NV vs ATI again CS:Source Bench

Cause it is. My 6800 Ultra @ stock gets way higher results than they got at the same settings. My 6800 Ultra matches their X800XT PE in all tests and when I OC mine it beats it by about 20%.
 
This is gonna be a fanboy pitfight! Woohoo!

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DarkStar said:
This is gonna be a fanboy pitfight! Woohoo!

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Im sry but im not a fanboi. That benchmark is complety bullshit. A 65% permformance increase in ATI favor? I knew Nvidia isnt good with d3d and i expected a 10-15% decrease in performnace compared w/ATI but 65% is bs.
 
I just tested 1600x1200 Max Everything 6xAA 16xAF and scored 81.79fps. I ran the test @ stock speeds. I then ran the test OCed to my 480/1.25 and scored 97.12fps. DriverHeaven must have been testing a Non-Ultra. OR they are a fanboi site and should stop spreading silly crap.
 
snak3y3z1001 said:
Im sry but im not a fanboi. That benchmark is complety bullshit. A 65% permformance increase in ATI favor? I knew Nvidia isnt good with d3d and i expected a 10-15% decrease in performnace compared w/ATI but 65% is bs.
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Oh I totally agree with you, those benchmarks look completely suspect. I'm just saying that this is going to end in tears.
 
Just tested my GT underclocked because of the weather and less of a system then theirs and i get 81FPS
 
azz0r said:
and once again ati owns nvidia.

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DriverHeaven is run by a bunch of ATi loving noobs. I thought this was a known fact. The 6800 Ultra is NECK and NECK with the X800XT PE. Infact in MY system is rapes their X800XT PE benches. HardOCP will prolly show a performance comparison and you will see that NVIDIA might even win.
 
yea i used to be an Nvidia Fan, but they gotta lot of catching upto do!

my next card = x800 no doubt, im still running my old Nvidia GF4-Ti4200 from the days when Nvidia were ahead of ATI ( Imo )

now days ATI are definatly the way to go
 
Jesus people, I hoped you guys would learn by now. The whole card war discussion is pointless. Now read.

- Doom 3 is released, with Nvidia cards obviously trouncing the shit out of ATI. The day before the game is released worldwide, ATI releases beta drivers that increase performance and announce that they're totally reworking their Open GL drivers which should significantly increase performance. Said drivers would then be released early to mid september. Doom 3 = Nvidia game. Coincidence? come on....

-CS:Source is released. ATI trounces Nvidia. Within the next few weeks, Nvidia will release new drivers and be back side by side with ATI.

The fact is, if you have any of the new generation cards, youll be able to comfortably play either game at the resolution of your choice so what does it matter? And as for image quality? When you're running around shooting barrels/people and or zombies, are you really going to be able to tell? Hell, I have a hard time telling the difference in side by side screenshots never mind mid game.

Now stop arguing and go kill things.
 
Coolpot said:
yea i used to be an Nvidia Fan, but they gotta lot of catching upto do!

my next card = x800 no doubt, im still running my old Nvidia GF4-Ti4200 from the days when Nvidia were ahead of ATI ( Imo )

now days ATI are definatly the way to go
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I don't know man. I'd wait to see some real benchmarks for HL2 to come out. While it's true that ATI rocked NVIDIA pretty hard last generation, these latest 6800 series cards from NVIDIA are absolutlely amazing.

NVIDIA definitely learned from their trouncing last go-round.
 
Yeh lol but at the moment the ATI card trounces the nvidia cards on 1 review sites which is notoriously biased. And all the rest have them side by side and my own testing trounces the scores they both got :|
 
snak3y3z1001 said:
*Ah Choo!*
I'm sry im allergic to bullshit.

Those benchmarks look completely fake.
This is more realisitc
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Im not going to deny that DH's test may be skewed also....


But that "realistic" set of benchmarks looks even more suspect.....
 
Coolpot said:
yea i used to be an Nvidia Fan, but they gotta lot of catching upto do!

my next card = x800 no doubt, im still running my old Nvidia GF4-Ti4200 from the days when Nvidia were ahead of ATI ( Imo )

now days ATI are definatly the way to go
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Are you people blind? That URL he posted is BS. They messed up on the benchmark.
 
crabcakes66 said:
Im not going to deny that DH's test may be skewed also....


But that "realistic" set of benchmarks looks even more suspect.....
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I just tested it myself and my 6800 Ultra beats their X800XT PE by alot. This is when I am not overclocked. When I OC I beat it by a HUGE margin. My Avg FPS is 80-100 at those resolutions and AA and AF.
 
See even the "legit" reviews i am seeing higher bechies then what they get :|

weirrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrd
 
Yeah, that first link looked totally wrong. Too bad I own an ATI!

Anyway, the other link had more realistic results. However, they ended up testing a more diverse range of hardware. I'd like to see some street prices along with the benches. Gives a more valuable result IMO.

Well, I'm not upgrading my 9600Pro AIW anytime soon, so I guess I'll have to be happy with what I get.
 
Here's my 2 cents on the whole thing. I've always perferred NVIDIA over ATI because I've had previous ATI problems out the yin yang. BTW, I'm not a NVIDIOT (NVIDIA fanboy) but I do own a 6800 GT. ATI does have some great performance and so does NVIDIA. I think those benchmarks are bull because the new gen cards are so close to each other performance wise, ATI can't beat NVIDIA by THAT MUCH. Get what I'm saying? Even if those benchies were true, the human eye can only see up to X amount of FPS and I'm sure it's between 30-60 (correct me if I'm wrong). So who cares if ATI gets 127 FPS and NVIDIA gets 101 FPS? You cannot tell a difference. HL2 will be playable on either brand of cards and will perform VERY WELL. Shoot, if a 9800 Pro can run HL2 (guessing) at 50-60 FPS, then most of us will be in great shape. Most everybody will have an enjoyable playing experience.

EDIT: Let me say something else too. If some people still like the "NVIDIA vs. ATI in HL2" competition, let's compare image quality in the final product whenever it comes out. That's really all you can compare, if that makes sense at all (read above).
 
There's no way the 6800 will get that low. And where exactly did this kid get a 6800U AND X800XT PE?! The cost of those 2 cards combined are over $1000, you could build a good gaming machine with that money! And I'm not a fanboy, personally I'll get whichever card is the best for what I can spend. I can't get the $500 cards, so right now Nvidia is the best choice for me as the 6800GT beats the X800 pro easily.
 
DH has been stacking the deck against the 6800U since it came out. They accused Nvidia of cheating in drivers with the 6800U twice with published articles, both times proved to be BS, and they've been benchmarking the 6800U with optimzations off versus the x800xtpe with optimizations on since then. Just because they are claiming to be fair here doesn't mean they actually are being fair, since their results seem way off base combined with their past history.

Driverheaven is an ATI fan site. Their results appear skewed in ATI's favor compared to user results and Gamer Depot's/VR-Zone's benchmarks. I would ignore the DH results and wait for more neutral results to become available, especially with the 65.62 drivers.
 
Im running cs source full details full everything getting 100-130 fps, go figure.

I ran the benchmark on the same detail settings that they did got 85fps, go figure.
 
I'm going to wait a day and look at some real benchmarks. The VST has only been available for 12 hours now. I doubt they did proper testing at 2 in the morning getting everything set up.

Even the GD benchmarks look suspect to me. I will wait and see when other sites post benchmark data.
 
Quoting Veridian3 about vr-zone benchmarks:
Probably also due to them using CS and me using Source with much more demanding environments.
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Gemini][ said:
Quoting Veridian3 about vr-zone benchmarks:
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veridian needs to explain why Gamers Depot used the same exact settings on the same exact benchmark and got way higher performance on Nvidia cards.
 
I've e-mailed Gabe asking him if the benchmark's have any basis in reality, hopefully I'll get a response and put this whole matter to rest once and for all.
 
The VR-Zone benches looked ok to me, even the 6800 non gt kept up the same fps as the other cards, but once they turned on 1600x1200 it took a 20 fps dip.
 
Seriously guys, get a life. If both cards can play at near maximum why do you argue.
 
Something is wrong with those benchmarks. Nvidia for the most part has fixed what was wrong with their cards from last generation. They may not have as good AA/AF as ati but it shouldnt hold them back that much. And there is no way D3D drivers would lose that much performance. ATI could have been optimizing the hell out of half life 2 for their x800's for the past couple months and put them in their 4.8 drivers just in time for half life 2 and cs source.
I think the people that did those bencmarks skrewed up somehow or there is something they arent telling us. I would like to see some official tests because Im getting sick of this nvidia ati BS. Nvidia is better for this game but ati is better for this game. I want a card that will play both games fine but not 30-65% less then the competeting card.
 
To back up Veridian claims:
I've got a system similar to the driver heaven test rig, and my Nvidia numbers seem to be on par with their reports.

Running at 1600x1200, 4xAA, 8xAF, everything on high, I also averaged just a bit above 50fps. I didn't run all their different tests, but the test above was consistent over 3 Video Stress test runs.

Running an Opteron 150/1GB Corsair XMS DDR 400/6800GT at Ultra clocks.

I was getting better fps (about 70) at 6xAA/16xAF, but I suspect AA was disabled as the GT seems to support 4x or 8x AA only.
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These benchmarks are obviously messed up, no doubt about that. The really sad part was in the thread follow up, where DriverHeaven forum members were trying to defend these benchmarks with blind fanboyism.

ATI's 6xAA looking better then NVidia's 8xSA? Rrrrrright.... :rolleyes:
 
If you read through some of the post you wil see a lot of the people with 6800 gt's saying they are getting the exact same FPS as what the ultra was getting (and in some cases more) with a slower CPU.
 
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