Nvidia and HL2 - Good News!

That’s good, but I don’t play with FSAA anyway because I get pretty low FPS if I do that.
 
Call me an ATI fanboy but i do not trust NVIDIA. I guess it is good for them if they CAN get some driver workaround for this problem but i fail to see how the drivers will solve an issue which so far has been described as a HARDWARE issue. That is Valve stated (unless i misunderstood) that NVIDIA cards at the moment do NOT have the hardware feature for the way they do AA so how can a driver solve this? My guess is that at most they can use drivers to emulate this missing feature which no doubt will run slower than actually having the hardware.

That being said, i dont really run games with AA on because i dont really care for the difference but i figure that if people have the money for these higher end cards then they probably have a system which can do 16x12 resolution and at that resolution AA is a little pointless.

My 2 cents.
 
Originally posted by Banana
Call me an ATI fanboy but i do not trust NVIDIA. I guess it is good for them if they CAN get some driver workaround for this problem but i fail to see how the drivers will solve an issue which so far has been described as a HARDWARE issue. That is Valve stated (unless i misunderstood) that NVIDIA cards at the moment do NOT have the hardware feature for the way they do AA so how can a driver solve this? My guess is that at most they can use drivers to emulate this missing feature which no doubt will run slower than actually having the hardware.

That being said, i dont really run games with AA on because i dont really care for the difference but i figure that if people have the money for these higher end cards then they probably have a system which can do 16x12 resolution and at that resolution AA is a little pointless.

My 2 cents.
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drivers tell the hardware what to do...
 
Originally posted by ferd
drivers tell the hardware what to do...
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Yes, to a point. Drivers cannot tell the hardware what to do if the hardware does not exist. That is exactly my point
 
No offense to Valve (you know I love 'em), but I would think Nvidia would know their own hardware better than Valve does. Why is it you would trust Valve to know what Nvidia hardware has or does not have over Nvidia?
 
You can emulate or suppliment in software through drivers if you have to.
 
i am still planning on buying a radeon 9800 or 9900
 
Originally posted by TheDrizzle
I would think Nvidia would know their own hardware better than Valve does. Why is it you would trust Valve to know what Nvidia hardware has or does not have over Nvidia?
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For one, Valve has said that they have been working closely with BOTH NVIDIA and ATI. So i think i am right in assuming that Valve knows what the hardware can do.

Second, it would be absurd for NVIDIA not to disclose this stuff to game companies for the reason that these companies are designing software to take advantage of said hardware. If the developers dont know what the hardware can or cant do then they cant design something for it. Makes sense does it not? I am not picking on NVIDIA with this second point, i think this is logical for both companies to do. I am not saying they disclose HOW the hardware accomplishes things...just WHAT is can accomplish.
 
Originally posted by Ahnteis
You can emulate or suppliment in software through drivers if you have to.
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I stated this. But as far as i know, emulating something always comes at a cost. It might run slower than hardware and it might not actually look as good as it is supposed to. Maybe the costs are so insignificant that it wont matter. Like i said, it wont matter to me so much.

I do find it interesting though how people's acceptance of technology comes about. I admit that i dont use AA or AF so much so i can indeed live without it but then there are people that use it and say they will die if HL2 doesnt have that feature. It is a nice enough feature i guess but it isnt really that important if you think about it. Well...it isnt that important to me i should say.
 
Well, chaning the "HOW" via drivers it might've been possible to change the "WHAT." I doubt Nvidia would be willing to share all their hardware secrets with another company, even if it is Valve.
 
no i cant honestly say I prefer either card, but it seems strange nvidia dont release the news officially, rather a FRIEND of nvidia.

It could just be a marketing scam to bring the balance back, i mean hl2 is a big marketing oppurtunity for gfx card retailers.
 
It could just be a marketing scam to bring the balance back, i mean hl2 is a big marketing oppurtunity for gfx card retailers.
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Yea this is what I was going towards. They could just be saying it so they make sure that they don't lose anyone because of what Valve stated earlier about thier cards.
 
Best thing to do in any case is wait until Sept 15th or so and see what is best at that time. THEN buy your new gfx card.
 
I will wait till nvidia announces that officially...I am still getting an ATI card since they are better...and if you can't stand that they are better go ahead and flame me!
 
Just bought a 9800 Pro and wouldn't ever take it back.. I love it. :)
 
Got my Gainward 5900U last monday and I couldnt be happier with this news. Great to see them work it out.
 
I trust Valve over Nvidia.

Why?

Because Nvidia needs people to buy this card or they'll suffer from 2 bomb cards in a row.. Visions of bankruptcy and going the way of 3DFX plague their dreams at night.
They can lie, make sales, and not be proved wrong until the game actually comes out. At which point they will be "surprised" & "working on a fix"
3D card manufacturers have lied and cheated before to make sales.

Valve will sell millions and millions of their game either way. Valve has stated that there is no hope for Nvidia card and only maybe for ATI.
Valve has nothing to gain from lying unless they own shares in ATI (which is possible)

I believe Valve until I hear them say "Nvidia's cards work now."
 
Umm. Ever since the FX came out, every sentence with the words "driver problem" and "will be fixed" means they will use some sort of workaround which might not exactly be considered ethical, proper, morally sound, and will cause a big problem all over internet forums.
 
I just clicked on the 'Finish Order' button on NewEgg for my ATI 9800 Pro (128 Meg version). I've had nVidia cards for 4 years now and it took a lot for me to go back to ATI. I'm hoping my 9800 Pro wont dissappoint once HL2 ships.

This news makes me skeptical ("a friend"?) but it's hope, nonetheless, for those still in the nVidia camp. Let us know how it works out.

Cheers,

EnochLight
 
Originally posted by TheDrizzle
No offense to Valve (you know I love 'em), but I would think Nvidia would know their own hardware better than Valve does. Why is it you would trust Valve to know what Nvidia hardware has or does not have over Nvidia?
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Id trust valve more than nvidia any day....
 
Originally posted by crabcakes66
Id trust valve more than nvidia any day....
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Maybe so, but you're saying Valve knows Nvidia hardware better than Nvidia does? If so, then you're nuts.

Originally posted by d8cam
I will wait till nvidia announces that officially...I am still getting an ATI card since they are better...and if you can't stand that they are better go ahead and flame me!
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I won't flame you at all. However you have no proof of them being better. Lol. You can say and believe what you want though.
 
Originally posted by Lifthz
Maybe so, but you're saying Valve knows Nvidia hardware better than Nvidia does? If so, then you're nuts.
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No definetly not. I sure as hell hope that nvidia knows there own products better than a software company.

I just mean i trust valves official press releases more.
 
Live chat with Nvidia driver team in 20 mintues. If you got Q's about HL2 and AA, this would probably be the best time to ask.

Warp2Search
 
to enter the discussion....
Nvidia know their hardware...but they dont know how it performs in the real-world all the time.

When they design the card, they actualy dsesign it on a PC, and emulate the card at about 2.5 or 3 Mhz on a monster of a PC to test out its basic functions. Then once it passes that test, they make tester cards......and they can only test it for so long till it has to be shipped.

Valve have had to stick to DirectX guidelines in order for their GFX technology to work properly on a variety of different cards. So when u enable one thing in a GFX engine, its supposed to just work on say a GF4 and a Radeon 8500 because they both are supposed to run a particular version of directX, and are compatable.

Its NOT valve's fault if a manufacturer (like Nvidia) gets the standard wrong. Infact, we can all blaim Microsoft for this fiasco. They had not got teh standard right for AA in DirectX9, so when card designers went to make this in hardware, they either had to improvise or guess how it could be done. Now that MS appears to be fixing it, ATi seemed to have guess right. Nvidia seem to have guessed wrong.

I would say that ATi's will be a simple fix. Valve reccomend ATI cards all the time now. Nvidia will have to ship a dirver with a built-in DX9 AA emulator of some sort to emulate the hardware missing from the card, which will eat into the performance of the card...again, Ati come on top.

With ATi's new cards about to be unleashed aswell, I think its high-time we al started buying ATi products...I'll soon be ditching my GF4-4400Ti for an ATi card myself.

-Obraxis
 
i never like ndivie. they seemd to looze quality since the radeon 9700 pro kicked ass therfore creating a bad product (geforce FX) and thier drivers are loozing. getting wors everytime

nah. Ati all the Way
 
Nvidia's video cards may not be as good as ATi's cards, but their nForce2 chipset owns.
 
Yeah... "my friend who works for nvidia says..." does not cut it.

HL2 developers say "Not a freakin chance that GeForce FX cards can run HL2 with FSAA active...no driver will fix it."

Some guy who's cousin's roommate's father's ex-wife's lover's bastard child's orthodontist pulled some teeth of a janitor who works in Valve's offices says "Detonator version 69.69 is gonna fix this problem" and we believe him?
 
Actually, I dunno now. If NVIDA can fix this with their drivers merely by shifting power around, that actually sounds far easier then getting Microsoft to get off its fat ass and update DX9 properly for ATI to use centroid sampling.
 
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