some info on complete, cheap gaming systems.

Raziaar · Dec 29, 2004

Okay, so when I was visiting family, my uncle had given his three sons the ability to each get a gaming computer for 500 dollars, or to pool it together for one really nice one for 1500 dollars.

Now, they all like to play games alot, and not share very much, so it'll probably be best to get them each a system for 500 dollars or less that will play games well, and also so that they can network them together to play against each other. I think this is the best decision.

I'm used to buying a single, nice computer for myself, around the 1000-1500 dollar range, and don't have much knowledge in buying preconfigured PC's. I usually consider them of lesser quality, preconfigured and bundled in special deals. I know alot when it comes to buying computers, but usually just the parts that make them, and assembling them myself.

If any of you knows some good online sellers that do just this, offering high quality PC gaming systems for 500 dollars or less, please let me know.

I'm currently looking at pcboost.com but want to do alot of research first so I don't have them buy stuff they won't like. THey turned to me because I know alot about computers <chuckles>

bryanf445 · Dec 29, 2004

i doubt youll be able to get a good comp for that proce with a monitor

About · Dec 29, 2004

I used ecollegepc.com for my new compy. They had pretty good prices. u can customize the packages or add stuff to existing packages and stuff.

ankalar · Dec 29, 2004

Do they need monitors, speakers, mice, and keyboards as well?

EDIT: If they do, then tell them they should probably pool their money together, or maybe buy two computers instead of three or one.

Raziaar · Dec 29, 2004

ankalar said:
Do they need monitors, speakers, mice, and keyboards as well?

EDIT: If they do, then tell them they should probably pool their money together, or maybe buy two computers instead of three or one.

They do need all that stuff, yeah.

Shamrock · Dec 29, 2004

You should just tell them to wait then for $300 more. Or pool their money together and buy 2 seperate computers. There is no possible way unless you want Pentium 3 CPU's in there and a 10 gb hdd.

Gray Fox · Dec 29, 2004

I'm sorry raziaar but for 500,- you won't be able to buy a decent maschine even without the monitor,mouse and all those extras, listen do they have consoles, if they don't try to convince them to buy a ps2,gamecube,x-box, then they'll have 3 different consoles and enough money for a few games and they will enyoj high quality gaming without the need for a comp.

Raziaar · Dec 29, 2004

Grey Fox said:
I'm sorry raziaar but for 500,- you won't be able to buy a decent maschine even without the monitor,mouse and all those extras, listen do they have consoles, if they don't try to convince them to buy a ps2,gamecube,x-box, then they'll have 3 different consoles and enough money for a few games and they will enyoj high quality gaming without the need for a comp.

Yeah, they already have an x-box and PS2. Hmm

Raziaar · Dec 29, 2004

Hey guys, what do you think of this? www.pcboost.com

ASUS ASROCK P4S55FX+ Motherboard:
8X AGP
5.1 Channels AC97 audio
5 PCI Expansion Slots
8 USB 2.0 Ports
10/100Mbps LAN
Serial ATA 150 & IDE / ATA 133 Drive Support
Dual Channel DDR Support (Doubles Memory Bandwidth)

Intel Pentium 4 3.0GHz (800MHz FSB w/ Hyper threading) CPU

80GB Serial ATA 150 HDD

256MB PC3200 DDR

52x CD-Rom Drive, Aopen Speakers, Mitsumi Floppy Drive & Soft Touch Keyboard, & Microsoft Optical Mouse , Windows XP Home

nVidia Geforce 4 FX5200 128mb DDR 8xAGP video card

High Performance Intel Approved CPU Cooler & Front And Rear Quiet Case Fans

Impression 17" CRT Monitor.

1 year warranty.

All that, for 685 dollars. If I got two of them, that is only 54 dollars shipping and handling via fed ex with online tracking.

So for a near grand total of 1424, leaving some money left over.

You guys think this is a good idea? I've purchased through pcboost before, and they are a pretty good place to do online computer shopping.

Oh, and me and my brother already have ATI Radeon 9800 pro's in our computers... so some day should we choose to upgrade to something more advanced, my uncle's kids would already have free video card upgrades in that department.

goss · Dec 29, 2004

Yeah i think you should buy 2 computers so you can spend $750 on each. Then they should be ok. $500 each for a gaming computer is not enough mate.

goss,

goss · Dec 29, 2004

Raziaar said:
Hey guys, what do you think of this? www.pcboost.com

ASUS ASROCK P4S55FX+ Motherboard:
8X AGP
5.1 Channels AC97 audio
5 PCI Expansion Slots
8 USB 2.0 Ports
10/100Mbps LAN
Serial ATA 150 & IDE / ATA 133 Drive Support
Dual Channel DDR Support (Doubles Memory Bandwidth)

Intel Pentium 4 3.0GHz (800MHz FSB w/ Hyper threading) CPU

80GB Serial ATA 150 HDD

256MB PC3200 DDR

52x CD-Rom Drive, Aopen Speakers, Mitsumi Floppy Drive & Soft Touch Keyboard, & Microsoft Optical Mouse , Windows XP Home

nVidia Geforce 4 FX5200 128mb DDR 8xAGP video card

High Performance Intel Approved CPU Cooler & Front And Rear Quiet Case Fans

Impression 17" CRT Monitor.

1 year warranty.

All that, for 685 dollars. If I got two of them, that is only 54 dollars shipping and handling via fed ex with online tracking.

So for a near grand total of 1424, leaving some money left over.

You guys think this is a good idea? I've purchased through pcboost before, and they are a pretty good place to do online computer shopping.

Oh, and me and my brother already have ATI Radeon 9800 pro's in our computers... so some day should we choose to upgrade to something more advanced, my uncle's kids would already have free video card upgrades in that department.

Yeah that sounds like a good idea. But you need more RAM IMO. 512MB of RAM is recommended to run windows xp. Also for games it's needed.

Raziaar · Dec 29, 2004

Alright. I can do that. I can bump down the graphics card to this...

nVidia GeForce4 MX 440 64MB - 8xAGP

And bump up the memory to 512mb pc3200 DDR, bringing the grand total to 1488.25

Think that would work better? The graphics card won't be as good, but then again the other one wasn't that good anyways.

Besides, me and my bro have another nice geforce 4 laying around too, which we can stuff into one of their computers.

Want multiple opinions on this. I will continue to look for better deals and such, as I want the best for them for the money they have to spend.

Asus · Dec 29, 2004

109$ Sempron 2800+ (2GHz)
43$ ASRock K7VT6 (KT600)
68$ Mushkin PC2700 (CL2.5) 512MB
60$ WD 80GB 7200RPM 8MB Cache (3 year)
24$ Lite-On CD-RW
54$ Antec Case and Antec 300 Watt PSU
102$ Radeon 9600 Pro 128MB

total=460$ (plus Monitor, Keyboard, Mouse)

Compared to that system you pulled up pre-built, it's a little lower in CPU power but it has a much better video card which will help out a lot and 512MB memory is pretty much a must for gaming or doing anything more powerful than the Net or Word.

Like you mentioned, you can easily pick a low end video card instead of the one I linked to but it wouldn't be any where close to the performance. You could cut the memory to 256MB but that would hurt more performance than lowering the expense.

You could go with 40GB harddrives but this 80GB wasn't much more. The Sempron 2600+ is also a good alternative if you are really wanting to cut corners.
Oh but I did forget the OS, if you needed to spend anything on that.

Raziaar · Dec 29, 2004

Asus said:
109$ Sempron 2800+ (2GHz)
43$ ASRock K7VT6 (KT600)
68$ Mushkin PC2700 (CL2.5) 512MB
60$ WD 80GB 7200RPM 8MB Cache (3 year)
24$ Lite-On CD-RW
54$ Antec Case and Antec 300 Watt PSU
102$ Radeon 9600 Pro 128MB

total=460$ (plus Monitor, Keyboard, Mouse)

Like you mentioned, you can easily pick a low end video card instead of the one I linked to but it wouldn't be any where close to the performance. You could cut the memory to 256MB but that would hurt more performance than lowering the expense.

You could go with 40GB harddrives but this 80GB wasn't much more. The Sempron 2600+ is also a good alternative if you are really wanting to cut corners.

Now, asus, do you think it would be a better idea doing what you suggest, and getting three of the above that you mentioned, or going for something quite significantly better by getting only two computers? Three would be great, but I think two is more realistic, as it would enable them to share more easily than the current 'one' they have at home(its a good system, but they got suckered into those mid computer marketing schemes and have onboard graphics card and other horrible crap). There's also likely the chance one of them would be playing a console system of theirs at any given time anyways, so one computer at any given time might be unused. I dunno, hrm. Hard decisions.

What you listed above, That doesn't include the other smaller things like sound card, mice, keyboard, etc?

EDIT: You mentioned no OS either, that would tack on another 100 dollars each. Hmmm.

Asus · Dec 29, 2004

The system above includes everything except the Monitor (60-120$), Keyboard (15-30$), Mouse (15-40$) and OS.
The case comes with the power supply, the motherboard has onboard sound and NIC.

That system would play very well although you could improve it by a bit. It would be up to them I guess. For me, it would be enough to enjoy HL2 and other games like that. My brother has an Athlon XP 2000+, 512MB, GF4 4200 system and he plays HL2 deathmatch and WoW with my friends and I.

If they want to be able to all play together on their own PCs, that would be enough to have fun and runs games stable. If they wanted more power to run games at higher resolution/more FPS or extra features like a DVD burner then go with 2 higher end system. Which in that case, I'd recommend Athlon 64.

sinkoman · Dec 30, 2004

I'd say, stick with asus's specs, but switch out the current case with an aspire x dreamer II A much snazzier looking case IMO for only 3 dollars more. Also, then they can pick out different collors for each of thier pc's so they can make it more "thiers" and scream at each other "Red is better than Blue!" I'm gonna go with a black one of these for my next build.

Raziaar · Dec 30, 2004

I ask you this, how can I do what Asus suggests, if its almost 500 dollars for what he specifies, yet it lacks a keyboard, a mouse, an operating system, a monitor... all critical things that will shoot the price up more towards 700 bucks or higher, with quite an inferior processor. Hmm

sinkoman · Dec 30, 2004

Raziaar said:
I ask you this, how can I do what Asus suggests, if its almost 500 dollars for what he specifies, yet it lacks a keyboard, a mouse, an operating system, a monitor... all critical things that will shoot the price up more towards 700 bucks or higher, with quite an inferior processor. Hmm

You could probably scrap a keyboard and a mouse from a few old pc's. As long as they work hey? Os, you could meet somebody on the longhorn development team and get xp home for 10 bucks, like me :naughty: monitor, like the mice and keyboard, scrap a few. If you can't, then you're pretty much screwed.

Maybe ebay for a monitor and keyboard and mice also?

About · Dec 30, 2004

You could always buy in bulk and sell the rest.
:thesmileythatisshrugging:

sinkoman · Dec 30, 2004

Ask your uncle if he could give them 50-100 usd or so more. That would help with the situation. Don't let them (his kids) know you asked though.

If he says no, then why not do it out of your heart? i'm sure they will be really happy if you bought the monitor and OS for them.

Oh and like I said, scrap the mouse and keyboard or find a few on eBay.

Raziaar · Dec 30, 2004

sinkoman said:
Ask your uncle if he could give them 50-100 usd or so more. That would help with the situation. Don't let them (his kids) know you asked though.

If he says no, then why not do it out of your heart? i'm sure they will be really happy if you bought the monitor and OS for them.

Oh and like I said, scrap the mouse and keyboard or find a few on eBay.

Man, I don't have 600-700 dollars laying around to get 3 windows operating systems and 3 monitors. I'd love to help them, but I can't afford it.

sinkoman · Dec 30, 2004

Raziaar said:
Man, I don't have 600-700 dollars laying around to get 3 windows operating systems and 3 monitors. I'd love to help them, but I can't afford it.

Then see if you and your uncle can combine your money just to get the OS. Or maybe you could buy the os or monitors and he'll buy whatever you don't. Like, you buy os, he buys monitors. And you could get the bulk version of windows (not sure if that will save you much though)

If you can't do that, then maybe help them raise money together. I'm gonna guess they're around thirteen. Help them do chores to rais e enough money for the stuff they need. Help them go around the neighborhood and wash cars. I'm gonna paint address' on people's curbsides in a few of my friends neighborhoods to scrap toghether enough money for an fx processor. Shouldn't take you too long to get enough money like that. Be creative.

And remember, eBay is your friend.

Raziaar · Dec 30, 2004

Man. I might just have to look at ebay for a couple of the items, like monitors.

Here's what i've been looking at so far on newegg, if I was going to get three systems. Several hundred dollars over budget, but its not like its set in stone. I can take the information, and propose it to my uncle. <ponders>

ANTEC Solution Series Mid Tower Case with 300W Power Supply, Model "SLK2600AMB" - Retail $54.00

Lite-On White 52X32X52 Internal EIDE CD-RW Drive, Model SOHR-5238S, OEM $25.00

Western Digital 80GB 7200RPM IDE Hard Drive, Model WD800BB, OEM Drive only $52.00

Mushkin 184 Pin 512MB DDR PC-3200 - Retail $65.30

CHAINTECH "SPT800 Summit" VIA PT800 Chipset Motherboard for Intel Socket 478 CPU -RETAIL $48.00

Intel Pentium 4/ 2.4C GHz 800MHz FSB, 512K Cache, Hyper Threading Technology - OEM $137.00

Microsoft Windows XP HOME Edition With Service Pack 2 -OEM $92.25

CREATIVE Labs SBS260 2.0 Black Speaker System -RETAIL $12.99

ROSEWILL RADEON 9600 Video Card, 256MB DDR, 128-bit, DVI/TV-Out, 8X AGP, Model "RW9600-256D" -RETAIL $89.00

Now, that excludes a monitor, keyboard, and mouse. Vital computer components. And if you multiply all those by three, the extended price will be:
$1,726.62
+ 114.51 shipping and handling
--------------------------------
$1,841.13

Kind of pricey, and doesn't include those monitors. What do you guys think a good price would be to get some 15" or 17" monitors over ebay? And from the stuff I listed, any suggestions on what I could do to tweak it, by removing and ebaying to get a lower price to make it more manageable? I would like to go with an INTEL based system, since I have myself switched over from being an AMD fan after I have found better performance and quality with the INTEL processors i've had, not to mention less of a chance to fry it with the built in protection.

EDIT: just noticed the video card I picked was a 256mb. Card's can't yet utilize those that efficiently if I remember correctly, so i'll bump that down to the 128mb model.

ROSEWILL ATI RADEON 9600 Video Card, 128MB DDR, DVI/TV-Out, 8X AGP, Model "RW9600-128VD" 64Bit -RETAIL $64.99

That shaves off 72 dollars total from the overall price. Hmmmm....

Raziaar · Dec 30, 2004

Hmmm... I could also change the processor. Do you guys think changing the current one I listed from that, to this one to save 54 bucks, would be worth it?

Intel Pentium 4/ 2.26 GHz 533MHz FSB, 512K Cache - Retail $119.00

Would that change from 800mhz fsb, and the drop of 140MHZ and hyperthreading support affect performance much in a negative way?

EDIT: I could solve 'most' of my budget problems, if I could find some way to get a legal, fully operable windows XP home operating system for all three computers. You need 1 of them per computer, for them to work and be legal when it concerns microsoft right? Or is there some way they allow one operating system program for multiple computers in a home network? I remember the old days when you could install windows 98 on each system without needing more than one.

Oh, and I think I might have an extra windows XP home lying around from one of my older computers. Is it possible to use those for their computers legally?

RTFMy · Dec 30, 2004

AMD Athlon XP 2200+, 266 MHz FSB, 256K Cache Processor - OEM - $75.00

ECS "K7VTA3 V6.0" VIA KT333 Chipset Motherboard for AMD Socket A CPU -RETAIL - $33.00 - Onboard audio

Kingmax SuperRAM Series Dual Channel Kit 512MB (256MBx2) DDR PC-3200, Model MPXC22D-2K Retail - $70.50

CHAINTECH nVIDIA GeForce FX5200 Video Card, 256MB DDR, 128-bit, DVI/TV-Out, 8X AGP, Model "SA5200-256" -RETAIL - $80.50

KEYBOARD-2000 KB-118W Beige Keyboard PS/2 104keys -RETAIL $4.25

SAMSUNG 80GB 7200RPM IDE Hard Drive, Model SP0802N, OEM Drive only - $56.00

HKC 775CA 17" CRT Monitor -RETAIL - $94.00 after rebate

Dynapower Beige/Gray ATX Mid-Tower Case With 430W Power Supply, Model "E20-IL" -RETAIL - $27.00

I think thats everything, which comes to
$440.25

The Terminator · Dec 31, 2004

Raziaar · Dec 31, 2004

Heh, man. Why you guys so persistant about the AMD's? I like INTEL Pentium 4's.

Here's some revisions on what I posted above. Comments PLEASE!

ANTEC Solution Series Mid Tower Case with 300W Power Supply, Model "SLK2600AMB" - Retail $59.99

Lite-On White 52X32X52 Internal EIDE CD-RW Drive, Model SOHR-5238S, OEM $25.00

Western Digital 80GB 7200RPM IDE Hard Drive, Model WD800BB, OEM Drive only $54.00

MICROSOFT INTERNET KEYBOARD AND MOUSE PS/2 104keys -OEM $17.99

Mushkin 184 Pin 512MB DDR PC-3200 - Retail $65.30

CHAINTECH "SPT800 Summit" VIA PT800 Chipset Motherboard for Intel Socket 478 CPU -RETAIL $48.00

Intel Pentium 4/ 2.26 GHz 533MHz FSB, 512K Cache - Retail $119.00

CREATIVE Labs SBS260 2.0 Black Speaker System -RETAIL $12.99

ROSEWILL ATI RADEON 9600 Video Card, 128MB DDR, DVI/TV-Out, 8X AGP, Model "RW9600-128VD" 64Bit -RETAIL $64.99

All that, plus shipping at Newegg.com is $1,267.00

Now... that includes EVERYTHING except a monitor, and an operating system.

For the operating system, i'm thinking of(with more research first of course) going here, and getting three of these windows XP home licenses(I already have installation CD of my own to use in their computers).

http://www.computersystems2go.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=2295

Three of those licenses, comes to a grand total of $152.40

That, plus the above parts, adds up to 1419.4

That's UNDER 1500 dollars... and from there, i'm thinking of looking online at ebay to find some nice cheap 15" or 17" monitors, which should keep my grand total under 1600 dollars if I get some good deals on ebay.

What do you guys think? I noticed noone has commented on the specs I have been choosing from newegg, and instead are posting completely new ones. I'm liking where i'm going with the above, but want some second opinions.

sinkoman · Dec 31, 2004

Raziaar said:
Heh, man. Why you guys so persistant about the AMD's? I like INTEL Pentium 4's.

Because amd has Intel beat when it comes to gaming. If you're going to be gaming, it's amd, hands down. Now if you're doing stuff like multimedia editing, that's a different story.

And I wouldn't go with that case. Like I said earlier, Aspire x Dreamer II. Much better looking IMO and comes with a beffier psu, for less than your current case.

The Terminator · Dec 31, 2004

OK, get AMD, they are better for gaming plus they are cheaper. Pentium 4s arent very good compared to AMD A64s, and AXPs are way cheaper then P4s, and faster. Go with AMDs. And no offense, but for that 1227 you spent on that one comp, thats a shitty computer.

Raziaar · Dec 31, 2004

The Terminator said:
OK, get AMD, they are better for gaming plus they are cheaper. Pentium 4s arent very good compared to AMD A64s, and AXPs are way cheaper then P4s, and faster. Go with AMDs. And no offense, but for that 1227 you spent on that one comp, thats a shitty computer.

The 1227 was for THREE computers, not one.

EDIT: You guys are confusing the **** outta me. It's been years since i've purchased and built an AMD system. I don't understand the FSB speeds of them, the MHZ speeds, etc. I mean, they have them such as AMD Athlon XP 2200+, only 266MHZ FSB!? and only running at 1.8GHZ operating frequency? Seems quite inferior to me. Hmm.

And if they are so much cheaper... so me a system configuration including at least everything I listed in mine, up to 1500 dollars.

Not to mention all those AMD's are OEM without heatsink and fan included which cost extra money.

Asus · Dec 31, 2004

Oh you could go Pentium 4 if you wanted. If you were looking about 150$ or more for a CPU then I would really recommend Athlon 64 though as they really do beat the P4 hands down.

The Athlon XP or Sempron's do very well with performance as well although the Pentium 4 generally perform better when compared to similar AMD models. Now when you factor Price/Performance, lower AMD models generally look more favorable again. Games have always ran great on AMD systems too.

Some performance numbers

By the way, back in the day both Athlon and Pentium systems used to run at similar MHz/GHz but then Intel came out with the Pentium 4. It did less work per clock cycle but they clocked it higher. AMD on the other hand stuck with the more work per clock cycle so they had to add model ratings so the average buyer would understand that a 2000+ AMD chip ran equal to a Pentium 4 2GHz.

The P4 does about 6 operations per clock. The Athlon XP/Sempron does 9 and the Athlon 64 does 12. So AMD models have more 'torque'.

Raziaar · Dec 31, 2004

I'm getting incredibly stressed here. It's bad enough why I buy a PC for myself... but now I have to buy 'three' PC's on a very limited budget, and make sure that they are adequate for gaming to the extent that the kids are going to be using them.

Is there any way to keep much of what I had chosen at the new egg website, yet get more bang for hopefully less buck by switching the motherboard and processor to AMD? Since that is what you guys seem to be suggesting. I'd need help on picking a GOOD AMD processor and motherboard that could match or hopefully exceed the Pentium 4/ 2.26 GHz I had chosen. And if the video card is so bad for the price range, PLEASE offer a better suggestion that won't send me skyrocketing over budget!

ASPIRE X-Infinity Black ATX Mid-Tower Case with 350W Power Supply $57.00

Lite-On White 52X32X52 Internal EIDE CD-RW Drive, Model SOHR-5238S, OEM $25.00

Western Digital 80GB 7200RPM IDE Hard Drive, Model WD800BB, OEM Drive only $54.00

MICROSOFT INTERNET KEYBOARD AND MOUSE PS/2 104keys -OEM $17.99

Mushkin 184 Pin 512MB DDR PC-3200 - Retail $65.30

CREATIVE Labs SBS260 2.0 Black Speaker System -RETAIL $12.99

ROSEWILL ATI RADEON 9600 Video Card, 128MB DDR, DVI/TV-Out, 8X AGP, Model "RW9600-128VD" 64Bit -RETAIL $64.99

Now, if you can think of a good/cheap AMD processor and motherboard, let me know. Also the video card listed, if you can keep it below 1500 dollars. I need it all to be 1500 dollars, not including the monitors. The monitors can be a gift from me, but everything else needs to be below 1500 dollars, spread across 3 computer systems! I keep running around in circles here, and am about to pull my hair out.

The Terminator · Dec 31, 2004

The Terminator · Dec 31, 2004

If I was me, and I am, Id go with my systems for eitehr choice. 3 comps or 1, my choices are best I think.

Raziaar · Dec 31, 2004

The Terminator said:
If I was me, and I am, Id go with my systems for eitehr choice. 3 comps or 1, my choices are best I think.

So why do you think yours are best? I'm just curious, i'd like to know why you made the decisions that you did. Many of the components you have picked seem far cheaper than those that I had picked. I know money does not equate to quality, but are your products quality?

Reaktor4 · Dec 31, 2004

get barton 2500+s and oc them

Reaktor4 · Dec 31, 2004

Raziaar said:
So why do you think yours are best? I'm just curious, i'd like to know why you made the decisions that you did. Many of the components you have picked seem far cheaper than those that I had picked. I know money does not equate to quality, but are your products quality?

i disagree with both of you.. he picked a 2700+ when you can easily oc a cheaper 2500+ to 3200+. And he picked pc3200 ram when he only needed pc2700

Raziaar · Dec 31, 2004

Reaktor4 said:
i disagree with both of you.. he picked a 2700+ when you can easily oc a cheaper 2500+ to 3200+. And he picked pc3200 ram when he only needed pc2700

Lets not forget here, that I know nothing about overclocking. Argh. I'm never going to be able to decide!

The Terminator · Dec 31, 2004

I didnt tihnk hed overclock, so I went with decent parts that were already fast, and I the PC3200 I choose was quite cheap and didnt feel teh need to go to 2700.

RTFMy · Dec 31, 2004

I'd say just buy 1 computer, although they might not be happy at first, just explain to them that they wouldn't have much fun with just a $500 computer. They could keep a log or whatever to keep track of who used it and when, to keep everything fair. Taking turns and everything. Or you could ask their Uncle to wait a few months or so, and by that time he might have more money to spend.

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