Nvidia slams Ati Crossfire

[CptStern]

NVIDIA tells us the truth about CrossFire

I simply dont know enough about crossfire to make any sort of judgement ...maybe our resident tech guru Asus can shed some light

 

[duffers20]

Hmm, I agree with you cpt, don't know enough to make a fair judgement on this. I will only decide on whether Sli or Crossfire is better when I see some actual benchmarks that I know are genuine.

 

[NikolaX]

view my post over at Hexus http://forums.hexus.net/showthread.php?t=54808&page=2&pp=15

this is direct reply from ATI :

As far as resolutions go - it needs to be pointed out that :-
CrossFire is a platform - not a 'single release' product
The X850 XT CrossFire platform is pitted against 6800 Ultra SLi
We will soon release a solution that will go against 7800GTX SLi
The last major research I saw showed that the most popular resolutions for most users were 1024x768 or 1280x1024 (i.e. regular sized TFTs)
Somewhere over 99% of users will play at 1600x1200 or less
The X850 and X800 CrossFire platforms are aimed squarely at the mass market

Somewhere around Tuesday next week, the world's leading web sites (no need to retune - you are on one already !) may well be able to confirm that they have recently seen some very big screens driven by our latest technology !

As far as time to market goes - I am pretty sure that I saw the first SLi boxes in the press around 9 months before I could buy a complete kit on a UK web site... which would make us something like 50% more efficient in terms of delivery - with a more rounded and flexible product (simply put - more features in half the time)

As far as performance goes - it seems our green friends have used a little 'time tunnel' practice to see if they can make a claim look inaccurate.

Imagine an advert that said "Matrox Millennium: Fastest Graphics in the world !"

If I told you that it was a lie because the 7800GTX was quicker...

...would that be (a) reasonable or (b) a case of Doh !

The statement 'X850XT CrossFire gives the best gaming performance in the world' was 100% true when we printed it and we stand by it

As far as CrossFire AA settings and IQ go - this will be very interesting

We picked the figure of 14x AA because it was an accurate description of the output quality when using 6x on both cards and then 2x over the top

I am certain that some of my marketing buddies in other companies would have put 'real world IQ' to one side and engaged you with 6 x 2 x 2 = 24x AA !!! as a marketing message - we decided acccuracy/honest was more important

I am still confused by nVidia's push on HDR given their huge limitations... but I won't get drawn into that one until the start of next month

As far as 'supporting all games' goes - it is nice to hear that nVidia are investing a little time/effort/money to ensure that when loyal customers go out and spend $600 etc on a second card that they can actually count on gettig at least an extra frame or two a second improvement

What would also be nice would be a commitment that loyal customers who purchased a 6800 Ultra SLI enabled system with a single card a few days before 7800 was announced... would still be able to buy the second new card within the next couple of years. Not to worry, I am sure that they will not leave customers stranded

'ATI does not use game profiles'
...oh dear...
I think that have made something up and then challenged it !
By default, CrossFire benefits the user in all cases - but you can also add profiles to specific games to make things even better
Would it be funny if we all made up statements and then used them to accuse the competition of X, Y & Z


There is more - but I have spent enough time this morning on this and I am off to the swimming pool with my kids


p.s. it goes without saying that I have typed my responses on the basis that this nVidia document is genuine and has been deliberately made available to press/public/customers etc.
If a 'false' document - covered with official nVidia logos and loaded with inaccuracies - were made available on a site by someone other than nVidia, then I would expect them to ask the site to remove it because they would be breaching all sorts of copyrights.
To be clear: If it stays 'live' on that site - then it must be official and I guess nVidia stand by all of the statements made 100%

 

[MiccyNarc]

The statement 'X850XT CrossFire gives the best gaming performance in the world' was 100% true when we printed it and we stand by it

When it was printed. HAH!

That's hilarious.

"Yeah this 100 Mhz 486 is top of the line! Best performance available!"
"But wait, I just bought a 2.5 Ghz Athlon that beats the crap out of that processor"
"HEY IT WAS TRUE WHEN I PRINTED IT!"

 

[Ren.182]

Kinda wish i went with Nvidia when i brought my new computer. But oh well...

 

[WhiteZero]

A company "telling the truth" about their competitor?
It's called propaganda...
-.-

 

[MiccyNarc]

A company "telling the truth" about their competitor?
It's called propaganda...
-.-

AFAIK ATI did something similar a few months back.

 

[WhiteZero]

AFAIK ATI did something similar a few months back.

Yah... it's propaganda.
Just about every company uses it to get people to use their product rather than the other guy.

You shouldent take any kind of badmouthing too seriously from a companties direct competitor.

 

[Asus]

ATI was planning to release Crossfire much earlier but they changed their minds.

Nvidia is just taking some old promos that ATI had and is using it to make themselves look good. When you understand that this is OLD stuff then what Nvidia is saying means nothing. Although they both do it and they don't let a chance to slam each other go by. Just ignore it.

Also, ATI says it can do multi rendering on all applications that means that it can and is programed to work with all your games. When Nvidia points that out and says SLI can do multi rendering on all applications too, they mean they can but they havn't got it working but for a few games. So there is a difference, just Nvidia is trying to distract from the idea.

 

[giant384]

lol i dont believe any responses anymore no one is for sure all this is true or not intil ati accutlly releases the card

 

[TheGrimSweeper]

Both sides are guilty of stuff like this.

The Point is, both ATI and Nvidia alternate for whos on top. Right now Nvidia is on top. When the 9800 came out, ATI was on top.

 

[Dumb Dude]

I don't think thats real. I mean, look how stupid that Luna character's picture is. Its BALDY inserted and looks nothing like a real Nvidia slide show would look.

 

[Reaktor4]

lol what a load of bs propaganda
i think nvidia are starting to shit themselves about r520
and ati have replied, apparently

 

[NJspeed]

What I'd like to know is if that's all really true.

 

[OCybrManO]

Well, it's like comparing an X1800 to a 6800... they're not even in the same generation. Of course a last generation card is going to be "out of date" compared to the one that was just released. NVidia is just stating the absurdly obvious here... and hoping people assume it means that ATi sucks. Oh, and that thing about the 16 vs 14 quality levels is useless because there is no standard for something to be called "quality level 1" or "quality level 16." In fact, in at least one of the previous generations ATi's AA turned out better results a few levels "below" NVidia's AA because they were implemented differently. Also, what kind of difference do you get from the jump from 8x AA to 16x AA (much less 14 to 16)? Would it even be noticeable? It seems like overkill to me.

Yep, it's basic marketing... don't expect an accurate appraisal of the situation by either side. That's why there are independant reviewers.