No Pope Yet

[kmack]

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In the last moments of twilight, the pilgrims began to point and gasp. "What is it? White? Black?" hundreds cried out. In a few seconds at about 8:05 p.m. it was clear the 115 cardinals from six continents could not find the two-thirds majority needed to elect the new leader for the world's 1.1 billion Roman Catholics. Only one vote was held Monday.

What do you think are the most important issues that the new pope must address?

Personally, I think it should be easing their position on the use of contraception not from a recreational sex standpoint, but as a means of slowing the spread of HIV. As AIDS ravages Africa, (where catholicism is rapidly spreading) it is important to help these people by easing the condemning of contraceptives and allowing catholics in Africa to protect themselves. I also think the sex scandals will be a major problem. I am by no means a devout catholic but i think that it is important to recognize the Global power of a Pope.

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

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What do you think are the most important issues that the new pope must address?

Personally, I think it should be easing their position on the use of contraception not from a recreational sex standpoint, but as a means of slowing the spread of HIV. As AIDS ravages Africa, (where catholicism is rapidly spreading) it is important to help these people by easing the condemning of contraceptives and allowing catholics in Africa to protect themselves. I also think the sex scandals will be a major problem. I am by no means a devout catholic but i think that it is important to recognize the Global power of a Pope.

Those who are following what the pope says on contraceptives obviously aren't going to be having sex, as they'd follow that. Unless they're just following things selectively which is just dumb.

 

[kmack]

Those who are following what the pope says on contraceptives obviously aren't going to be having sex, as they'd follow that. Unless they're just following things selectively which is just dumb.

ummm, married people. :thumbs:

you see "rakurai" when a mommy loves a daddy, and they want to share their love in a special way, its ok by the catholic church for them to have sex, 8th grade sex ed will fill you in on the rest.

obviously sex between married people isn't in any way condemned by the Catholic church, how would we have children? The problem is they don't let married people use contraception, they have to rely on nature, if people who love each other (and one has HIV) they couldn't have sex at all according to the Catholic church, so a man would perhaps just have sex anyways thus spreading the disease. Pleading ignorance in the face of speculation, especially falsely is never good.

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

ummm, married people. :thumbs:

you see "rakurai" when a mommy loves a daddy, and they want to share their love in a special way, its ok by the catholic church for them to have sex, 8th grade sex ed will fill you in on the rest.

obviously sex between married people isn't in any way condemned by the Catholic church, how would we have children? The problem is they don't let married people use contraception, they have to rely on nature, if people who love each other (and one has HIV) they couldn't have sex at all according to the Catholic church, so a man would perhaps just have sex anyways thus spreading the disease. Pleading ignorance in the face of speculation, especially falsely is never good.

Following the doctrine to the letter would have sex for reproduction. I personally don't follow exactly everything that the pope says, and the Church is leniant enough with it that I'm not "going to Hell" for it.

 

[short recoil]

If people are stupid and follow a religions idea rather than saving themselves from getting HIV then that is what they deserve.

They have the education about such diseases (well a lot is being done to try and educate people), it is up to them if they want to protect themselves, **** whatever your religion says.

Humans need to control their breeding if they want to avoid disease.

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

If people are stupid and follow a religions idea rather than saving themselves from getting HIV then that is what they deserve.

They have the education about such diseases (well a lot is being done to try and educate people), it is up to them if they want to protect themselves, **** whatever your religion says.

Humans need to control their breeding if they want to avoid disease.

Well if they followed what the religion said, they wouldn't be getting infected then either- either way, using common sense will stop it from spreading sexually.

 

[kmack]

Well if they followed what the religion said, they wouldn't be getting infected then either- either way, using common sense will stop it from spreading sexually.

what is your sexual partner doesnt know he or she has aids? what if they dont tell you? how can common sense save you from that?

 

[short recoil]

what is your sexual partner doesnt know he or she has aids? what if they dont tell you? how can common sense save you from that?

My common sense stops me from having sex full stop, i am far less likely to get aids than any of you that have sex.

 

[bvasgm]

Just use a condom when you have sex. Problem solved.

 

[kmack]

My common sense stops me from having sex full stop, i am far less likely to get aids than any of you that have sex.

im so sorry.

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

what is your sexual partner doesnt know he or she has aids? what if they dont tell you? how can common sense save you from that?

Common sense means knowing your partner's history. You can still get infected even when being safe, I know that- but you're so, so, so much less likely to.

 

[kmack]

Common sense means knowing your partner's history. You can still get infected even when being safe, I know that- but you're so, so, so much less likely to.

if your partner lies....

and shouldnt the umbrella of being safe be expanded to birth control?

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

if your partner lies....

and shouldnt the umbrella of being safe be expanded to birth control?

If you're having sex to not have birth it sure should be!

But if you're adhering to strict Catholic by the Bible guidelines, you'll only have sex to make babies- in which case birth control goes against that.

 

[kmack]

If you're having sex to not have birth it sure should be!

But if you're adhering to strict Catholic by the Bible guidelines, you'll only have sex to make babies- in which case birth control goes against that.

thats not true, the catholic church (and the bible) support a healthy sexual lifestyle between married individuals, they see it as an amazing way to share something special with a loved one. I dont know where you are getting this. Good married catholics CAN have sex without the intent to procreate, therefore, to protect people from HIV/AIDS contraceptives like condoms should be allowed for married people who either know they are HIV positive (and dont want to spread it to their children) or are worried that their spouse might be.

 

[CptStern]

If you're having sex to not have birth it sure should be!

But if you're adhering to strict Catholic by the Bible guidelines, you'll only have sex to make babies- in which case birth control goes against that.

that's unrealistic ....according to that train of thought what happens after you dont want any more kids? ...explode? no masterbation, no sex for pleasure ...it's just not realistic to believe people are capable of not having sex after the age of 30 ...potentially another 60 years of life ..living in chastity? not possible for married couples, you wouldnt be married that long if that was the case

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

that's unrealistic ....according to that train of thought what happens after you dont want any more kids? ...explode? no masterbation, no sex for pleasure ...it's just not realistic to believe people are capable of not having sex after the age of 30 ...potentially another 60 years of life ..living in chastity? not possible for married couples, you wouldnt be married that long if that was the case

Hey, I don't advise what the pope did. Take that up with the Vatican and not me, I'm just saying that people blaming the AIDS epidemic on John Paul II is wrong.

 

[CptStern]

Hey, I don't advise what the pope did. Take that up with the Vatican and not me, I'm just saying that people blaming the AIDS epidemic on John Paul II is wrong.

no it is FACT, he may not be responsible but the fact is that the catholic churches archaic laws exasperated the situation ...117 million catholics in africa ..all John Paul had to say "let there be condoms" ..and at least some of them could have been saved ..at least some of the spread of aids could have been prevented ...by a cheap piece of latex and the intestinal fortitude to stand up to centuries of stifling overbearing moral values

 

[seinfeldrules]

Correct me if I am wrong, but was he not the first Pope to set foot inside a mosque and a synagouge? Did he not forgive the man who attempted to assassinate him? Sounds like a pretty damn good guy to me.

 

[Direwolf]

Yeah. He also had to deal with the fact that most of the Popes prior to him had re-affirmed the Catholic stance on birth control. The Catholic faifth has never been overly swift to change in the last few centuries, and usually gets riled up whenever someone suggest doing so.

 

[CptStern]

Correct me if I am wrong, but was he not the first Pope to set foot inside a mosque and a synagouge? Did he not forgive the man who attempted to assassinate him? Sounds like a pretty damn good guy to me.

well to be honest he's criticised more for what he hasnt done than for what he has done ..which depending on how you look at it, it kinda balances out

 

[seinfeldrules]

well to be honest he's criticised more for what he hasnt done than for what he has done ..which depending on how you look at it, it kinda balances out

I'm not sure if it balances out for the Catholics. I hear he may be on the fast track for Saint hood.

 

[CptStern]

not necessarily ..John Paul created the fast track system and one of his rules was that the person shouldnt even be in consideration until at least 5 years after their death.

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

no it is FACT, he may not be responsible but the fact is that the catholic churches archaic laws exasperated the situation ...117 million catholics in africa ..all John Paul had to say "let there be condoms" ..and at least some of them could have been saved ..at least some of the spread of aids could have been prevented ...by a cheap piece of latex and the intestinal fortitude to stand up to centuries of stifling overbearing moral values

I don't understand this logic though. If those Catholics were practicing devoutly enough to follow what John Paul II said, even if sex was just in marriage, AIDS would be cut DRAMATICALLY. That's a fact.

 

[CptStern]

I don't understand this logic though. If those Catholics were practicing devoutly enough to follow what John Paul II said, even if sex was just in marriage, AIDS would be cut DRAMATICALLY. That's a fact.

dont confuse aids with hiv (hiv is the spread) ..there are many causes for the spread of hiv in africa including marital infidelity but also rape (1 in 4 men admit to rape one in 3 women admit to being raped). It's the spread of the disease that's the problem ..it has a branching effect. Surely if catholics followed the letter of the law then they would reduce their risk but that doesnt account for for all the other factors that contribute to the aids epidemic.

Oh and abstinence is not a realistic option

 

[kmack]

I don't understand this logic though. If those Catholics were practicing devoutly enough to follow what John Paul II said, even if sex was just in marriage, AIDS would be cut DRAMATICALLY. That's a fact.

that is utter crap because not enough people with HIV/AIDS practice catholicism, certainly not to the extent of following word for word the pope.

You are grossly exagerrating the impact of the pope on AIDS (without him allowing contraceptives, because think about all the aid provided by the Catholic church in third world countries, if they delivered cases of condoms, and taught their practice as they should, and will if the catholic ban against them are lifted then AIDS will be cut dramatically, and that is fact) without the use of contraceptives.

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

that is utter crap because not enough people with HIV/AIDS practice catholicism, certainly not to the extent of following word for word the pope.

That's my point entirely- to that end it's utter crap to blame the pope for it.

You are grossly exagerrating the impact of the pope on AIDS (without him allowing contraceptives, because think about all the aid provided by the Catholic church in third world countries, if they delivered cases of condoms, and taught their practice as they should, and will if the catholic ban against them are lifted then AIDS will be cut dramatically, and that is fact) without the use of contraceptives.

If people contracting HIV aren't to that much of an extent devout practicing Catholics, why would it be cut dramatically? Those who aren't have no reason to not go out and use condoms, they have no reason to listen to the pope.

It's wrong to blame someone for something like that for the reason of "They helped, but they should have gone out of their way to do this."

 

[GiaOmerta]

Oh and abstinence is not a realistic option

Sure it is. Keep your **** in your pants and everyone is happy.

EDIT:
I've got a buddy from Cameron, nice guy. He gave me a condom promotion shirt. Most of the text on the shirt is in French, French is the national language. but one portion is in English
"Let's talk about sex."

 

[kmack]

Sure it is. Keep your **** in your pants and everyone is happy.

everyone except my ****.

abstinence doesnt work.

if you can get some, normal people do (its evolution baby :thumbs: ) we have hormones (oh noes, science! that is devil talk!) that tell us to have sex, to deny such urges is difficult (unless you can't get any, but thats ok ).

keep your **** out, just bag it before you tag it.

but oh noes! contraception, that is the devil!

and the circle of idiot christians continues...

 

[GiaOmerta]

Hypothalamus, orgin of all evil.

everyone except my ****.

Sucks to be him.

AFRICA

Cameroon

Religions:
indigenous beliefs 40%, Christian 40%, Muslim 20%

HIV/AIDS - adult prevalence rate:
6.9% (2003 est.)
HIV/AIDS - people living with HIV/AIDS:
560,000 (2003 est.)
HIV/AIDS - deaths:
49,000 (2003 est.)

Zimbabwe

Religions:
syncretic (part Christian, part indigenous beliefs) 50%, Christian 25%, indigenous beliefs 24%, Muslim and other 1%

HIV/AIDS - adult prevalence rate:
33.7% (2001 est.)
HIV/AIDS - people living with HIV/AIDS:
2.3 million (2001 est.)
HIV/AIDS - deaths:
200,000 (2001 est.)

Sudan

Religions:
Sunni Muslim 70% (in north), indigenous beliefs 25%, Christian 5% (mostly in south and Khartoum)

HIV/AIDS - adult prevalence rate:
2.6% (2001 est.)
HIV/AIDS - people living with HIV/AIDS:
450,000 (2001 est.)
HIV/AIDS - deaths:
23,000 (2001 est.)

Egypt

Religions:
Muslim (mostly Sunni) 94%, Coptic Christian and other 6%

HIV/AIDS - adult prevalence rate:
less than 0.1% (2001 est.)
HIV/AIDS - people living with HIV/AIDS:
8,000 (2001 est.)
HIV/AIDS - deaths:
700 (2003 est.)

South Africa

Religions:
Christian 68% (includes most whites and Coloreds, about 60% of blacks and about 40% of Indians), Muslim 2%, Hindu 1.5% (60% of Indians), indigenous beliefs and animist 28.5%

HIV/AIDS - adult prevalence rate:
21.5% (2003 est.)
HIV/AIDS - people living with HIV/AIDS:
5.3 million (2003 est.)
HIV/AIDS - deaths:
370,000 (2003 est.)

Maybe your right. Islamic dominate countries have less AIDs. While countries with a higher 'Christian' percentage seem to have more AIDs. These countries also have a moderate presence of indigenous beliefs.
Maybe your wrong. Religion is a factor. But, economy and education also play a role in the scheme of things.

 

[xLostx]

thus reasons why not to go to africa

 

[JellyWorld]

thus reasons why not to go to africa

who goes to Africa to have sex?