Nuclear Holocaust predicted in the bible?

[Raziaar]

Well... I was just sitting around, watching history channel as I normally do. What happened to be on, and is still on... is 'Countdown to Armageddon'. Basically going over ways that people think the end of the world is near based on recent world events.

One thing in particular struck me, the reading of a phrase of the bible the narrator gave. I believe it was this(not sure if its exact, but it might be)

(Zechariah 14:12-15 KJV) And this shall be the plague wherewith the LORD will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

And as i'm sure we all know, the effects of a nuclear blast etc, are remarkably similiar if not exactly such as described. The flesh of a body can be burnt... stripped completely away before the body even hits the ground... and some books about Hiroshima even describe the 'eyes melting in their sockets'. Tongue is just like the former two.

CERTAINLY nothing in the timeframe of the bible's formation could be possible as the effects of this. But nowadays, we see that it is indeed possible. If its not truth, it is indeed a scary coincidence.

So before you all start screaming anti religious stuff... why don't you just read some of this stuff from the mindset of a scholar, instead of the way you might normally. I did some searching about this subject, and came across a few things I wanted to make note of. These will be below.

http://www.wwyd.org/nuclear_war.htm

The above website tries to interpret some stuff about the bible scriptures in regards to nuclear war and the destruction of earth. Feel free to read it... and try to keep an open mind. There are some religious things in it... but for the most part it keeps a strictly professional view as interpreter. So I considered it an interesting read for anybody, religious or not.

http://www.church_of_question.homestead.com/nuke.html

Yet another religious website, but you're unlikely to find this sort of stuff on non-religious websites... so just read part or all of it anyways! This one takes bible scripture, and attempts to interpret it into more simple terms. This website is a bit more heavy on the religious stuff, but so what? Alot of you are fascinated from what I have seen, about coincidences and predictions(remember that guy who predicted american civil war recently from the elections? heh)... so it shouldn't be any different just because its religious.

Bible Prophecy gives our generation ample warning to be ready for a coming nuclear holocaust. During the cold war with the former Soviet Union there had been much fear of mass death and destruction through the use of atomic bombs. The fear of nuclear holocaust has not left us. Various Terrorist Organizations are supplied with ample funds to plague America and the world with threats of biological, chemical, and even nuclear warfare.

The Bible gives credence to our fears. The prophet Zechariah spoke of a horrible event that would happen to those who have fought against Jerusalem in our present generation.
"And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth. . . And so shall be the plague of the horse, of the mule, of the camel, and of the donkey, and of all the beasts that shall be in these tents, as this plague." Zechariah 14:12-15

The above prophecy speaks of the Arab nations that have repeatedly fought against Israel. The mention of the camel as well as the horses and donkeys makes it quite clear that God is talking about the Arab peoples that have taken up arms against Israel in the Middle East. What other people have fought against Israel in our present time?

The Lord God predicts that the Arab people shall be plagued by something so powerful that their eye balls would literally consume away or "melt" in their eye sockets and their tongues would consume away or literally "melt" within their mouths. The above description graphically describes the condition of many of the Japanese citizens of Hiroshima and Nagasaki during the end of World War II. The heat of the atomic bombs was so great that it literally melted flesh off of human bones right down to the complete disintegration of the eyes and tongues within their skulls.

And that was some small random clipping I took from somewhere.


Well... let me just say, I had no idea where this post was gonna go. I opened it to write down some stuff, and then got distracted watching TV... then started searching some more, then got distracted. So if this thing is cursed with sloppy form, sue me!

At the very least, lets try to keep this relatively flame free.

 

[PickledGecko]

Firstly; a teacher once read a few lines from the bible and asked what we thought it described. I can't remember the exact line, but I believe it was something to do with a thing with 4 faces. Anyway someone said it sounded like a helecopter and the teacher agreed. I however didn't see the relationship, even after the idea was given to me. I think people see what they want to see in things like that. If you fear nuclear attak, you will see that, if you fear ebola, you will see that.

As for your assumption that it is Muslims that will be the victim, you are confusing Jerusalem with Israel. Jerusalem was once the possession of the Palastinians, so you could argue that the Jews are the agressors.

Bare in mind also, Christains see themselves as the natural progression of the Jewish religion, Jesus was "King of the Jews" and their Messiah, Muslims believe that Jesus was a Prophet and Mohammad was the "Last Prophet", therefore they consider Islam to be the natural progression of Judaism.

 

[azz0r]

Its easy to twist anything written in the bible.

 

[Raziaar]

Its easy to twist anything written in the bible.

I agree with that. Just like it easy really, to twist much of anything.

But tell me, what could they possibly be describing in the bible when they talk about the flesh being consumed completely while standing, and eyes melting, tongues melting.

Nothing back then could do any such thing. Not even the hottest fires back then would do that. Nor would being covered with magma. lol.

And besides... these people aren't saying this stuff is fact. They're merely interpreting what they could mean. Noone is certain.

 

[Kangy]

I don't believe any of this. I don't see the Bible as any more credible than Nostradamus, so eh. I guess what could have been happening is that they were imaging such impossibly powerful feats because it made God seem so... powerful to those who read it. Of course, it seems less powerful to us now as we can produce that kind of shit (horribly enough) ourselves.

l guess that the writer of the Bible was just kind of imaginative for his time. Like all good novel writers, I guess (not a religious criticism, just my personal opinion).

 

[Raziaar]

I don't believe any of this. I don't see the Bible as any more credible than Nostradamus, so eh. I guess what could have been happening is that they were imaging such impossibly powerful feats because it made God seem so... powerful to those who read it. Of course, it seems less powerful to us now as we can produce that kind of shit (horribly enough) ourselves.

l guess that the writer of the Bible was just kind of imaginative for his time. Like all good novel writers, I guess (not a religious criticism, just my personal opinion).

Fair enough. Everybody is entitled to their opinions.

I'm just curious if the whole 'israel being attacked by a combination of middle eastern nations along with russia' as described in the bible is too hokey too. Heh.

 

[jondy]

Hm; seems to me a little like looking at a shitload of horoscopes, finding one with something vaguely relevant to your life and going, 'Oh my God! That's incredible!'.

Anyone remember the Bible codes? Where everyone thought the Bible predicted a shitload of stuff, until the story went mainstream and mathematicians showed you can squeeze the same kindof stuff outof Dickens novels.

 

[Tr0n]

Well all I know is that we're gonna blow are selves up to hell and back someday.


Oh well...

/me shrugs

 

[Raziaar]

Well all I know is that we are gonna blow are selves to hell and back someday.


Oh well...

* Tr0n shrugs

Hell... RELIGION! HAH!

:E

 

[KoreBolteR]

twist the words to give them people what they want to hear, its all full of crap.

 

[Raziaar]

twist the words to give them people what they want to hear, its all full of crap.

I don't want nuclear holocaust :-P

 

[clarky003]

if anything remotely like this is going to happen it will be about old ideals vs new ideals, segregation of the human race , factions and so on.. it's pretty predicatable, just look at the way we treat others who dont believe in the same things, and vice versa. essentially its a struggle for resources in order to survive, when the establishments resources wear thin, electricity wears thin, when electricity wears thin, more people are forced to go without it (lower classes, people who cant afford it) people segregate some cramp into cities to get electricity, some revert back to armish times and stay in rural area's, alot like a moth to a flame, except we arnt as dumb as moth's we just depend on other people alot for our lives to be better.

 

[KoreBolteR]

I don't want nuclear holocaust :-P

yeah but people who do, made it up.

 

[Kangy]

The camel, mule, horse thing is up to different interpretations though. It all depends who's seeing it and what they want to get out of it.

 

[fokke]

One tough napalm can burn some too. Or Fritz the Firebomb. Although I don't know if God predicted those too. Nor did he know about Nucleair Bombs. According to the bible, he is more like a builder than a breaker

 

[Raziaar]

One tough napalm can burn some too. Or Fritz the Firebomb. Although I don't know if God predicted those too. Nor did he know about Nucleair Bombs. According to the bible, he is more like a builder than a breaker

What the hell is Firebomb Fritz? Also... I don't believe napalm can even come close to burning the entirety of the body's flesh before it hits the ground. Maybe if the guy is running around being burnt to a crisp.. before collapsing, but thats not the same as a nuclear bomb which can completely incinerate all the flesh etc of the body in an instant.

 

[fokke]

Firebomb Fritz is what the British called the German firebombs in battle of britain. I don't know if they have the same effect in that way as a napalm, and I'm not willing to try out. I hope you do understand..

 

[Mith']

Napalm proved rather effective against enemy materiel in World War II due to its ability to stick to metals, ceilings, walls, and moving objects. Its efficiency rests on the fact that it burns at 2060° C (3740°F), more than three times the melting point of structural steel.

And i heard that Alexander the great, or someone around his time, used primitive napalm, and he fought arabs. Alot closer to when the bible was written than 1945.

 

[Raziaar]

And i heard that Alexander the great, or someone around his time, used primitive napalm, and he fought arabs. Alot closer to when the bible was written than 1945.

Are you talking about Greek Fire? Greek fire came in the 600's AD I think. And it is very similiar to Napalm. NEITHER of which have the devastating properties of being able to completely incinerate a human being's flesh from his skin in a split instant. Nothing that man has realized before the dawn of the nuke could do this.

 

[baxter]

Hasn't there already been an holocaust based on somebodies Biblical and Christian believes ?

"My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God’s truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow my self to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice… And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows . For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people." –Adolf Hitler, in a speech on 12 April 1922

The bible , what a fairy tale, give me Lord Of the Kings anyday.

 

[Raziaar]

Except Hitler was a moron. A very intelligent moron, but a moron. Oxymoron you say? I say that too. So you're right. The bible is open to interpretation. Same as everything. I could pick up a book and use it as justification to commit crimes.



Besides... hitler was a man full of hatred. His interpretation of the bible served his own ends. The bible teaches to love the Jews. Ever wondered why the majority of Israel's allies are of Christian faith? That's not the entirety of the reason, but its there in part.

 

[baxter]

His interpretation of the bible served his own ends. The bible teaches to love the Jews

This is true and tolerate others.

You must kill those who worship another god. Exodus 22:20
Kill any friends or family that worship a god that is different than your own. Deuteronomy 13:6-10
Kill all the inhabitants of any city where you find people that worship differently than you. Deuteronomy 13:12-16
Kill everyone who has religious views that are different than your own. Deuteronomy 17:2-7
Kill anyone who refuses to listen to a priest. Deuteronomy 17:12-13
Kill any false prophets. Deuteronomy 18:20
Any city that doesn’t receive the followers of Jesus will be destroyed in a manner even more savage than that of Sodom and Gomorrah. Mark 6:11
Jude reminds us that God destroys those who don’t believe in him. Jude 5

Nice light reading for the would be mass murderer.

 

[clarky003]

is that really in the bible..? :O

 

[Raziaar]

This is true and tolerate others.

You must kill those who worship another god. Exodus 22:20
Kill any friends or family that worship a god that is different than your own. Deuteronomy 13:6-10
Kill all the inhabitants of any city where you find people that worship differently than you. Deuteronomy 13:12-16
Kill everyone who has religious views that are different than your own. Deuteronomy 17:2-7
Kill anyone who refuses to listen to a priest. Deuteronomy 17:12-13
Kill any false prophets. Deuteronomy 18:20
Any city that doesn’t receive the followers of Jesus will be destroyed in a manner even more savage than that of Sodom and Gomorrah. Mark 6:11
Jude reminds us that God destroys those who don’t believe in him. Jude 5

Nice light reading for the would be mass murderer.

I'm not aware of any of these things being preached or even being in the bible. Provide to me the actual scriptures. I can't find anything of that sort from my brief period of research.

All that stuff seriously smells of bullshit.


EDIT: In fact, take a look here. Compare them. These are the scriptures, and they are vague, but certainly don't order anybody to kill. In fact, the book of Deuteronomy explicity repeats the 10 commandments. One of which being Thou shalt not kill.

5:17. Thou shalt not kill.

http://www.tldm.org/bible/Old Testament/deuteron.htm


So while you accuse people of manipulating scripture to do evil deeds... you manipulate scripture to accuse the religion as a whole of evil deeds. The vast majority of followers would never even dream of doing anything your stated in your previous post.

So please, do a little research before you post something as awful as those.

 

[baxter]

Check it out for yourself.

http://www.evilbible.com/Evil Bible Quotes.htm

 

[Raziaar]

Check it out for yourself.

http://www.evilbible.com/Evil Bible Quotes.htm

And check out the link I posted. The stuff you have at that website is manipulating the scripture into stuff that is vehemently opposed to by the followers of the Christian faith.

You all cry out manipulation of the interpretations... yet do nothing when it is used to attack a religion? Right. Your nature and demeanor are easily visible.

God is certainly not portrayed in the bible as completely peaceful to those who oppose his views. This is no secret. What he does with those who go against him, he does himself... but that doesn't mean he has his followers kill people. The bible is very violent, in its depictions, but it certainly doesn't advocate evil violence.

So please. stop shovelling that bullshit around.

 

[baxter]

What a minute that is not my website

You asked for opinions and I gave you one.

like I said I prefer Lord of the Rings

 

[baxter]

Sorry I was rushing out when I posted last and did the dis service of not actually reading your link. I apologies.

13:10. With stones shall he be stoned to death: because he would have withdrawn thee from the Lord thy God, who brought thee out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage
13:15. Thou shalt forthwith kill the inhabitants of that city with the edge of the sword, and shalt destroy it and all things that are in it, even the cattle.
12:2. Destroy all the places in which the nations, that you shall possess, worshipped their gods upon high mountains, and hills, and under every shady tree:
12:3. Overthrow their altars, and break down their statues, burn their groves with fire, and break their idols in pieces: destroy their names out of those places
12:27. And shalt offer thy oblations, the flesh and the blood upon the altar of the Lord thy God: the blood of thy victims thou shalt pour on the altar: and the flesh thou thyself shalt eat
13:9. But thou shalt presently put him to death. Let thy hand be first upon him, and afterwards the hands of all the people.
17:5. Thou shalt bring forth the man or the woman, who have committed that most wicked thing, to the gates of thy city, and they shall be stoned

I actually got bored after reading so much of this drivel I gave up .
I have no desire to spend my Friday evening arguing the toss over the bible but will leave you with some quotes from your link.

My link by the way, rather than shovelling bullshit actually explains the scriptures in laymans terms

 

[Tr0n]

So much death and suffering in the bible... ;(

 

[CptStern]

meh the bible is alright ...where else would I learn that I'm allowed to have slaves, stone my wife to death for speaking out of turn and give my son a good whipping for questioning his father?

 

[OCybrManO]

These are the scriptures

I'm sorry to break it to you but... nope. Those are a couple thousand years worth of retranslations and reinterpretations of the scriptures. To the best of my knowledge the original Bible and maybe even the first few versions of it are gone forever. There are now Bibles specifically made for all kinds of religions. Why pick and choose what to believe from your Bible when someone has already made a version of the Bible that supports those beliefs?

 

[MjM]

The bible predicts lots of things, be a good person and hopefully you wont end up with 666.

 

[baxter]

meh the bible is alright ...where else would I learn that I'm allowed to have slaves, stone my wife to death for speaking out of turn and give my son a good whipping for questioning his father?

:cheers:

Amen

 

[Calanen]

I don't believe any of this. I don't see the Bible as any more credible than Nostradamus, so eh.

Nostradamus thus far has better hit prediction ratio than the Bible - either what he had to say was extraordinarily coincidental, but he predicted some things while he was still alive (like his own sovereign's death during a jousting tournment) and some other things. His other stuff written down is so vague that it is hard to know what he is talking about. He does refer to 'Hister' a lot, which it is argued could be 'Hitler.'

As far as the Bible predicting things, you could say if you believe Jesus was the son of God that the Old Testament predicted the Messiah. The jews disagree.

The real phrophecy is in revelation - but none of that seems to have happened yet. Unless of course you believe your Microsoft Window's key is the mark of the beast.

So I'd give Nostradamus a better track record than the bible, to date. Of course I'd revise that if the Four Horsemen of the Apocalyse come riding over the horizon shortly.

As for any part of the bible - mostly Revelation you can apply to lots of things if you want. People have said it is happening now. Or was happening 20 years ago. Some will say it will happen 500 years from now.

 

[KoreBolteR]

meh the bible is alright ...where else would I learn that I'm allowed to have slaves, stone my wife to death for speaking out of turn and give my son a good whipping for questioning his father?

Stern, im glad you and I actually agree on something.

how bs the bible actually is. :E

 

[Kangy]

So I'd give Nostradamus a better track record than the bible, to date. Of course I'd revise that if the Four Horsemen of the Apocalyse come riding over the horizon shortly.

I'm pretty sure you got my jist though. The bible has gone through so much that the reliability of any interpretted "predictions" are much akin to somebody taking our newspapers in a 1000 years and saying that we predicted the Mothman of Termamoth V invasion 200 years earlier because of a few choice words that sort of described part of what their weaponry did (melt the polar ice caps! Again!)

Why am I rambling on about Mothmen? Who knows :/

 

[baxter]

I'm pretty sure you got my jist though. The bible has gone through so much that the reliability of any interpretted "predictions" are much akin to somebody taking our newspapers in a 1000 years and saying that we predicted the Mothman of Termamoth V invasion 200 years earlier because of a few choice words that sort of described part of what their weaponry did (melt the polar ice caps! Again!)

Why am I rambling on about Mothmen? Who knows :/

Hey man I’m drunk as stunk and have no idea what you are on about

 

[CptStern]

Stern, im glad you and I actually agree on something.

how bs the bible actually is. :E

huh? you beat your slaves too?

 

[OCybrManO]

huh? you beat your slaves too?

I know I do... but not with anything thicker than my thumb... or did that law only apply for your wife?