North Korea detonates nuke!

[15357]

Why are you guys over there treating this like an attack is imminent?

I mean....buff up security maybe, but I'm picturing you guys running around like chickens with your heads cut off looking through telescopes at the DMZ.

We're at goddamn WATCHCON 2. You try living right next to some weirdo who has kept threatening to turn your capital into a sea of fire for the past half century. This is like the scariest thing to happen since the 60s. Hell, we're actually discussing whether or not to initiate a state of emergency.

Sort of. It does contain most of the federal government of Australia. But then again it's not a very centralised place as such.

Anyway. Numbers. How safe would you consider yourself right now at this very moment? Just curious.

Not very much. This is the thing that we've all feared: another WMD to kill us all.


And the goverment ain't helping:

"Don't worry people, everythings gonna be fine. No, really." *orders emergency alert for entire military*

Self explanatory picture of what would happen in a case of US attacking NK. OPLAN 5026

 

[Baal]

Yea but lets be reasonable....it's just nuclear testing. Their first one (that we're aware of), I think you guys over there should relax a little, it's gonna shorten your life expectancy

And I <3 the south !

Not that you shouldn't take this threat seriously, but unless I'm over-estimating the state of panic over there, it seems a little over done.

And as you said, they don't even have the means to detonate on your soil yet, do they? Certainly not ICBM

 

[15357]

Which would mean that they now have nukes..... which would kill only a few hundred thousand.... yeah, you're right.

 

[Jintor]

Well, Baal, it's as if your crazy insane neighbour next door has started juggling Molotov cocktails while eyeing your house and grinning madly.

 

[Baal]

I guess. Whatever, act insane, see if I care! ;(

 

[Baal]

Well, Baal, it's as if your crazy insane neighbour next door has started juggling Molotov cocktails while eyeing your house and grinning madly.

I see your point. I withdraw my comments.

Numbers, just don't hurt yourself :|

 

[15357]

Interestingly enough, a few of my friends are ratehr... enthusiastic.... about the current situation.... they're saying that they want to volunteer..... if the time calls.... like me though.... But they're being happy about suppossed action against us by the north, and I don't really see that as a happy sanguine idea..



Btw Baal, you're offline D:

 

[Baal]

Btw Baal, you're offline D:

huh.



Is that a secret code saying a nuke is headed to Atlantic Canada?

*runs*

 

[Darkwolf]

Sort of. It does contain most of the federal government of Australia. But then again it's not a very centralised place as such.

Anyway. Numbers. How safe would you consider yourself right now at this very moment? Just curious.

As I said. What does Canberra do anyway? Lol.

 

[CptStern]

Well, Baal, it's as if your crazy insane neighbour next door has started juggling Molotov cocktails while eyeing your house and grinning madly.

that analogy only works if your neighbor was a mile away


North Korea has proved they could create a very big explosion ....in north korea ..they still cant deliver it ..although they've recently made a breakthrough on a delivery system that may appeal to capitalistic south koreans

 

[Beerdude26]

North Korea has proved they could a very big explosion ....in north korea ..they still cant deliver it

So we're going to give them the time to do so? :|
War ftl, but some sanctions should really be placed upon NK.

 

[CptStern]

So we're going to give them the time to do so? :|

hmmm where have we heard that before?

War ftl, but some sanctions should really be placed upon NK.

sanctions are ineffectual ..just as they were with iraq ...the only people directly affected are already poor as it is

as much as koreans are being repressed by the regime in NK, there's far more important issues to attend to

this show of force by NK is just that ..a show of force to get them bargaining power in negotiating economic and energy concessions ..it's also a very good deterrant to invasion

 

[Aenama]

Stern what will you say when NK nukes SK or Japan?
without us trying to stop it?

 

[CptStern]

ummm bye bye North Korea? there's 50 km of space between SK's capital and north korea ..how soon will they start to see NK casualties should they detonate a nuke so close to their own borders? here watch this ..this is just a low yield one megaton bunker buster nuke ..a conventional nuke will have a much greater effect

it's the same fearmongering bullshit blair and bush used prior to invading Iraq

...45 minutes to london my ass

uranium in niger my ass


and you're hardly the most credible of nations ..your self-appointed role of "police man" of the world is not appreciated ..by anyone ...specifically since it has more to with supporting your interests than it does with "policing"

 

[Jintor]

that analogy only works if your neighbor was a mile away

They share a border, you know.

 

[15357]

If they did a suicide bomb truck like they did in the '70s, then we could face the death of at least 400,000 people in our capital. They also have submersibles that can evade our destroyers and nuke several ports, namely Incheon, ect.


We may have thousands of bunkers for civillian use, but they cannot withstand anything else than conventional artillery and bombs. Only 23 bunkers are able to withstand radiological and nuclear weapons, and they are for military only.

ummm bye bye North Korea? there's 50 km of space between SK's capital and north korea ..how soon will they start to see NK casualties should they detonate a nuke so close to their own borders? here watch this ..this is just a low yield one megaton bunker buster nuke ..a conventional nuke will have a much greater effect

Tactical Nukes don't have that much of a fallout, and besides, they don't care about their own civillians and we have season differences of wind; in the winter, the wind goes only southeast from north.

and you're hardly the most credible of nations ..your self-appointed role of "police man" of the world is not appreciated ..by anyone ...specifically since it has more to with supporting your interests than it does with "policing"

But really, we love their act of a tripwire...

sanctions are ineffectual ..just as they were with iraq ...the only people directly affected are already poor as it is

as much as koreans are being repressed by the regime in NK, there's far more important issues to attend to

this show of force by NK is just that ..a show of force to get them bargaining power in negotiating economic and energy concessions ..it's also a very good deterrant to invasion

Surgical strikes on all nuclear, artillery, and missile sites.

Kim Jong Il says: "Fire and see what happens, lol. I blow her (In this case, South Korea) head off."

 

[PvtRyan]

Is ^^ actually a character/letter in Korean? And does the picture really say 'lol' in it? D:

 

[15357]

I replaced ^^ with lol, because we use it like that on our interenets. D:

 

[Deadline]

Oh hell... sigh...

N. Korea threatens war if U.S. pressure persists
Pyongyang says nuke test a success; Japan imposes further sanctions...
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15217370/

 

[rollin05]

i hope russia goes in,or china, or hell, even japan, goes in to kick there ass.

 

[RoyaleWithCheese]

I'm sure that would be the most senseless thing to do.


edit: The koreans need a laugh http://youtube.com/watch?v=xQFqxgsirME

 

[VictimOfScience]

Nobody is going to be kicking anyone's ass here.

If strong enough sanctions are imposed on NK, then their ecomony just might fail and then China is faced with thousands and thousands of refugees swarming across their border. They don't want that in the least. But China has to do something because NK is essentially wagging their fingers at them because China thought (and indeed had the rest of the world believe) that they had at least a modicum of influence over them. NK has gone against their deal and angered a very powerful (former) supporter in China.

Anyone gets physical with NK and they have no problem launching a vast amount of artillery strikes against SK and Seoul becomes a ruin.

Nuclear strikes on anything in the North means that basically the whole of the Korean penninsula becomes a radioactive wasteland. No one wants that either. So even precision nukes are out.

NK may have a nuclear device or two or maybe eight, but there is a huge difference between a device and a weapon. It will take years for them to turn the corner from device to weapon, but the global community can't afford to let that happen or for them to sell their secrets to anyone else (Iran?).

Its a really complex situation and NK knows that. They also know that the only way to get a seat at the table with the big biys is to have nukes (or to threaten to have them). Looks like their plan is working....

 

[PvtRyan]

If strong enough sanctions are imposed on NK, then their ecomony just might fail

They don't have an economy..

85 percent of their factories are dead.

And as long as NK has a massive military and working defenses, I doubt you'll see swarms of refugees crossing the border because they would easily be gunned down.

 

[15357]

Oh hell... sigh...

N. Korea threatens war if U.S. pressure persists
Pyongyang says nuke test a success; Japan imposes further sanctions...
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15217370/

Yeah, we were all "WTF?"

NK isn't really capable of launching attacks against the US, so we're just waiting for them to arty us a bit, like 10 rounds in the next few weeks.



To cap it all, I received an text messaage on my cell phone saying that all 15+ males report to the local goverment plex, with the signature of the gove opn it.

 

[CptStern]

If they did a suicide bomb truck like they did in the '70s, then we could face the death of at least 400,000 people in our capital. They also have submersibles that can evade our destroyers and nuke several ports, namely Incheon, ect.

because 400,000 South Koreans were killed in the 70's by a truck bomb? ...oh you mean nuke ...sheer suicide ..the capital is less than a 100 kms from the border no? suicide ..doesnt matter where you are in NK you will be affected


and you have yet to ever provide a reason why they would nuke you ..if they want to take over SK wouldnt making most of it inhabitable defeat the purpose? ...the truth is Numbers is that you're prone to hysterics just like your government/NK government ..you'll believe anything even remotely related with NK ..even when it's completely ludicrous or without basis

if they simply wanted to eridicate you, wouldnt nuking what is essentially their land (divided by a line on a map) make no sense? ..who wants to live next to a toxic dump filled with charred little koreans?

We may have thousands of bunkers for civillian use, but they cannot withstand anything else than conventional artillery and bombs.

so now we've gone from Kim having a nuclear bomb that's completely undeliverable in it's present form to a scenario where 10's if not 100's of nukes are raining on poor defenseless god fearing south koreans ...you've completely gone off the deep end

Tactical Nukes don't have that much of a fallout,

did you watch the video? the radioactive fallout could potentially affect millions in several countries .. ..the nuke NK reportedly set off had a yield of .55 kT (which is pretty average for a test detonation) ..greater than any nuclear bunker buster which only has a yield of .3kT

and besides, they don't care about their own civillians and we have season differences of wind; in the winter, the wind goes only southeast from north.

:O ya seasonal winds will ensure that the radioactive cloud passes you by :upstare: ..that's one hell of an assumption ..based on what exactly?

Only 23 bunkers are able to withstand radiological and nuclear weapons, and they are for military only.

that's hardly surprising in a totalitarian regime ..better join the military before you become burn mark on the pavement

 

[PvtRyan]

Uh.. a megaton bomb would be 1800 times heavier than the 0.55 kiloton bomb NK detonated.

Nuclear bunker busters can have a yield of hundreds of kilotons:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_bunker_buster

0.55 kiloton is a firecracker at best.

 

[CptStern]

yes but it's a test detonation (which in itself was larger than nuclear bunker busters proposed by the bush admin: .3kT) ..as I've already said a tactical nuke will have a much greater yield

 

[VictimOfScience]

They don't have an economy..

85 percent of their factories are dead.

And as long as NK has a massive military and working defenses, I doubt you'll see swarms of refugees crossing the border because they would easily be gunned down.

If sanctions are as strong as some want and supplies of food are cut off, you will no doubt see lots of refugees running for the border and they will likely not get mowed down. Kim is not that stupid.

 

[PvtRyan]

If sanctions are as strong as some want and supplies of food are cut off, you will no doubt see lots of refugees running for the border and they will likely not get mowed down. Kim is not that stupid.

The poorest citizens who need that food, don't actually get any of it. It all goes to the military.

 

[CookieCuttah]

Don't really care, their weapons don't have the range to reach me and it's doubtable that they even will do anything. Last time they shot missiles most of them didn't even detonate, fearsome indeed. Id much rather USA was disarmed of its military than N.K.

 

[CptStern]

If sanctions are as strong as some want and supplies of food are cut off, you will no doubt see lots of refugees running for the border and they will likely not get mowed down. Kim is not that stupid.

as PvtRyan stated sanctions will have little effect ..especially since the regime has a hiostory of putting their populace under undue hardships ..no unless China gets on board with energy (oil mostly) sanctions they'll have little to no effect ..it's exactly the same scenario as the Iraqi sanctions ..and they led to the deaths of hundreds of thousands while saddam's regime went relatively unscathed

 

[The Monkey]

This bomb of 1 kiloton was nothing, compared to some of the stuff the russians made (50,000 kt).

 

[PvtRyan]

Don't really care, their weapons don't have the range to reach me and it's doubtable that they even will do anything. Last time they shot missiles most of them didn't even detonate, fearsome indeed. Id much rather USA was disarmed of its military than N.K.

Because what doesn't directly affect you, doesn't matter? What an enlightened perspective indeed..

So it doesn't matter NK can now use nuclear weapons as a way to gain a voice in the international world and let the nukes bargain for them? It doesn't matter they could potentially use nuclear weapons against South Korea in a few years down the line?

 

[kirovman]

This bomb of 1 kiloton was nothing, compared to some of the stuff the russians made (50,000 kt).

That's incomprehensible.

Country destroyers. The soviets even spoke of testing a 100 Megaton bomb, but they didn't get round to it.

Luckily North Korea is about 100 years away from that kind of tech.

 

[turtle]

yea we talked about this in current events today they said that the bomb was like alot smaller than the one America dropped on nurishima and now tokyo saying they tested another and caused an erthequake in tokyo

 

[Icarusintel]

bomb was like alot smaller than the one America dropped on nurishima

Do you mean Hiroshima and Nagasaki?

 

[Baal]

And he also said the bomb caused an "earthquake"

:|

 

[15357]

because 400,000 South Koreans were killed in the 70's by a truck bomb? ...oh you mean nuke ...sheer suicide ..the capital is less than a 100 kms from the border no? suicide ..doesnt matter where you are in NK you will be affected

Seasonal winds. Besides, radiation from mininukes tends to dissipate in 2 ~ 8 weeks.

and you have yet to ever provide a reason why they would nuke you ..if they want to take over SK wouldnt making most of it inhabitable defeat the purpose? ...the truth is Numbers is that you're prone to hysterics just like your government/NK government ..you'll believe anything even remotely related with NK ..even when it's completely ludicrous or without basis

Because they are, when pushed to the limit, capable of things that are incomprehensiblly horrible. They don't want to take over SK, they want to destroy it.

if they simply wanted to eridicate you, wouldnt nuking what is essentially their land (divided by a line on a map) make no sense? ..who wants to live next to a toxic dump filled with charred little koreans?

Apparently, Kim Jong-Il does.

so now we've gone from Kim having a nuclear bomb that's completely undeliverable in it's present form to a scenario where 10's if not 100's of nukes are raining on poor defenseless god fearing south koreans ...you've completely gone off the deep end

Its only a matter of time.

did you watch the video? the radioactive fallout could potentially affect millions in several countries .. ..the nuke NK reportedly set off had a yield of .55 kT (which is pretty average for a test detonation) ..greater than any nuclear bunker buster which only has a yield of .3kT

Again, they don't really care much, besides, there are metropolitian cities besides Seoul, take Daejon for instance: Home of the Goverment Complex, the Homeland Reserves, 3rd largest city in Korea, ect.

Also, take a look at Hiroshima. The radiation cleared in less than a month, most likely due to the Fall seasonal winds and the pressure drop in the pacific ocean. Also, only a 10km radius was affected.

Daejon is more than 250km away from North Korea, and its a pretty strategical target.

:O ya seasonal winds will ensure that the radioactive cloud passes you by :upstare: ..that's one hell of an assumption ..based on what exactly?

Did you know that clouds move with the winds?

that's hardly surprising in a totalitarian regime ..better join the military before you become burn mark on the pavement

Military Leadership, they're pretty much command centers.


I'm saying that we should stop them before they develop the capapbility to target long range. North Korea does not care about its people (actually, our people) nor is it not violent. If we give in now, we become a hostage to the Northern threat.

 

[Raziaar]

I like how North Korea says "No more sanctions or we'll go to war"... and the rest of the world quivers.

 

[the_rebel_medic]

I'm lucky over here, out of range of the Taep On Dongs (Southern Tip)... Anyway, I would say that Kim Jong Il should be killed, except for the fact that N. Korea would blame everyone and then...nuke them.