NEW!! Saints Row HD Video

[P43.2/1Gig/X800P]

I dont know about you guys but this was one of the games i was expecting at launch but didnt make it . Its looking Good IMO . What you guys think? Who here will be buying it? Also who here will say its just another GTA game And say they wont buy, but will anyways.

http://media.xbox360.ign.com/media/747/747896/vids_1.html

 

[Pauly]

Oh video, gunna watch it brb

 

[smwScott]

Wow ... that is pitiful. I've never seen a more blatant ripoff in my life. Sure there are plenty of GTA clones ... but goddamn, they aren't literally clones. They ripped it off so blatantly that I wouldn't be surprised if Rockstar could sue for copyright infringement ... just look at some of those gameplay videos, even the animations are extremely similar. It's obvious that the only reason this game even exists is for THQ to dip into the GTA market before GTA4 goes retail.

Although they did get David Carradine ... that's pretty cool.

 

[DeusExMachina]

If the games good, I'll buy it. I really don't ****ing care if it ripped off GTA by "OOO I CAN HIJACK VEHICLES."

GTA wasn't even the first game to do that.

 

[VictimOfScience]

Hahaha! That's next-gen??? Not looking too good imho. The character models are utter crap and the animations are crap as well. It doesn't look better than Vice City on the PC! Man, what a shame some devs just can't innovate and people actually pay to develop this tripe! Ugh...what a bore.

 

[VirusType2]

Looks awesome. I'm pleasantly surprised. I didn't expect this game to turn out to be something worth buying. Certainly not as good as GTA4 will likely be, but I'd buy it right now. I like how you can hit them with the butt of the weapon and then waste them.

Entertaining. All of the voice actors are big stars, and sound like they are perfect for it, and I think it's really important.

It will look righteous in high resolution. Isn't the resolution 3 times more than current gen consoles?

Did you see him driving around in the Caterpillar heavy construction vehicle? Holy shit that was priceless. I'm not trying to hype it all up or anything, but that looks fun. The game looks like it's realllllly tight in some of the videos - much better than the current GTA games, so even though it doesn't seem to offer anything new - except awesome physics, it still looks like it's going to be the best 'GTA' style game available for a while when it comes out.

 

[AiM]

While they pretty much stole pound for pound the entire GTA game, it still lacks the Rockstar style / quality behind it. I highly doubt it'll be the 'best GTA style' game in the sense that I don't see them coming close to the details like radio stations, humor, setting and writing. IMO they chose the worst GTA setting to clone, I loved the GTA3 Mafia grunt character and I hated the GTA:SA thugs / gangbangers crap.

 

[VirusType2]

While they pretty much stole pound for pound the entire GTA game, it still lacks the Rockstar style / quality behind it. I highly doubt it'll be the 'best GTA style' game in the sense that I don't see them coming close to the details like radio stations, humor, setting and writing. IMO they chose the worst GTA setting to clone, I loved the GTA3 Mafia grunt character and I hated the GTA:SA thugs / gangbangers crap.

Well, yea, it's a clone. It's like when someone put together a hamburger and french fries and a coke and called it a happy meal and had over 9 billion served. You realize a good idea, and try to be the best at it, and you call yourself Burger King or Wendy's or somethin'

Open world games like this are going to be the next FPS, (doom clone, doom clone, doom clone, WWII clone, WWII clone, WWII clone) so be prepared for tons of 'Me too's' in this genre. However, I hope that they all bring something new to the table, like this game, with it's on-line play and other features will.

It's actually almost guaranteed to be much better than the current GTA games. And I'll tell you why.


This is how far the game was when it was shown in 2005, before the 360 even launched, so you can expect it's got more to boast about than this now:
1) HAVOK Physics engine
2) Online Multplayer (12 player simultaneous)
3) Rampant car-jacking Gang warfare on-line.
4) at least 7 multiplayer game modes
5) Co-op.
6) Shader model 3
7) Fully customizable character, clothes, and cars. My gang won't be wearing purple or green chav clothes, I can tell you that.
8) The best in the industry proffesional actors for the voices.
9) The script is said to be better than many movies
10) 13 radio stations, plus you can plug in your MP3 player and other means and can have them mixed in there as well when you get in a car and boost the radio.
13) Normal mapping, I guess I should just say better game engine.
14) Everything you do earns you respect. So instead of just wandering around killing people for nothing but money.. which in Vice City was worthless anyway, you do things for respect for your gang, to rise up and take over the city.
15) Better implimentation of weapons and fighting

You can get a better idea of the game if you watch all of the videos. There were a few that were really impressive to me.

As you can see, the game didn't make the launch window of the 360, since they wanted to continue working on it to make it better. Trust me, this game is going to be one of the hottest games this year, until sometime in 2007 when GTA4 comes out.



I hope GTA4 does something really spectacular when it comes out next year, but for some reason I'm afraid they won't even have online gameplay or some other HUGE disapointment. I'm sure it will be 1 killer ****in game though.

 

[Gargantou]

It seems nice but I really want Mercenaries 2, Mercenaries 1 was THE best GTA clone I've played imo, how can you not like a GTA where you play as a mercenary in a war-torn country filled with koreans, chinese, americans and russians?
Too bad Mercenaries 2 might be a PS3 exclusive but I have to get a PS3 for MGS4 anyway..

 

[AiM]

The script which I quote from Eurogamer's account...

You play as a low level member of the 3rd Street Saints, "a gang trying desperately to take back the streets from three rival gangs that hold the city". And it’s the rival gang element that forms the rock of the game's determinedly non-linear sandbox structure, where players get to fight their way to control all three gang territories in any order to gain overall supremacy before getting to take on the corrupt officialdom. Under attack on all four sides of the map, it's ultimately up to you to consolidate and earn enough respect to work your way up the ladder up four levels of your gang to become the Kingpin.

Sounds like a copy-cat clone of GTA:SA, which personally I thought had the worst one in the series by far. But I can't judge it until it's seen, but my impression seems it does not surpass those of hollywood movies. It sounds more in line of the generic videogame plot.

Everything you do earns you respect. So instead of just wandering around killing people for nothing but money.. which in Vice City was worthless anyway, you do things for respect for your gang, to rise up and take over the city.

They completely stole that out of San Andreas, they didn't even try to disguise it by calling it something else. In Vice City, you actually used the money towards buying property in the city. The system worked great and I loved it, it actually felt like you were working your ways towards "owning" the city. In SA, I hated the stupid gang wars for territory crap, mainly because I dislike the whole 'gang' premise of it all.

8) The best in the industry proffesional actors for the voices.

I'm looking at the imdb list and claiming they're the best might be a slight exagerration. Micheal Clarke Duncan is the only one that strikes me as a legitimate actor. David Carradine owes his only worthwhile performance entirely to Quintin Tarrantino, hell if Kill Bill's were never made DC would be a completely unknown D list actor. But more importantly, I'm more curious of what roles they're suppose to play. Vice City struck gold with Ray Liotta, the character was perfect for him and it was done extremely well. San Andreas they blew it and wasted Sam Jackson's voice since the main character CJ completely blew chunks.

I don't know about you but having only 12 players online seem's pretty small, especially in the scope of the game (they estimate VC sized areas). I've played the GTA mod's online and if there were only 12 players I'd never see a soul. A good co-op mode is rarely ever made, it's not impossible (Spliter Cells on PC have great ones, the console ones blow) but highly unlikely, we'll see how that turns out.

smwScott has a good point, I don't see how this isn't IP Infringement on the GTA series? I mean having cloned games is nothing new, but they nearly always put in different names and change things ever so slightly at the very least. This game is GTA:SA 1 1/2, all the features are directly copied and the gameplay resemblence is undeniable.

Everything you listed there doesn't make a game 'great' to me, in fact it does nearly the exact opposite of me. I value substance of the game (characters, story, gameplay, setting, style), everything else is just gravy to me. A prime example of this is Shadow of The Collosus, it's got terrific gameplay and style and lacked all those distractions. The game didn't need all the fancy licensed physics and graphics engines, no changing clothes / bling, no 100's of weapons (just 2 default ones, a few unlockables afterwards I think), no custom MP3's, none of it. It had great gameplay fused with actual innovation, the end resulted in an experience better than any GTA has offered.

 

[Lucid]

Wow, that looks like shit. o_o
When he drives CAT, I'm pretty sure that is not how they act in real life.
Bouncing up and down all over the place?
Being unable to run over a tree?
x.x

 

[Kangy]

GTA:SA in HD without the countryside and planes? Sounds like a bag of shit, those were the fun things about SA!

 

[jimbo118]

It seems nice but I really want Mercenaries 2, Mercenaries 1 was THE best GTA clone I've played imo, how can you not like a GTA where you play as a mercenary in a war-torn country filled with koreans, chinese, americans and russians?
Too bad Mercenaries 2 might be a PS3 exclusive but I have to get a PS3 for MGS4 anyway..

looking to pick up a copy of merc 1 on ps2 atm, always wanted to play it.

OT game looks pants tbh.

 

[Agent.M]

This game looks dope Im definitely picking this one up!

 

[DeusExMachina]

The script which I quote from Eurogamer's account...

Sounds like a copy-cat clone of GTA:SA, which personally I thought had the worst one in the series by far. But I can't judge it until it's seen, but my impression seems it does not surpass those of hollywood movies. It sounds more in line of the generic videogame plot.

They completely stole that out of San Andreas, they didn't even try to disguise it by calling it something else. In Vice City, you actually used the money towards buying property in the city. The system worked great and I loved it, it actually felt like you were working your ways towards "owning" the city. In SA, I hated the stupid gang wars for territory crap, mainly because I dislike the whole 'gang' premise of it all.

I'm looking at the imdb list and claiming they're the best might be a slight exagerration. Micheal Clarke Duncan is the only one that strikes me as a legitimate actor. David Carradine owes his only worthwhile performance entirely to Quintin Tarrantino, hell if Kill Bill's were never made DC would be a completely unknown D list actor. But more importantly, I'm more curious of what roles they're suppose to play. Vice City struck gold with Ray Liotta, the character was perfect for him and it was done extremely well. San Andreas they blew it and wasted Sam Jackson's voice since the main character CJ completely blew chunks.

While I wasn't a big fan of SA's gang plot or main characters very much, there's no denying it was the most fleshed out GTA story with the most fleshed out characters.

And Michael Clarke Duncan = legitimate actor? Are you kidding me? What about Keith David (Platoon, Spawn Animated Series, Requiem for a Dream), Clancy Brown (Carnivale, hell Spongebob Squarepants), Freddy Rodriguez (Dead Presidents, Dallas 362), Michael Rapaport (Cop Land, True Romance). And do not insult David Carradine. He's the goddamn man.

 

[MultiVaC]

I don't really have a problem with GTA "clones" as longs as the have at least something different besides little things like plugging in your MP3 player. Like Mercenaries, it had its own setting and style to it. But this game doesn't just copy GTA's free-roaming sandbox element, it has the exact same setting and style, there is nothing original about it. What does this game have that's actually creative and not ripped off of GTA? Havok physics and multiplayer are not creative, they are obvious additions that modern games are expected to have.

 

[^Ben]

Yawn... Oh DarkMessiah is a rip off of Oblivion!

Saints row is a rip off for GTA!

It's the same with everygame that has an ounce in common, if this game is good then it's good.

 

[Reginald]

"Dirty Sluts #7 is a rip off of HArdcore Slags #9" - Someone said that once.

 

[smwScott]

Yawn... Oh DarkMessiah is a rip off of Oblivion!

Saints row is a rip off for GTA!

It's the same with everygame that has an ounce in common, if this game is good then it's good.

No.

There are lots of games that borrow heavily from GTA, but they are either different enough or improve enough on the basic formula to make them stand out. Driver focuses almost entirely on car chases and other vehicular muscle car gameplay. The Getaway has a serious story, realistic setting, and focuses mostly on being a third person shooter. Mercenaries switches the action to a military setting and changes a bunch of stuff.

This game is GTA. It's not that they "have an ounce in common." It's more like a knock-off brand, such as Soni or fOKLEYS. They aped everything, absolutely everything. I wouldn't be surprised if a portion of this games sales are because of sheer confusion. Wait until the ad-campaign comes around, I guarantee it will be very GTA style.

Not to mention it will probably be rubbish.

 

[AiM]

While I wasn't a big fan of SA's gang plot or main characters very much, there's no denying it was the most fleshed out GTA story with the most fleshed out characters.

And Michael Clarke Duncan = legitimate actor? Are you kidding me? What about Keith David (Platoon, Spawn Animated Series, Requiem for a Dream), Clancy Brown (Carnivale, hell Spongebob Squarepants), Freddy Rodriguez (Dead Presidents, Dallas 362), Michael Rapaport (Cop Land, True Romance). And do not insult David Carradine. He's the goddamn man.

The main character (CJ) was absolute rubbish, the only worthwhile characters from memory were the two corrupt cops and the CIA / Governement agent (James Woods). Personally I view GTA3 having better characters, the main character (Fido) allowed you to envision him however you wanted him to be. His 'girlfriend' took a great twist and his ex-girl was crazy but interesting, she was in GTA:SA too I believe.

As for your actors, I completely forgot about Keith David, my mistake there. What I meant as a legitimate actor was referring to VirusType2's claim that they were "The best in the industry proffesional actors for the voices". I'm sorry but I wouldn't consider Clancy Brown, Freddy Rodriguez, Michael Rapaport as some of the best the industry has to offer. David Carradine is not the goddamn man, QT created an awesome character for him in Bill but aside from that, the man hasn't done jack shit as a lead role.

Yawn... Oh DarkMessiah is a rip off of Oblivion!

Saints row is a rip off for GTA!

It's the same with everygame that has an ounce in common, if this game is good then it's good.

Far from it, these games all innovate on the established genre. Saint's Row just copied the formula and changed the title with an added Multiplayer.

 

[DeusExMachina]

Clancy Brown was amazing in Carnivale. You ever see it? It was a show on HBO.

Didn't you ever see Kung Fu?! David Carradine's best known role.

David Carradine freaking kicked my friend. He challenged him to a kung fu match and just kicked him. You won't see any other actor doing that.

But still, this game looks entertaining as hell. If it gets good reviews, I think this'll be a game I'll pick up with my 360.

 

[smwScott]

David Carradine is the goddamn man. Yeah QT brought him back and gave him a good chance but he really ran with it and did a great job. In addition he's also been in a few other serious movies I believe, not just that Kung Fu TV show and Chuck Norris movies. His voice is also excellent, I'm disappointed Rockstar didn't get him first.

 

[VirusType2]

As for your actors, I completely forgot about Keith David, my mistake there. What I meant as a legitimate actor was referring to VirusType2's claim that they were "The best in the industry proffesional actors for the voices". I'm sorry but I wouldn't consider Clancy Brown, Freddy Rodriguez, Michael Rapaport as some of the best the industry has to offer. David Carradine is not the goddamn man, QT created an awesome character for him in Bill but aside from that, the man hasn't done jack shit as a lead role.

In checking out one of the in-game cinematics, we were able to catch an earful of some of the celebrity voice cast being tapped.

Full Cast and Crew for Saints Row:
http://13thfloor.imdb.com/title/tt0477848/fullcredits

If you click on any of the actors names there, it will show you most of their other TV shows and movies they have been in. Most have been in dozens - if not a hundred shows and movies.

All I have to say is that Saints Row has Micheal Duncan, one of my favorite actors:

http://13thfloor.imdb.com/name/nm0003817/



Here is something cool that they have in the game:

We got to check out "insurance fraud," which lets you make yourself the unfortunate "victim" of any number of mishaps (all of which have a handy monetary value). Simple stuff like falling does OK in the cash department, but if you want to hit the big time then you'll need to get hit by a car. Obviously, there's some danger involved, as you'll want to take enough damage to yield cash, but not so much that your health is totally depleted and you die. It's a fine line to walk, but it's certainly an interesting thing to try.

Here is something else that is very cool:

thanks to a day-and-night cycle that shows off the 360's processing power. You'll see all manner of subtle lighting elements slowly crop up as the time cycles between night and day.

 

[VictimOfScience]

I don't care about the day night cycle or how wonderful the lighting is. The game looks to have the exact same gameplay as the last 4 GTA games and hardly updated graphics. Sure the cars might look shinier, but the rest of the models are utter pants. This looks like nothing more than a cheap ploy to capitalize on GTA popularity before the real deal gets released later next year. And this is the problem with much of what has been dubbed "next-gen" heretofore. Put a slicker finish on already tired gameplay and voila--next-gen gaming! Ugh, it makes me sick--Hollywood and game devs have been showing off so little creativity of late that its enough to make you want to do nothing but read actual books from here on in!!

If you buy it, just know that $60 worth of tripe is a lot to swallow no matter what your appetite.

 

[VirusType2]

I don't care about the day night cycle or how wonderful the lighting is. The game looks to have the exact same gameplay as the last 4 GTA games

Since the gameplay in GTA was great, that's a bad thing?

I understand what you are saying, but it doesn't bother me that it's a copy-cat game if it's fun to play.

I think a little competition is good. Who knows? GTA might even take an idea/s from this game and put it in their GTA4.

Every successful game has seen tons of clones, it's nothing new. Tetris, for example, had dozens of spin-offs. Dr. Mario, Columns, and dozens of others. You could say that the 1,000's of side-scrolling platform games from the 80's and 90's were a clone of Super Mario Bros. on the NES/Arcade.

I hate to say it, new ideas in video games are generally rare.

 

[VictimOfScience]

Since the gameplay in GTA was great, that's a bad thing?

Well, its pretty tired now unfortunately. The gameplay was great up until San Andreas and that frankly bored me. I didn't come close to "finishing" it.

Every successful game has seen tons of clones, it's nothing new. Tetris, for example, had dozens of spin-offs. Dr. Mario, Columns, and dozens of others. You could say that the 1,000's of side-scrolling platform games from the 80's and 90's were a clone of Super Mario Bros. on the NES/Arcade.

Yup, and most of the clones were crap. I wouldn't say that every side-scroller was a SMB clone though. Many brought a lot of diversity to gameplay--just look at Castlevania, Contra, Rolling Thunder, Rastan, Mega Man, etc. All side scrolling (sometimes more) but all very different gameplay. Its this lack of new gameplay dynamics that make this just another clone to me and, as such, a meh title.

I hate to say it, new ideas in video games are generally rare.

All too true. That is why it is so great that there are so many indie developers who don't have to answer to a board of directors or other such suits in order to get their game out. Games like Darwinia, Defcon, Psychonauts, many DS games, potentially many Wii games, Fahrenheit, Okami, Shadow of the Colossus and Ico before it, and many many more really reenforce the idea that shiny new graphoics don't necessarily a good game make. Its gameplay that matters.

 

[Tyguy]

XBOX 360 still exists?

 

[OmegaX]

Yes it does, fanboy.

 

[AiM]

Full Cast and Crew for Saints Row:
http://13thfloor.imdb.com/title/tt0477848/fullcredits

If you click on any of the actors names there, it will show you most of their other TV shows and movies they have been in. Most have been in dozens - if not a hundred shows and movies.

All I have to say is that Saints Row has Micheal Duncan, one of my favorite actors:

Quality over quantity my friend.

Micheal Clarke Duncan was absolutely fantastic in The Green Mile (imdb vastly underrated if I remember correctly).

Anyway, enough about actors, I've voiced my opinion and there's nothing more I can add. The game doesn't sound fit for me (I prefer Mafia / The Getaway for the genre) but I'm sure it'll be for others.

 

[Gargantou]

I admit I'll probably get this if it's good, but when it comes to 'GTA' influenced games I'm far more excited for Just Cause, it has a far more original setting and fun gameplay it seems, but we'll just have to wait

 

[Cormeh]

I'll keep an eye on it, but after the hideous nightmare that was True Crime: NYC, I'm not exactly filled with confidence.

 

[oik]

volition have said that they are ripping off gta,and I for one am glad they are,I dont understand why people care that there ripping off gta,its not your game there trying to copie.

 

[VictimOfScience]

volition have said that they are ripping off gta,and I for one am glad they are,I dont understand why people care that there ripping off gta,its not your game there trying to copie.

I care only insofar as by ripping it off pretty much directly, they are not really adding anything new to the gameplay. If its the same old GTA style game that we have come to know and grow bored of, then is it that much better merely due to the fact that it sports more pixels here and there? I mean really, did you guys watch those vids?? The models are weak weak weak! The authentic hip-hop homework they did does absolutely nothing for me as well. As far as I am concerned, this is just the same pile of boring crap with a new coat of shellac so as to fool people into thinking that it doesn't stink. Have fun with that....

Vice City was the last GTA that I cared about in any meanignful fashion.

 

[Asknoone]

That was a big bunch of awful.

 

[P43.2/1Gig/X800P]

We will all get it . You know it . or at least rent it.

 

[Iced_Eagle]

Demo is getting released August 1, so I'll decide if it's going to be a buy or not...

 

[oik]

I care only insofar as by ripping it off pretty much directly, they are not really adding anything new to the gameplay. If its the same old GTA style game that we have come to know and grow bored of, then is it that much better merely due to the fact that it sports more pixels here and there? I mean really, did you guys watch those vids?? The models are weak weak weak! The authentic hip-hop homework they did does absolutely nothing for me as well. As far as I am concerned, this is just the same pile of boring crap with a new coat of shellac so as to fool people into thinking that it doesn't stink. Have fun with that....

Vice City was the last GTA that I cared about in any meanignful fashion.

they are adding new stuff,that will make the gameplay alot more fun (physics,ragdoll ect) .. but you do make a good point .
All I know is that ill buy the game,coz the only thing im kinda iffy on is the car handling,it looks abit odd in the videos

That was a big bunch of awful.

Are you talking about my previous comment?