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Before I get flamed, I posted this on the GameSpot forums and people loved it: http://forums.gamespot.com/gamespot/show_messages.php?board=909104101&topic=22537092&page=0 so I'm sure if you take the time to read it you guys will like it to. If you like the below stuff then check my post on GameSpot to see contributor's opinions and thoughts and also check out my sig link.
The following thoughts are my opinion. As you can see this is a LONG read so if you don't feel like reading then I suggest you leave this topic. For those who still like to play the N-Game please read the entire article before commenting on it. I make some pretty good points in this article. Also before you read you must realize that this article is based mainly on the Nintendo ON theory. Any people that automatically flame me without at lease reading it will be reported. I am not in any way a n00b.
What Nintendo showed at E3 was disapointing to say the least. Nintendo's president, Satoru Iwata held up a plain looking black console and said this is the Revolution and it has backwards compatability with 20 years of Nintendo games (Total Of 221 Launch Titles). He showed a small 10 second clip of Metroid 3 which was finally revealed later that it was running on GameCube hardware. Does anyone find it the slightest weird that Nintendo really didn't show off a single Revolution game? I can understand the controller as it is suppose to be the secret Revolutionary part that Nintendo claims Microsoft and Sony would steal. However showing a couple trailers for some games wouldn't reveal the controller... unless...
Perhaps the ON is indeed real and Nintendo knew that if they showed Mario or even more complete Metroid Prime 3 footage people would recognize it from the ON video. Also they probably would figure that if they showed footage of other games people would find it suspiscious that they showed other titles BUT not Mario and Metroid so Nintendo may have not showed anything to keep this all secret. Of what was shown at E3 it looks like Nintendo coud have thrown together in a short amount of time. Since the ON was leaked Nintendo could have brought a decoy system to show off instead and since it was leaked only 1 week before E3 that may be all they could get to show. Ever since the beginning of Nintendo's gaming days at big shows like E3 and Spaceworld Nintendo always went crazy but this E3 was rather disapointing for Nintendo fans expecting to get some awesome news. Nintendo announced that games like Smash Brother 3, Zelda, Final Fantasy Chrystal Chronicles 2, Kid Icarus, etc where in developement so why not show anythin? Why didn't they have any 3rd (or 1st) party developers show anything or at lease give a few words.
It almost seems like Nintendo is covering something up that they don't want us (the fans) to know. There are a LOT of rumors out there and while most of them are quite lame some of them seem to hold some truth to them. Lately Haptic controllers have been rumored to be part of the Revolution and even part of the ON and recently a Haptic controller patent was filed by the developer who invented the joystick and rumble pack technology used in the PS2. The controller looked very identical to an N64 controller. Could Nintendo be working with them? Strangely I saw several articles from different people that talked about the same thing. The On and Haptic technology. More importantly they both said almost identically what the other said in the way of features. Maybe one of them read the others post or maybe not...
More strangely a second ON video appeared the same day that the Revolution was revealed at E3. It was only 11 seconds long but giving the fact that it was made the SAME day as the Revolution video means that the video would half to have been made within 24 hours. The video was quite good for being made within 24 hours although it does seem unlikely. What the video showed was the standard Revolution system shown at E3 and then the camera zoomed in around the system showing sides of the system that where never shown in any footage meaning that the system would have had to been rendered and not just a cheap copy and paste, The same goes for the ON system which shows the bottom and sides that where not present in the official ON video. Which means that to would have had to be remodeled. The video zoomed into the Power button of the Revolution system which strangely is the same symbol used in the ON video. I understand that the symbol is a standard symbol meaning "On" but that symbol has never been used for a power button symbol on any of the Nintendo consoles as well as any other console. Coincidence? or something more?
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b51/Kschreck19/On-Revo.jpg
The overall layout of the Revolution section of the Nintendo Press Conference seemed a bit cheap. As it said "Revolution" and had a cheap photoshoped word "Revolution" with 2 discs for the two O's in revolution. It just looked cheap and rushed. Also Nintendo has not released any wallpapers for their new system yet.
At E3 Nintendo's Reggie Fils-Aime was asked if the ON was real and he said it was fake. Also a guy by the name Pablo Belmonte, a 23 year old Spanish college student claimed he had single handily made the video in 5 days and that it was also going to be a LOT large but the he lost the files in a system crash. The guy is Spanish and every post he made was in Spanish including the interviews. However in the ON video it is all in perfect English. You would think since he claims it's only a fan production that he would keep it in his native language to impress his Spanish buddies with and why does he not develope or finish the ON video as it ends abruptly? 1up did a 3 page interview with Pablo Belmonte and even showed renders of his work as well as some stuff not shown and also other stuff he made.
http://www.1up.com/do/feature?cId=3141783
However if Pablo works for Nintendo already then it would be easy for him to get a hold of some renders and stuff and show it. Many companies have been pursuing him including Retro Studios (Metroid Prime Creator) and he declined their offer. Nintendo has NOT contacted him about a job... kind of strange giving his talents right? Also kind of strange how Pablo who is in college is turning down a job of a lifetime. Working at Retro Studios. My thought? He already works at Nintendo but is not aloud to reveal that for the time being. Perhaps the ON video was leaked and Nintendo made him write up some stuff about him making the video just to cover it up. Or perhaps Nintendo leaked the ON to see the publics response and they are just covering it up making it sound like a fake. Pablo did several interviews and in each of them his overall story changed. One interview he said it took him a week to make the video with 2 of his friends and in another interview he said it only took him 5 days by himself...
All and all it sounds kind of a little to coincidencial that this amazing ON video would show up only a week before E3 on the exact same day that Microsoft revealed the Xbox 360 to the world...
More strange stuff like check out this Metroid pic:
http://www.1up.com/media?id=2060004&type=lg
You will notice that something is whited out...
He calls him sell Psyco3leR Why is the P and the R captialized? "Public Relations" perhaps?
There are lots and lots of articles with people claiming that they work at Nintendo and that the ON is real as well as people who claim it's fake. The best article I thought sounded interesting is that one person said that the ON is indeed real that that it would be an addon to the existing Revolution hardware and would sell for around $200 - $300 as an addon. He went on to say that the main controller would be a Haptic controller (A recent Haptic controller patent has been filed) and that the controller would have all sorts of advanced features such a gyrocopes, heat and cold sensations, sensors, realistic effects like a small shock when you get shot or the controller would have a rumble function for when your heart is beating fast, etc and also that if you where lets say hanging from a ledge that you would need to squeeze the controller to prevent you from falling. All this is possible and described in the patent. He also said that the ON visor would support HD but not the regular system itself and thats why Nintendo can't announce HD for their console as the main unit will not support it. The augmented immesion technology was also explained real well and I realize now how it could effectively work. Having the Main ON unit on the floor, it in conjunctions with the visor projects your room into the game. I don't think you actually walk around the house and have each room changing but rather just the single room would be projected and once you leave your room in the video game (while still standing in your real room) you will be able to go wherever. It would give you a feeling like your actually walking around your room yet the technology wouldn't have to be extremely advance as it only made your room look like the game. It's hard for me to explain this technology but it does work and it's really exists whether or not the ON itse'f is real. Oddly as stated above there where 2 articles that explained the ON and the haptic controller in the same way. They also said that it would work either as a glove or something you can hold in your hand. When you pull your trigger finger while aiming your gun (like in real life) you will be able to actually shoot anywhere depending on where your aiming your hand at. Think NES and Duckhunt. The way they explained how the Revolution and the ON visor would be sold seperately suggest how it could be done at a affordable price. it also suggests that the people that don't like the ON idea won't have to use it as it's an optional feature which means the Revolution will cater to just about anyone and everyone. In the ON video they showed a screen it had the "ON" the "GameCube" and a box with a "?" on it. This screen could be signifying that the ON is capable of playing GameCube and past console games like Nintendo said. Another weird thing is, this Pablo guy posted all these other amazing videos that he claimed where his works yet I never seen them before. They where quite amazing and I actually search for this stuff so why didn't I see them before? I don't think they existed before the ON. Why has he not posted any other works since May? This guy is talented so why isn't he creating lots and lots more amazing fan works? Also that Zelda video I am almost certain I saw that before listed on a commerical site as a Japanese Majora's Mask commercial. Almost as if this guy tried to claim it was his work. I could've sworn that it's really part of a Majora's Mask commericial. I could be wrong but it looks awefully familliar to me and I am at lease 95% sure I found that on a site that houses game commercials.
Retro Studios:
At E3 Retro Studios showed a clip of Metroid Prime 3. It was later found out that the clip was running on GameCube hardware and not the Revolution. My theory is that Retro Studios has not seen the actual system yet (The On) and the Nintendo is having them work on GameCube hardware until they are ready to announced the ON to the developers and the world full. Since they are partnered Nintendo is able to create a video sample of Metroid Prime 3 for the ON video even though Retro has not idea about the headset yet.
Then there are the strange comments that the Nintendo guys give:
Shigeru Miyamoto:
"I think maybe if I could do anything, I would make it so you don't have to sit in front of a TV and play. If you could have a machine that you just plugged in and played inside a virtual world that - would be just great." Miyamoto DID invent the Nintendo DS so maybe he has a hand in the Revolution developement as well...
"I am not convinced realistic graphics alone make better games," he says.
"I believe Revolution gives me all the tools I need to create new and unique software. It's going to be a really well-balanced machine," he says.
"Sitting in front of your monitor with a controller, there's really nowhere to go from that paradigm, all you can do is make it prettier and faster,".
"What Nintendo wants to do is to open up that road, create something that goes beyond."
"The Revolution will use cutting edge technology, but it's ultimately about how that technology is used. We asked ourselves 'why would a family need or want to have a gaming console?' The answer is what's driving development of the Revolution."
"The next console fits anywhere. It brings together new games and old. It gives people worldwide access through wireless Wi-Fi connections. And it opens the world of video games -- to everyone. Software for the new console will even attract people who don’t consider themselves players. Adults, kids, men and women around the world will have access to the most popular video game characters, the best game franchises and the most engaging experiences yet developed -- only with Nintendo."
"Nintendo is always trying to be on the forefront of control innovations, like the analog stick, rumble or wireless," said Miyamoto, "As soon as these are available, our competitors snatch them up. Because the user interface is going to drive the Revolution software design, that's what's going to make our software stand out. Nobody else is going to be able to do what we do with next-generation game software. So, I can't reveal anything. It's under wraps because it's the big gun."
Satoru Iwata:
"The game itself and the gameplay shall be identical, but the look will be different; it's possible that with Revolution, we may be able to see the old games with new looks."
More Below...
The following thoughts are my opinion. As you can see this is a LONG read so if you don't feel like reading then I suggest you leave this topic. For those who still like to play the N-Game please read the entire article before commenting on it. I make some pretty good points in this article. Also before you read you must realize that this article is based mainly on the Nintendo ON theory. Any people that automatically flame me without at lease reading it will be reported. I am not in any way a n00b.
What Nintendo showed at E3 was disapointing to say the least. Nintendo's president, Satoru Iwata held up a plain looking black console and said this is the Revolution and it has backwards compatability with 20 years of Nintendo games (Total Of 221 Launch Titles). He showed a small 10 second clip of Metroid 3 which was finally revealed later that it was running on GameCube hardware. Does anyone find it the slightest weird that Nintendo really didn't show off a single Revolution game? I can understand the controller as it is suppose to be the secret Revolutionary part that Nintendo claims Microsoft and Sony would steal. However showing a couple trailers for some games wouldn't reveal the controller... unless...
Perhaps the ON is indeed real and Nintendo knew that if they showed Mario or even more complete Metroid Prime 3 footage people would recognize it from the ON video. Also they probably would figure that if they showed footage of other games people would find it suspiscious that they showed other titles BUT not Mario and Metroid so Nintendo may have not showed anything to keep this all secret. Of what was shown at E3 it looks like Nintendo coud have thrown together in a short amount of time. Since the ON was leaked Nintendo could have brought a decoy system to show off instead and since it was leaked only 1 week before E3 that may be all they could get to show. Ever since the beginning of Nintendo's gaming days at big shows like E3 and Spaceworld Nintendo always went crazy but this E3 was rather disapointing for Nintendo fans expecting to get some awesome news. Nintendo announced that games like Smash Brother 3, Zelda, Final Fantasy Chrystal Chronicles 2, Kid Icarus, etc where in developement so why not show anythin? Why didn't they have any 3rd (or 1st) party developers show anything or at lease give a few words.
It almost seems like Nintendo is covering something up that they don't want us (the fans) to know. There are a LOT of rumors out there and while most of them are quite lame some of them seem to hold some truth to them. Lately Haptic controllers have been rumored to be part of the Revolution and even part of the ON and recently a Haptic controller patent was filed by the developer who invented the joystick and rumble pack technology used in the PS2. The controller looked very identical to an N64 controller. Could Nintendo be working with them? Strangely I saw several articles from different people that talked about the same thing. The On and Haptic technology. More importantly they both said almost identically what the other said in the way of features. Maybe one of them read the others post or maybe not...
More strangely a second ON video appeared the same day that the Revolution was revealed at E3. It was only 11 seconds long but giving the fact that it was made the SAME day as the Revolution video means that the video would half to have been made within 24 hours. The video was quite good for being made within 24 hours although it does seem unlikely. What the video showed was the standard Revolution system shown at E3 and then the camera zoomed in around the system showing sides of the system that where never shown in any footage meaning that the system would have had to been rendered and not just a cheap copy and paste, The same goes for the ON system which shows the bottom and sides that where not present in the official ON video. Which means that to would have had to be remodeled. The video zoomed into the Power button of the Revolution system which strangely is the same symbol used in the ON video. I understand that the symbol is a standard symbol meaning "On" but that symbol has never been used for a power button symbol on any of the Nintendo consoles as well as any other console. Coincidence? or something more?
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b51/Kschreck19/On-Revo.jpg
The overall layout of the Revolution section of the Nintendo Press Conference seemed a bit cheap. As it said "Revolution" and had a cheap photoshoped word "Revolution" with 2 discs for the two O's in revolution. It just looked cheap and rushed. Also Nintendo has not released any wallpapers for their new system yet.
At E3 Nintendo's Reggie Fils-Aime was asked if the ON was real and he said it was fake. Also a guy by the name Pablo Belmonte, a 23 year old Spanish college student claimed he had single handily made the video in 5 days and that it was also going to be a LOT large but the he lost the files in a system crash. The guy is Spanish and every post he made was in Spanish including the interviews. However in the ON video it is all in perfect English. You would think since he claims it's only a fan production that he would keep it in his native language to impress his Spanish buddies with and why does he not develope or finish the ON video as it ends abruptly? 1up did a 3 page interview with Pablo Belmonte and even showed renders of his work as well as some stuff not shown and also other stuff he made.
http://www.1up.com/do/feature?cId=3141783
However if Pablo works for Nintendo already then it would be easy for him to get a hold of some renders and stuff and show it. Many companies have been pursuing him including Retro Studios (Metroid Prime Creator) and he declined their offer. Nintendo has NOT contacted him about a job... kind of strange giving his talents right? Also kind of strange how Pablo who is in college is turning down a job of a lifetime. Working at Retro Studios. My thought? He already works at Nintendo but is not aloud to reveal that for the time being. Perhaps the ON video was leaked and Nintendo made him write up some stuff about him making the video just to cover it up. Or perhaps Nintendo leaked the ON to see the publics response and they are just covering it up making it sound like a fake. Pablo did several interviews and in each of them his overall story changed. One interview he said it took him a week to make the video with 2 of his friends and in another interview he said it only took him 5 days by himself...
All and all it sounds kind of a little to coincidencial that this amazing ON video would show up only a week before E3 on the exact same day that Microsoft revealed the Xbox 360 to the world...
More strange stuff like check out this Metroid pic:
http://www.1up.com/media?id=2060004&type=lg
You will notice that something is whited out...
He calls him sell Psyco3leR Why is the P and the R captialized? "Public Relations" perhaps?
There are lots and lots of articles with people claiming that they work at Nintendo and that the ON is real as well as people who claim it's fake. The best article I thought sounded interesting is that one person said that the ON is indeed real that that it would be an addon to the existing Revolution hardware and would sell for around $200 - $300 as an addon. He went on to say that the main controller would be a Haptic controller (A recent Haptic controller patent has been filed) and that the controller would have all sorts of advanced features such a gyrocopes, heat and cold sensations, sensors, realistic effects like a small shock when you get shot or the controller would have a rumble function for when your heart is beating fast, etc and also that if you where lets say hanging from a ledge that you would need to squeeze the controller to prevent you from falling. All this is possible and described in the patent. He also said that the ON visor would support HD but not the regular system itself and thats why Nintendo can't announce HD for their console as the main unit will not support it. The augmented immesion technology was also explained real well and I realize now how it could effectively work. Having the Main ON unit on the floor, it in conjunctions with the visor projects your room into the game. I don't think you actually walk around the house and have each room changing but rather just the single room would be projected and once you leave your room in the video game (while still standing in your real room) you will be able to go wherever. It would give you a feeling like your actually walking around your room yet the technology wouldn't have to be extremely advance as it only made your room look like the game. It's hard for me to explain this technology but it does work and it's really exists whether or not the ON itse'f is real. Oddly as stated above there where 2 articles that explained the ON and the haptic controller in the same way. They also said that it would work either as a glove or something you can hold in your hand. When you pull your trigger finger while aiming your gun (like in real life) you will be able to actually shoot anywhere depending on where your aiming your hand at. Think NES and Duckhunt. The way they explained how the Revolution and the ON visor would be sold seperately suggest how it could be done at a affordable price. it also suggests that the people that don't like the ON idea won't have to use it as it's an optional feature which means the Revolution will cater to just about anyone and everyone. In the ON video they showed a screen it had the "ON" the "GameCube" and a box with a "?" on it. This screen could be signifying that the ON is capable of playing GameCube and past console games like Nintendo said. Another weird thing is, this Pablo guy posted all these other amazing videos that he claimed where his works yet I never seen them before. They where quite amazing and I actually search for this stuff so why didn't I see them before? I don't think they existed before the ON. Why has he not posted any other works since May? This guy is talented so why isn't he creating lots and lots more amazing fan works? Also that Zelda video I am almost certain I saw that before listed on a commerical site as a Japanese Majora's Mask commercial. Almost as if this guy tried to claim it was his work. I could've sworn that it's really part of a Majora's Mask commericial. I could be wrong but it looks awefully familliar to me and I am at lease 95% sure I found that on a site that houses game commercials.
Retro Studios:
At E3 Retro Studios showed a clip of Metroid Prime 3. It was later found out that the clip was running on GameCube hardware and not the Revolution. My theory is that Retro Studios has not seen the actual system yet (The On) and the Nintendo is having them work on GameCube hardware until they are ready to announced the ON to the developers and the world full. Since they are partnered Nintendo is able to create a video sample of Metroid Prime 3 for the ON video even though Retro has not idea about the headset yet.
Then there are the strange comments that the Nintendo guys give:
Shigeru Miyamoto:
"I think maybe if I could do anything, I would make it so you don't have to sit in front of a TV and play. If you could have a machine that you just plugged in and played inside a virtual world that - would be just great." Miyamoto DID invent the Nintendo DS so maybe he has a hand in the Revolution developement as well...
"I am not convinced realistic graphics alone make better games," he says.
"I believe Revolution gives me all the tools I need to create new and unique software. It's going to be a really well-balanced machine," he says.
"Sitting in front of your monitor with a controller, there's really nowhere to go from that paradigm, all you can do is make it prettier and faster,".
"What Nintendo wants to do is to open up that road, create something that goes beyond."
"The Revolution will use cutting edge technology, but it's ultimately about how that technology is used. We asked ourselves 'why would a family need or want to have a gaming console?' The answer is what's driving development of the Revolution."
"The next console fits anywhere. It brings together new games and old. It gives people worldwide access through wireless Wi-Fi connections. And it opens the world of video games -- to everyone. Software for the new console will even attract people who don’t consider themselves players. Adults, kids, men and women around the world will have access to the most popular video game characters, the best game franchises and the most engaging experiences yet developed -- only with Nintendo."
"Nintendo is always trying to be on the forefront of control innovations, like the analog stick, rumble or wireless," said Miyamoto, "As soon as these are available, our competitors snatch them up. Because the user interface is going to drive the Revolution software design, that's what's going to make our software stand out. Nobody else is going to be able to do what we do with next-generation game software. So, I can't reveal anything. It's under wraps because it's the big gun."
Satoru Iwata:
"The game itself and the gameplay shall be identical, but the look will be different; it's possible that with Revolution, we may be able to see the old games with new looks."
More Below...
