New Hitman: Blood Money screenshots

[Cole]

As long as it's as good as Hitman 2...ill be happy.

 

[TheSomeone]

Axyon, why not let him have his opinion? No one is about to convince anyone, and it's not like you need to feel the need for other people to like the game as long as you like it.

It reminds me when the Battlefield 2 demo came out and there were tons of whiners bitching on forums saying "this game is shit I'm not buying it" and expecting sympathy, while all they got was "Good, because I don't feel like dealing with idiots like you on multiplayer." I know that's a bit more extreme than what you guys are doing, but try doing the "You opinion means nothing to me" viewpoint Axyon.

And by the way Axy, I think the graphics look extremely good. Plus, screenshots never really show off the graphics very well, and the trailer shows off very little. I can't wait to see it in action .

 

[Axyon]

Axyon, why not let him have his opinion? No one is about to convince anyone, and it's not like you need to feel the need for other people to like the game as long as you like it.

It reminds me when the Battlefield 2 demo came out and there were tons of whiners bitching on forums saying "this game is shit I'm not buying it" and expecting sympathy, while all they got was "Good, because I don't feel like dealing with idiots like you on multiplayer." I know that's a bit more extreme than what you guys are doing, but try doing the "You opinion means nothing to me" viewpoint Axyon.

And by the way Axy, I think the graphics look extremely good. Plus, screenshots never really show off the graphics very well, and the trailer shows off very little. I can't wait to see it in action .

Of course people are entitled to their own opinions, but when someone comes barging into a thread with comments like "Looks like average PS2 graphics with about the variation in people as the original Roller Coaster Tycoon. Won't be picking this one up.", I get annoyed. There's such a thing as constructive criticism, but this was completely unbased downputting. It seems more like it was said to provoke a reaction, rather than contribute anything.

 

[DreadLord]

Of course people are entitled to their own opinions, but when someone comes barging into a thread with comments like "Looks like average PS2 graphics with about the variation in people as the original Roller Coaster Tycoon. Won't be picking this one up.", I get annoyed. There's such a thing as constructive criticism, but this was completely unbased downputting. It seems more like it was said to provoke a reaction, rather than contribute anything.

It wasn't unbased at all. I can easily picture those screenshots being from a PS2 game, which is what I thought it was at first. And if you took the time to think about it, in the original RCT most people wore the same outfits, and if any different, it was just shirt / pant colors. EXACTLY like the screenshots you've posted.

Now that my opinion has been beaten to hell, I'll be sure not to post it in any of your threads. I'll try to accept these graphics as uber awesome as some of you think they are, and pretend I've never seen source/doom3/farcry/bf2/fear/wolf3d.

 

[chu]

As long as it's as good as Hitman 2...ill be happy.

From what I heard it will be and then some. I can't wait for all the customizations of weapons. :sniper:

 

[<RJMC>]

imo it looks thousands better that ps2 game

 

[Qonfused]

Of course people are entitled to their own opinions, but when someone comes barging into a thread with comments like "Looks like average PS2 graphics with about the variation in people as the original Roller Coaster Tycoon. Won't be picking this one up.", I get annoyed. There's such a thing as constructive criticism, but this was completely unbased downputting. It seems more like it was said to provoke a reaction, rather than contribute anything.

Most threads in any forum are opinions, this one included. I mean, let's take examples from YOUR OWN FIRST POST.

Easily the game I'm looking forward to most at the moment - there are new (well, 2 day old) screens up at IGN. Showing off the Opera mission, the shadow and normal/bumpmapping effects are really looking great and are doing a good job of modernising the series, as the previous titles have all suffered from looking quite bland.

The shot of 47 standing in the lobby with his trademark briefcase makes me feel all tingly inside

Those bolded are opinions and opinions only. So, for you to critizize his opinions is totally out of line.

 

[TheSomeone]

Axy, why are you taking it so personally? Who cares if he thinks the graphics look worse than anything in the world, it's not like it's your artwork

It wasn't unbased at all. I can easily picture those screenshots being from a PS2 game, which is what I thought it was at first. And if you took the time to think about it, in the original RCT most people wore the same outfits, and if any different, it was just shirt / pant colors. EXACTLY like the screenshots you've posted.

Dreadlord, name one 3D game that doesn't use clone models. Name just one game that uses a different model for each character.

Dreadlord, I think you're taking it a step too far comparing it to RCT. What you're doing is comparing a blue dog-house to a blue mansion. They're both blue houses, yet somehow they're completely different. How you can even compare a 32-bit sprite with a full normal-mapped 3D character model is way beyond me.

This is what a PS2 game looks like: http://pcmedia.ign.com/pc/image/hitman2_100702_023.jpg
This is what you are saying a PS2 game looks like:
http://pcmedia.ign.com/pc/image/article/642/642790/hitman-blood-money-20050817002953194.jpg

I'm sorry Dreadlord, but it looks like you have some serious perception problems. You have the right to your opinion, and I'm not trying to convince you shouldn't keep your current opinion, I'm just pointing out you're expecting way too much from games.

And we never said it was as good as F.E.A.R./DOOM III/Half-Life 2.

 

[Top Secret]

Hitman is great fun in my opinion.

Onto opinions:

Personally, I hate it when people just blatantly say something like "such and such sucks" or "This is retarded."

At least add IMO somewhere. It's obvious that things are people opinions, but sometimes it seems like people lose respect.

 

[TheSomeone]

And if you took the time to think about it, in the original RCT most people wore the same outfits, and if any different, it was just shirt / pant colors. EXACTLY like the screenshots you've posted.

I think this says enough about the validity of your argument.

 

[<RJMC>]

mybe that one is now just waiting for super realistic graphics now

 

[Top Secret]

I think this says enough about the validity of your argument.

You know that the game is not done yet, yes? It's quite possible that some things are missing from the game. Such as, I don't know, more character models?

 

[TheSomeone]

You know that the game is not done yet, yes? It's quite possible that some things are missing from the game. Such as, I don't know, more character models?

Uhh, try reading my post again, slowly this time. Notice the quote on top and how I'm not even adressing YOU, notice how he is comparing RCT to Hitman blood money, notice how I am saying it's ridiculous of him to say that (notice how there is a clip of RCT on top of the screenshot), then read my previous posts and notice how I said the graphics are really nice and that there are no games that use a different character model for each person, and finally notice how you stupidly jumped to conclusions and you should be ashamed of yourself.

Don't ASSume, you're only making an ass out of yourself.

 

[DreadLord]

I think this says enough about the validity of your argument.

Umm no actually that proves nothing. I didn't say the people in hitman look like the graphics from RCT, i said they have the variation of the people from RCT, which you proved quite well in your screenshot. Notice the people in RCT weaing all the same pants and shirts, notice the people in hitman wearing the same shirts and pants, and exactly the same dress. Thanks for proving my point though, I was getting tired of defending myself.

As for your comparison of "this is PS2 graphics etc.." look at his head in those two screenshots, looks almost exactly the same, COMPLETE lack of anti-aliasing.

And I damned well know you didn't say it looked like source/doom/fear whatever, but guess what, Source was released almost a year ago, it will have been over a year when hitman comes out. Don't you think it should look as good or better? Are my expectations really too high? Or are yours too low? Doom3 is even older than source, and guess what, this game looks absolutely terrible compared to that, 18 months later.

Now stop twisting my words and demolishing my opinion simply because I don't agree with you.

 

[Top Secret]

Uhh, try reading my post again, slowly this time. Notice the quote on top and how I'm not even adressing YOU, notice how he is comparing RCT to Hitman blood money, notice how I am saying it's ridiculous of him to say that (notice how there is a clip of RCT on top of the screenshot), then read my previous posts and notice how I said the graphics are really nice and that there are no games that use a different character model for each person, and finally notice how you stupidly jumped to conclusions and you should be ashamed of yourself.

Don't ASSume, you're only making an ass out of yourself.

Ohh, I'm about to tear this apart.

1. I don't need to read slow. I'm quite adept at reading.

2. I really don't give a shit if you were addressing me, or someone else. I commented on your post, deal with it.

3. I wasn't refering to all of your posts, I was refering to this one in particular. Notice how I quoted it?

4. Your opinions of the graphics of the game, have nothing to do with what I posted.

5. I simply pointed out that you are making a point, using a shot from an incomplete build. Which is rather... inconclusive.

6. I accept your apology in advance. And no, I'm not ashamed of myself. Why would I be? You're the idiot.

7. I haven't assumed.

8. I'm done with your meaningless squander. You can have the last word if you want, I don't care. Flame me if you wish even. Ciao.

*Bows*

 

[DreadLord]

Ohh, I'm about to tear this apart.
1. I don't need to read slow. I'm quite adept at reading.
2. I really don't give a shit if you were addressing me, or someone else. I commented on your post, deal with it.
3. I wasn't refering to all of your posts, I was refering to this one in particular. Notice how I quoted it?
4. Your opinions of the graphics of the game, have nothing to do with what I posted.
5. I simply pointed out that you are making a point, using a shot from an incomplete build. Which is rather... inconclusive.
6. I accept your apology. And no, I'm not ashamed of myself. Why would I be? You're the idiot.
7. I haven't assumed.

You realise that he was arguing with me, and your view agrees with his right? You do need to go back and read through again, I don't think you're as adept as you think.

 

[Axyon]

Most threads in any forum are opinions, this one included. I mean, let's take examples from YOUR OWN FIRST POST.

Those bolded are opinions and opinions only. So, for you to critizize his opinions is totally out of line.

Let's try some basic reading comprehension, shall we?

Of course people are entitled to their own opinions, but when someone comes barging into a thread with comments like "Looks like average PS2 graphics with about the variation in people as the original Roller Coaster Tycoon. Won't be picking this one up.", I get annoyed. There's such a thing as constructive criticism, but this was completely unbased downputting. It seems more like it was said to provoke a reaction, rather than contribute anything.

I was annoyed because his comments were really quite rude and derogatory, not because he simply had an opinion.

Umm no actually that proves nothing. I didn't say the people in hitman look like the graphics from RCT, i said they have the variation of the people from RCT, which you proved quite well in your screenshot. Notice the people in RCT weaing all the same pants and shirts, notice the people in hitman wearing the same shirts and pants, and exactly the same dress. Thanks for proving my point though, I was getting tired of defending myself.

Models using the same clothing? We've never heard of this in games, have we? Notice how all of the Combine Police, Zombies and Combine Soldiers use the same skins in Half-Life 2? I could have sworn I saw the same thing in the FEAR demo as well, and let's not talk about each class model in BF2 either.

As for your comparison of "this is PS2 graphics etc.." look at his head in those two screenshots, looks almost exactly the same, COMPLETE lack of anti-aliasing.

Since we can't see their faces, that's an unbased judgement. Your Anti-Aliasing comment makes me laugh - you do realise that AA has nothing to do with the Glacier game engine, yes? They're not responsible for forcing a hardcode of AA into the game, it's of optional use by your graphics card.

And I damned well know you didn't say it looked like source/doom/fear whatever, but guess what, Source was released almost a year ago, it will have been over a year when hitman comes out. Don't you think it should look as good or better? Are my expectations really too high? Or are yours too low? Doom3 is even older than source, and guess what, this game looks absolutely terrible compared to that, 18 months later.

Half-Life 2/Source cost $40 million to create, Doom 3 in that area too. IOI had nowhere near that budget to rewrite the Glacier engine and create a new game with it. Not everything can be a AAA graphical epic of a game, okay? Hitman has never been a series blessed with good graphics, so Blood Money is a huge improvement on the previous games - I think it looks pretty damn good, and apparently so does everyone else in this thread.

 

[Cole]

Half-Life 2/Source cost $40 million to create, Doom 3 in that area too. IOI had nowhere near that budget to rewrite the Glacier engine and create a new game with it. Not everything can be a AAA graphical epic of a game, okay? Hitman has never been a series blessed with good graphics, so Blood Money is a huge improvement on the previous games - I think it looks pretty damn good, and apparently so does everyone else in this thread.

Yeah, I love this quote...
Anyway, this is an improvment, and a very nice improvment. Combine it with gameplay enhancments, well designed levels...and I would totally fall in love with this game.

 

[DreadLord]

Half-Life 2/Source cost $40 million to create, Doom 3 in that area too. IOI had nowhere near that budget to rewrite the Glacier engine and create a new game with it. Not everything can be a AAA graphical epic of a game, okay? Hitman has never been a series blessed with good graphics, so Blood Money is a huge improvement on the previous games - I think it looks pretty damn good, and apparently so does everyone else in this thread.

Than stop making it sound like it is!! You say the graphics are awesome, but when i bring up a point that they aren't, you fall back on the "oh well hitman focuses more on gameplay" bs. Choose a side and stick with it. Yea those games use the same models, but guess what, all of those have a purpose, combine soldiers wear the same uniform, soldiers in BF2 wear the same uniform, etc.. PEOPLE IN REAL LIFE, DON'T WEAR EXACTLY THE SAME CLOTHES!!!

Now I'm done with this thread, all you do is whine that i stated my opinion, and then you fall back on the gameplay stuff when you can't back up yours.

Sorry to intrude on your thread.

 

[TheSomeone]

*Bows*

You realise that he was arguing with me, and your view agrees with his right? You do need to go back and read through again, I don't think you're as adept as you think.

Thanks for that actually dreadlord. I won't even bother directly responding to Top Secret since he's obviously doing a good job making a fool out of himself on his own.

I don't feel like debating this matter is one of my priorities, so I will leave it at that. Let's agree to disagree, shall we Dreadlord?

 

[jdufault]

Wow guys, lets put an end to the argument.. its ruining this nice thread


DreadLord1337 was pointing out that he was immediatly turned away by the games sub-par graphics, and that he was probobly not interested in the game because of that.



Axyon is a fan of the series, and is describing that even if the graphics are sub-par, they are still a huge improvement over the last series of hitman games.



I think that DreadLord1337 should maybe be less shallow in decisions on which games are good. You werent much of a counter-strike player were you dreadlord? The graphics were terrible, gameplay was near perfect for action/fps.


As for Axyon, I would have already given up getting my opinion accross, obviously you dont just look at the graphics when you play a game, you look for something more....and not to sound like a dick, but you should have just ignored Dreadlord's comment.



My opinion is that the graphics are good, but i mean, they arent hl2. Although when looking at the series, which I own. The graphics arent the selling point here, ill be looking forward to the game!

 

[Korgoth]

I have to chime in with this...

Hitman:Source < would rock!!!!
(first person view, ala dark messiah, neato physics, awesome graphics...)

/orgasm

 

[Axyon]

Than stop making it sound like it is!! You say the graphics are awesome, but when i bring up a point that they aren't, you fall back on the "oh well hitman focuses more on gameplay" bs. Choose a side and stick with it. Yea those games use the same models, but guess what, all of those have a purpose, combine soldiers wear the same uniform, soldiers in BF2 wear the same uniform, etc.. PEOPLE IN REAL LIFE, DON'T WEAR EXACTLY THE SAME CLOTHES!!!

Now I'm done with this thread, all you do is whine that i stated my opinion, and then you fall back on the gameplay stuff when you can't back up yours.

Sorry to intrude on your thread.

I've never once claimed that the graphics are up-to-par with the likes of Doom 3 or Half-Life 2, just that they are a huge improvement, as other people have noticed.

I take it that people in real life are also the same height, and have the same face colour and appearance... and that a headcrabbed scientist would have blood splattered on his shirt the same way every time as well, I take it? Stop trying to look at the 'big picture' and accept that consistency is a problem that still plagues all games, no matter what their budget is.

Now, since you're done with this thread (again), let's get back to the game.

 

[TheSomeone]

Now, since you're done with this thread (again), let's get back to the game.

I hope there are more indoor maps, the huge ass snow/ninja maps in hitman 2 sucked.

 

[Axyon]

I hope there are more indoor maps, the huge ass snow/ninja maps in hitman 2 sucked.

You'll be happy then, since IOI have stated there won't be any military-centered missions like in the previous games, rather they're now focusing on the civilian closer-quarters kind of Hitman foolery you know and love.

 

[TheSomeone]

That's really awesome to hear, I didn't know that.

 

[Top Secret]

TheSomeone/Dreadlord

Neither of you are getting my point. So I'll respond once again, as I apparently worded it poorly. I'm not argueing for, or against either of you. It was meant to be an observation, upon both of your observations. A third eye if you will.

You're basing your opinions off of an early build of the game. Nothing irks me more. That is all.

 

[TheSomeone]

You're basing your opinions off of an early build of the game. Nothing irks me more. That is all.

My opinion: the game looks good.
Do you think the game will look worse in more recent builds? Chances are it isn't, so my opinion, although based on a beta build, still manages to hold ground.

In any case, if that truly was what irked you, you would have scolded Axyon first since he was the first to say the game looked good based off of these screenshots.

In addition, you said "more character models, perhaps?" as if I was complaining that there was a lack of variety in character models, which is EXACTLY what I was arguing against.

 

[Top Secret]

Damnit, it was supposed to be directed towards BOTH of you. I just didn't quote him aswell, and I should have. So I apologize for my miss typing.