Nihilanth is engeneered by combine?

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This is prolly old, but I'm a new member of these forums, and a HUGE fan of Half Life 2, and it's awsome storyline (like HUGE fan... love the gman lol).

Anyway, I was just playing through half life source, and while fighting nihilanth, it became obvious to me, that the implant it has (The one that is probably making it hover) is most probably there because the Combaine tried to make a synth of something out of him/it. It's voice sounds kinda.. tourchured and stuff, and the mechanism it has implanted into it looks alot like Combain technology (Which is probably just a coincidense, but still). This also explains the surgical scar, and his butt-ugly face. Is this true?
 
A while back, after a massive forum debate, an email was sent off to Marc Laidlaw, responsible for the Half-Life story. His reply revealed once and for all that the Combine's prior involvement with the Xen race (or rather races) was simply that the Xenians have been hiding from the Combine. There were no Combine on Xen.

In one fell swoop it put to death a lot of speculation about how the structures and levels of Xen had their similarities to the Citadel etc. Nihlianth was thought of as a Vortiguant equivilent of Dr Breen. Grunts correspond with the Combine Human soldiers, because they seem to be artificially created "powered-up" versions of the Vortiguants. Because the combine weren't actually on xen, the correlation is probably down to Nihlianth learning the Combine's methods and thereby using it to control the Vortiguants and wage war.

The story behind Nihlianth's surgical scars has been speculated on for nearly a decade, but there doesn't seem to be anything to actually conclusively say about them. The whole Xen hierarchy hasn't been fully explained, it would be nice if they would... but the problem is that only the Vortigaunts have seemingly survived into the later Half-Life games. Grunts and Controllers seem to be extinct, and the Gargantua (if it is actually related to the Vortiguants) has only been hinted at in aged development docs.
 
Thanks. I knew about the surgical scar speculation, but I didn't know about the announcement. Thanks forr clearing that up again:D .

That's kinda strange though... If noone put that implant into Nihillath, did he do it himself? I mean, he seems to be the only one of his kind, since you only see one of him... ever. So how did he come about? Is he offspring? Is he a hermaphrodite? Is he even biotic?:rolling: :rolling: :rolling:


Oh, and i always inferred that the gargantula was a part of Race X, due to the absence of the chest-hand and most characteristics of a vortigaunt... Of course, the fact that it blows up when it dies might suggest that it's a robot or synth...

Whatever happened to Race X anyway? Was there ever any hints at whether we'll be seeing them (or a trace of them) in later half life games?
 
Laidlaw mentioned that was gearbox's venture. So probably Race X won't be coming back.
 
Nihilanth may barely escaped Combine. Maybe he escaped when they were trying to turn him into a synth. Or maybe that implant was a must have in Xen 2000 fall-winter season. You know, "piercings are soo last year!"
 
Sman said:
Thanks. I knew about the surgical scar speculation, but I didn't know about the announcement. Thanks forr clearing that up again:D .

That's kinda strange though... If noone put that implant into Nihillath, did he do it himself? I mean, he seems to be the only one of his kind, since you only see one of him... ever. So how did he come about? Is he offspring? Is he a hermaphrodite? Is he even biotic?
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Yes, he's organic, but not a natural creature. I believe the Nihilanth to be a construct, built by the controllers. The similarity in their look and abilities, the obvious stitches that imply he was sewn together. I've always thought of him as something like a living god that the controllers built, both a leader and a vessel that can harness the massive teleport energies that they cannot.

The surgical scars are the work of the controllers, not the Combine. They stitched in a third arm, and that's not something the Combine would have done, as it'd be wasteful excess parts.

I personally can't get behind the idea that Nith was ever captured by the Combine and underwent even partial synthification. Seems unlikely to me. This is a being who's been teleporting around the inhabitants of an entire planet (not just sentient species but indigenous fauna, and possibly flora) across galaxies. The odds that such a being could be captured by the Combine is almost nil.

While Nith's seat is mechanical, and there are little non-organic creations made by the Xenians, they do have some metalworks. The collars of the vortigaunts, for example. It wouldn't be entirely unheard of for them to have made the Nihilanth's armbands and platform out of similar metal. Remember too that the Combine don't actually use metals either...all their synths have semi-organic carapaces.

Oh, and i always inferred that the gargantula was a part of Race X, due to the absence of the chest-hand and most characteristics of a vortigaunt... Of course, the fact that it blows up when it dies might suggest that it's a robot or synth...

Whatever happened to Race X anyway? Was there ever any hints at whether we'll be seeing them (or a trace of them) in later half life games?
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Gargantuas are closer to snarks than anything else on Xen. They're a part of whatever world the other Xenians came from, which is different from Race-X.

And Race-X is dead to the HL storyline. Valve dislikes them, as does the overwhelming majority of the HL community. We will not be seeing them again.
 
which is a pity, cos I thought they were coo' :'(

*flashback to playing ring-a-ring-a-rosies with race x while xenians sit back and cry*
 
Darkside55 said:
This is a being who's been teleporting around the inhabitants of an entire planet (not just sentient species but indigenous fauna, and possibly flora) across galaxies. The odds that such a being could be captured by the Combine is almost nil.
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Well, the odds of him being taken down by a mere theoretical physicist on his worst day at work ever are almost nil, but...
 
By a theoretical physicist, yes.

A theoretical physicist with a crowbar...
 
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People reading stickies and/or using the search button on Halflife2.net?!

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Actually Darkside, we don't know for how long the Xenians (sic!) were hiding out in Xen, and Nihilanth doesn't necessarily have to be the Controller's creation. If he was, which creature would be chosen, that doesn't have any third limb?

Also, the Nihilanth's anal probe is far too complicated and different from the metalworks on the grunts and slaves.

My take is, Nihilanth has been an early version of a synth of the Combine, a prototype if you wish, which was experimented upon to find the most appropriate method of augmenting the controllers, being mutated and surgically altered, jammed with cybernetic mechanisms and whatnot.

The escape would've happened when the Combine did something wrong, and the Nihilanth was woken up in the chamber he was kept in. With the new, albeit crude, augmentations, he destroyed much of the facility, using his amplified teleportation powers later to get his people out.

The augmentations Combine did on the Alien grunts and slave collars on the Vortigaunts proved to be useful in estabilishing a new home on Xen and prepare a military force in the event Combine decides to, uh, catch up.

Over time, the Nihilanth's domain grew, and controllers were used to maintain his presence and oversee his minions, as the slavery continued in the name of "preparing against the combine invasion". Harvesters (single-tail mantas) kept gathering resources, while two tails and grunts protected the Vortigaunts working on the drilling equipment and maintaining it.

The lesser master, as the Vortigaunts reffered to him, since their slavery was not over, despite their escape, grown tired of him, and while they couldn't be openly rebellious, they started thinking of how to overthrow him possibly (Gordon interrupted one such meeting, during the initial Resonance Cascade teleportation spree). Our favourite physicist proved to be a good tool for them. as while they couldn't oppose direct instructions to attack him, they helped him as best as they could (eg. the factory Vorts ignoring you, or the drilling machine maintenance), But, since the Controllers maintained their control over them, they often had no choice but to attack.

The ones appearing in Black Mesa were aggressive due to them being thrust into a completely alien and hostile environment (BMRF security guards and turrets anyone?).

With Gordon Freeman defeating the Nihilanth, and destroying the sole source of power of the Controllers, the Vortigaunts were free. The lesser master lay defeated, the greater (but former) master will fall in time. And while they mourn the loss of those forced to fight Freeman (and die), they are grateful to the Crowbarman for freeing them.

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I think the Controller enslaved the Vortigaunts themselves, or rather, they evolved together with a slave and master bond between the species. The Contollers had a natural affinity with portals and physcic power and Nihilanth was made a super-controller, either by the Combine or the Controllers I don't know. He was put in charge of all the Vortigaunts and regulating portals. Even if he was made by the Combine, I think the stickes are the Controllers' work. Nihilanth could well be millenia old and requires some surgery every once in a while to keep him going.
 
Mikael Grizzly said:
Actually Darkside, we don't know for how long the Xenians (sic!) were hiding out in Xen, and Nihilanth doesn't necessarily have to be the Controller's creation. If he was, which creature would be chosen, that doesn't have any third limb?
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I don't think he was a creature. I think he was BUILT. From scratch.

The Nihilanth is a controller on a large scale. They share far too many similarities for it not to have been built by them. All sentient beings from their world share the third arm characteristic, which means any other creatures in their biological tree must have that third arm. Because we see the Nihilanth did not, and yet is a sentient creature, there can only be two solutions: he was either made, or he is from a different branch of sentient being. However, the latter is outlandish, completely out of left-field. Plus, evolving basically the same physiology as the controllers? The only difference is the obvious size, and the face.

No, I am certain the Nihilanth was built by the controllers. I can picture them crowding around this unformed beast, building it up with manufactured bones and organs, stitching skins over its frame, adding the third arm to its chest to complete the look. Then, gathering their energies, they pour them into the Nihilanth's body, not only to give him life but to imbue him with the ability they themselves do not possess. As Riomhaire said, controllers have an affinity for portals, but they cannot even port themselves. In Nihilanth, they have created a being large enough and strong enough to handle these massive teleport energies, and thus pooling their power, give him the ability to teleport not only them, but their entire world if need be (I believe him to have been constructed before the Combine threat). Thus they have created a living god in their own image, to lord over them and serve their race as they worship him.

Also, the Nihilanth's anal probe is far too complicated and different from the metalworks on the grunts and slaves.
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You can't really say that. The armaments of the grunts and the restraints of the vortigaunts are simple things. Grunts have a helmet and shoulder pads; what else is required but molding metal in those convex shapes? Vortigaunts have armbands that must have some technologically advanced parameters because they allow them to fire at enemies, but never at their masters. Their collars are simple: take two pieces of metal, add a hinge to one side and a clasp to the back, and you have a yoke.

We don't know what the Nihilanth's chair does. Is it just a chair for him to lounge in? Is it a levitating platform, because he is too large to float under his own power? Could it contain some of his internal body parts? Is there a reason for all the spokes on the bottom? We don't know how technologically advanced that particular piece of work is, so it cannot be said that the controllers didn't make it. It could just be a chair. The metal at least appears to be of the same type as the grunts' armor, and Nith even wears armbands like the vortigaunts.

One thing I'd like to point out about the theory of Nihilanth being captured by the Combine is this: the Combine do not have localized teleport technology. Think about that for a moment. Does it seem more of a solution to synthify the one creature that possesses this ability inately, or, if you were an alien empire and caught this being, wouldn't you dissect it? Find out the secret of its ability, so that you could augment your forces with it? Oh, I don't doubt that they WOULD have synthified him eventually, but were I the Combine, I would have him cut apart and examined before trying to turn him into a synth. I really doubt they have a roboticizer that just suddenly starts turning things into synths, y'know. This isn't Sonic the Hedgehog. They'd have to study him, find out his physical nuances, how he's controlling the teleport energies, whether they could recreate that on a large-scale, mass-produced level, etc. They would have recorded it all. I suppose that if your idea on it were correct, and Nihilanth destroyed the facility, those records would be lost. But all this is really stretching, y'know. It's constructing a very particular scenario to fit a theory when we have no evidence that none of it ever happened.

And the cause for all this debate is, essentially, a chair.
 
Darkside, you are ALSO creating a one particular scenario, with no concrete evidence to back it up. My theory is as valid as yours.

We do not know for how long the Xenians were hiding from the combine, or when the Empire tried to assimilate them - it could have been recently, it could've also been near their beginning.

Now, I'm examining the Nihilanth AND it shows, that the third arm is a natural limb, it wasn't sewn on. Look at his 'neck' and then slowly look down - the arm is naturally protruding from his chest. It is unclear, however, as the arm and torso are, unfortunately, two separate elements, and the arm is in lower resolution. Also, the stitches end halfway up the arm - pretty illogical, if you ask me, to leave an arm half-sewn in. Of course, it only is illogical IF it was sewn on in the first place.
Second, the sewing marks and the locations where he was cut open are very, very similar to those used in pathology when opening people up.

Next, the cord that connects his head to his body is natural - not grown, nor sewn on.

The chair he is supposed to sit on, is jammed in him - and, what is interesting, shows similarities to what extends from the crab-synth's buttocks.

I believe that Nihilanth is the oldest of the Controllers, and he was the original one, who was opened up and partially disassembled to examine his teleportation technique. However, we still do not know what the teleportation tech is based on, and quite possibly, the method of Vortigaunt teleportation is connected to their Vortessence, and exploited by the Controllers. But, since the knowledge propably couldn't have been extracted back then by the Combine, they couldn't figure out how to teleport locally - and that might've been the incentivefor them to attack Earth - the rift between Xen and Earth was opened, and since they knew where Nihilanth fled, they invaded what they could - Earth.

Additionally, I don't believe the controlers would be able to construct such a massive creature. How would one hold a giant, bucking needle to sew the opened Nihilanth together?
 
Mikael Grizzly said:
We do not know for how long the Xenians were hiding from the combine, or when the Empire tried to assimilate them - it could have been recently, it could've also been near their beginning.
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"Very long." Not a definitive measure of time, but that's what it is. Very long could be any amount of time though...and right now I can't even try and draw up any numbers because we don't even know how old the Nihilanth is. Best thing I could say is this: vortigaunts describe their enslavement in eons; hundreds, perhaps thousands of years. This is by the controllers. There's nothing to suggest when the Nihilanth came into play there though, and I can't extrapolate any measure of time for the emergence of the Combine threat from that either.

Now, I'm examining the Nihilanth AND it shows, that the third arm is a natural limb, it wasn't sewn on. Look at his 'neck' and then slowly look down - the arm is naturally protruding from his chest. It is unclear, however, as the arm and torso are, unfortunately, two separate elements, and the arm is in lower resolution. Also, the stitches end halfway up the arm - pretty illogical, if you ask me, to leave an arm half-sewn in. Of course, it only is illogical IF it was sewn on in the first place.
Second, the sewing marks and the locations where he was cut open are very, very similar to those used in pathology when opening people up.
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Down the stomach and around the arm. Those are indeed the only visible stitches. However checking the texture, I'm noticing a few dark, squiggly bands in other places on his body, namely his other two arms, his pectorals...it's a bit hard due to the fact that a) the limitations of the engine and the textures can be interpreted in a lot of ways without any actual geometry, like the main stitches, and b) Nith's pretty corpulent. I dunno if those folds are fat and stretchmarks or if they could be places where they stitched him together. He's certainly a lumpy beast. Like actual lumps. Check his cheeks...they look stuffed.

Next, the cord that connects his head to his body is natural - not grown, nor sewn on.
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Indeed.

The chair he is supposed to sit on, is jammed in him - and, what is interesting, shows similarities to what extends from the crab-synth's buttocks.
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But again, can't be sure of that. The extensions, for one, are just spokes. Lots of things have those and they're a common design, speaking from an art perspective, when you want to give something a techy kind of look. You add these straight, irregular length lines coming off of something and they can be thought of as antennae, or any kind of thing like that.

For two, like I said, he's fat. That chair might not be so much jammed into him as he's literally pouring over the sides. And again, graphical limitations. We really have no idea what the deal with that chair is. Consider too that at the time, the Combine weren't even thought of. There was no Combine, no Horde (their original name) at the time. And while this seat and the Nihilanth's creation was never explained and thus can easily be retconned to a partially-synthified backstory if Valve so choose, we also have to think that this was designed long before that. So if it served any other purpose other than to add a weird floating seat to a fat ugly space baby, then it wouldn't be with the Combine.

I believe that Nihilanth is the oldest of the Controllers, and he was the original one, who was opened up and partially disassembled to examine his teleportation technique. However, we still do not know what the teleportation tech is based on, and quite possibly, the method of Vortigaunt teleportation is connected to their Vortessence, and exploited by the Controllers. But, since the knowledge propably couldn't have been extracted back then by the Combine, they couldn't figure out how to teleport locally - and that might've been the incentivefor them to attack Earth - the rift between Xen and Earth was opened, and since they knew where Nihilanth fled, they invaded what they could - Earth.
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The controllers definately, definately, definately do not have any link to the vortessence. I'm serious even if Valve goes back and says it does I'll argue with THEM about it, because it's absurd. The vortessence is afforded to the slaves, and them only, with the very minor exception of Gordon Freeman. Plus their own teleportation is strictly astral, and the manipulation of physical objects from that state works in opposition to how the portals of HL1 worked. By that I mean that portals in HL1 had presence, a physical phenomena you could see, even in the most erratic and random of portals, and the vorts essentially just pluck something out of thin air, if one were to observe it. Same like the G-man, although I'm sure his technique isn't related to the vortessence either. And the vortessence isn't something that can be bundled up and packaged into a portal sphere, and has nothing to do with the crystals.

Also the Combine invaded Earth because of the large portal activity. In fact I doubt they even realized what was going on with Xen at that point, they just noticed a beacon in some distant universe. Their nature compelled them after that, and no other thing, otherwise when they got here they would've been interested in procuring all the vortigaunts, as well as, y'know, not trying to kill off our entire race. Remember that we had to bargain with them and tell them we had such technology. At first they were just like, "Hey, free stuff!" (Referring to our resources)

The rest of that quote, I don't know, I just can't get behind it. The Nihilanth being the first controller, and the capture, and examination but they didn't manage to get the information for one reason or another. Yeah, I realized after I posted that I'm creating a scenario too, but I guess that's going to be our split. I find your theory absolutely implausible. You probably think mine's off as well. So we're going to have to agree to disagree on this one.

Additionally, I don't believe the controlers would be able to construct such a massive creature. How would one hold a giant, bucking needle to sew the opened Nihilanth together?
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Lots of controllers, passing the needle between them. You ever watch Cinderella, where those mice and birds stitch together her dress? Yeah, something like that.

Alternatively, build a moderately larger creature whose only purpose is to sew, and use him to put together the Nihilanth. :laugh:
 
It's late, so I'll have to keep this short.

The Controllers may exploit the teleportation abilities of Vortigaunts - sort of riding a slave (quit having dirty thoughts!), not that they are connected to the vortessence.

I base most assumptions on the "Lesser master" quote, which suggests that at a time, they WERE under the control of the Combine. Also, the reason Combine in particular attacked Earth, was that a rift between a borderworld and regular dimension would give different signatures than a regular dimension-dimension, eh?

Last, BIOZEMINADES ARE CONTROLLER SEWING MACHINES! :D
 
Mikael Grizzly said:
It's late, so I'll have to keep this short.

The Controllers may exploit the teleportation abilities of Vortigaunts - sort of riding a slave (quit having dirty thoughts!), not that they are connected to the vortessence.
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If that were the case though, they wouldn't need the static portals. Also I don't even think they'd be able to create or utilize the static portals that way.

And it's probably not what you meant but the idea of a controller riding on a vortigaunt's back makes me smile.

I base most assumptions on the "Lesser master" quote, which suggests that at a time, they WERE under the control of the Combine. Also, the reason Combine in particular attacked Earth, was that a rift between a borderworld and regular dimension would give different signatures than a regular dimension-dimension, eh?
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Well I won't say it's impossible, I just can't see them ever actually being under the control of the Combine for any period of time. Remember that when the Combine comes in they come in fast, and they're devastating. In the space of a few hours they can wipe out a civilization. I think that, if the Xenians had ever been under their control at any point in their history, they wouldn't be around to tell about it. Remember also that Breen is the first time the Combine have used an intermediary between themselves and a race they're conquering. Usually they just come in, take what they want, kill the spares, and make synths out of those they find worthy. All in a very, very short span of time. Calling Nihilanth "the lesser master" is probably just stating that his control only extended to the Xenian race. The Combine control EVERYTHING at that point (during HL2).

And I've always pictured the Great Migration Event happening like this:

Combine detect Xenians' original homeworld.
Invade.
Nihilanth hightails it so fast the Combine can't even deploy everything yet.
Combine's left with an energy trail to follow and they pursue the Xenians across the galaxy until Nith relocates everyone to Xen, and the Combine for whatever reason can't follow.

And again, I don't think it had anything to do with interdimensional travel bringing them here, or even showing up. Dimension-dimension travel would've probably popped up too if it was in sufficient quantity. Even the resonance cascade didn't have THAT kind of power though. It really speaks just how powerful the Nihilanth is, because when he went boom, they picked it up a universe away. It's like putting your ear to an amp and turning it to 11.

Last, BIOZEMINADES ARE CONTROLLER SEWING MACHINES! :D
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Shhh! You'll attract unwanted attention with those thoughts!
 
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I base most assumptions on the "Lesser master" quote, which suggests that at a time, they WERE under the control of the Combine.
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That is a BIG assumption. Equally, the greater master could be, and in my opinion most likely is, the G-Man.

For one, the quote comes from the time of Half-Life 2, at which point it was said that "The borderworld is in [G-man & possibly employer's] control for the time being". On the basis that the portal storms continuing after the Nihilanth's demise was what brought the Vortigaunts to Earth, it does seem logical that they would have now some great deal of experience with this new force that was present once you left.

Next, the Vortigaunt in the cart in Route Canal while powering the television later says as if in a direct reference "We serve the same mystery". I don't think you can get much more outright than that as to what their master must be. In addition, they obviously intervened at the start of Episode One and therefore are not G-man's willing servants and allies, and note that he finds a single Vortigaunt almost amusingly pathetic in his domain at first. Finally, "the Greater Master" seems more like a singular entity, but I doubt Valve is really concerned about grammar, and "Greater Masters" would almost definitely imply Combine at that point, making the quote lose its enigmatic nature.
 
I took it as though the Vortigaunts and the resistance had hired Freeman.
 
Darkside55 said:
I don't think he was a creature. I think he was BUILT. From scratch.

The Nihilanth is a controller on a large scale. They share far too many similarities for it not to have been built by them. All sentient beings from their world share the third arm characteristic, which means any other creatures in their biological tree must have that third arm. Because we see the Nihilanth did not,
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He did have a third arm. Are you taking a few stitches around his arm as evidence it was attached after he was created? Christ, one of my friends a while ago cut his head very badly and had stictches all around one side of his head, does that proove he was born without a head? If you look closly the stiches are only on the underside of the third arm and down his stomache too, was he born without a stomache?

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and yet is a sentient creature, there can only be two solutions: he was either made, or he is from a different branch of sentient being. However, the latter is outlandish, completely out of left-field. Plus, evolving basically the same physiology as the controllers? The only difference is the obvious size, and the face.
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Perhaps the Controllers evolved with kings, similar to insect collonies or perhaps the 3 species evolved together, the Controller, the Vortigaunts and the Nihilanths "The last...I am the last"

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No, I am certain the Nihilanth was built by the controllers. I can picture them crowding around this unformed beast, building it up with manufactured bones and organs, stitching skins over its frame, adding the third arm to its chest to complete the look. Then, gathering their energies, they pour them into the Nihilanth's body, not only to give him life but to imbue him with the ability they themselves do not possess.
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If they built him from scratch he'd have alot more stitches. If they did create him he was probably born without stitches, just look at the Grunts, they made them in factories and there isn't a stitch on them. IMO, the stitches probably came about after he was originaly created and wasn't for something as trivial as adding a third arm to make him look more like them.

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One thing I'd like to point out about the theory of Nihilanth being captured by the Combine is this: the Combine do not have localized teleport technology. Think about that for a moment. Does it seem more of a solution to synthify the one creature that possesses this ability inately, or, if you were an alien empire and caught this being, wouldn't you dissect it? Find out the secret of its ability, so that you could augment your forces with it? Oh, I don't doubt that they WOULD have synthified him eventually, but were I the Combine, I would have him cut apart and examined before trying to turn him into a synth.
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They may not have had enough time, even after however many years they still don't have a final-version human-synth. "The last...I am the last". Maybe he was the only one they didn't cut up but they simply couldn't get the technology out of them.


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I really doubt they have a roboticizer that just suddenly starts turning things into synths, y'know. This isn't Sonic the Hedgehog.
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How DARE you mock Sonic the Hedgehog!

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They'd have to study him, find out his physical nuances, how he's controlling the teleport energies, whether they could recreate that on a large-scale, mass-produced level, etc. They would have recorded it all. I suppose that if your idea on it were correct, and Nihilanth destroyed the facility, those records would be lost. But all this is really stretching, y'know. It's constructing a very particular scenario to fit a theory when we have no evidence that none of it ever happened.
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There is no evidence that Nihilanth was built as a god :p
 
Just a thought... the god building sounds so Morrowindish, and it's not even good.
 
You can't get a good shower that big, you know.
 
You would think with all the advanced technology they have they can keep their leader clean.
 
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He did have a third arm. Are you taking a few stitches around his arm as evidence it was attached after he was created? Christ, one of my friends a while ago cut his head very badly and had stictches all around one side of his head, does that proove he was born without a head? If you look closly the stiches are only on the underside of the third arm and down his stomache too, was he born without a stomache?
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As I mentioned in my previous post, there also seem to be stitches in the texture on his other arms as well, just below the shoulder. Like he had stumps, and then they put arms on him. And also, some of those fat folds might not necessarily be fat folds, or just fat folds. It's hard to tell with the texture being what it is, but they could conceal some stitches or be stitches themselves.

Perhaps the Controllers evolved with kings, similar to insect collonies or perhaps the 3 species evolved together, the Controller, the Vortigaunts and the Nihilanths "The last...I am the last"
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Not impossible. Certainly could be. I have always figured the Xenian species flourished individually, sharing only the most distant ancestor, like homo sapiens and neanderthals. The Nihilanth could be the last of a dead race. I call into question the willingness of the controllers to let another being command them, though. Plus, I always took his quote to mean he was the last thing Gordon had to face, which is the truth and he knew it. So he was like, "I am the last. Come for it."

If they built him from scratch he'd have alot more stitches. If they did create him he was probably born without stitches, just look at the Grunts, they made them in factories and there isn't a stitch on them. IMO, the stitches probably came about after he was originaly created and wasn't for something as trivial as adding a third arm to make him look more like them.
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No evidence grunts were made, just packaged. But they could have created him from some other means, y'know, without using stitches. Still, the stitches on all three arms, the stomach...it's suspect.

And why is it so hard to believe that the controllers would do something "trivial" like put a third arm on him? Man made God in his image, you know. :p

They may not have had enough time, even after however many years they still don't have a final-version human-synth. "The last...I am the last". Maybe he was the only one they didn't cut up but they simply couldn't get the technology out of them.
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Eh. I don't like that idea for a couple of reasons.
  1. It suggest there were more Nihilanths, which there's no evidence for.
  2. If true, then it means the Combine had access to this race.
  3. Access to this race would imply that the Combine had a presence on the original homeworld of the Xenians, but that cannot be because the Xenians are still around.
If they had an occupation on the Xenian's homeworld then there wouldn't be any Xenians to tell about it.

How DARE you mock Sonic the Hedgehog!
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What are you talking about? I love Sonic the Hedgehog. SatAm Sonic was one of the best cartoons. "Blue streak speeds by..."

There is no evidence that Nihilanth was built as a god :p
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I'm sure there is somewhere if I bother really digging for it. But it sounds so awesome, doesn't it?
 
Darkside55 said:
If they had an occupation on the Xenian's homeworld then there wouldn't be any Xenians to tell about it.
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There's still humans :p

And I won't bother to argue the other points because we could be at it for months and not get anywhere :P
 
Ah, but the humans were the first time the Combine's done that, remember?
 
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