Obama claims Democratic victory

[Mr Stabby]

Obama's pro-Isrealism would've put him more to the right actually.

How is supporting Israel a right-wing standpoint exactly? Seems irrelevant to the political spectrum.

 

[Absinthe]

Indeed. Furthermore, what exactly would make a pro-Palelestinian standpoint liberal?

 

[The Monkey]

How is supporting Israel a right-wing standpoint exactly? Seems irrelevant to the political spectrum.

Generally, in Sweden at least, Israel-leaning parties are liberal/conservative, while Palestine-leaning countries tend to be more socialist. I thought this was the case in the whole of Europe.

 

[Mr Stabby]

That maybe the trend, but it's nothing more than a trend, the political spectrum refers to ideological beliefs and I don't see how being pro-Israel is ideologically right-wing.

 

[staticprimer]

Obama's pro-Isrealism would've put him more to the right actually.

With the state of politics in the US right now, not being pro-Israel is tantamount to political suicide.

 

[Kadayi]

With the state of politics in the US right now, not being pro-Israel is tantamount to political suicide.

Whose running the Country the American Citizenry or the Israeli lobby? Frankly I was bemused that having secured the candidacy one of the first things Obama did was pledge his support for Israel: -

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7435883.stm

forget thanking the people who voted or promising to lead America out of the looming depression, instead commit to making a lot of end timers and zionists happy...

 

[Laivasse]

It was a speech to Aipac. Shitty scheduling, but who's to know if he even had a say in that. Clinton was there too, going through the same motions. Unfortunately in the US there's a false dichotomy even among the citizenry that tends to say you can either be pro-Israel or you can be soft-on-islamic-terrorism, but those are the only two positions available. This is a view that's particularly prevalent among fundies and conservative types (which is why support of Israel tends to get seen as right wing), but my impression is that there are enough people who sympathise with it to indeed make it political suicide for Obama to be anything other than vocally pro-Israel. The press would be all over him otherwise and he'd lose what chance he has of winning over some faltering Republicans. I doubt it's much more than bluster though.

At least Obama is promoting diplomacy throughout the middle east. Take a look at this McCain campaign soundbyte to see what kind of mindset he's appealing to:

"[Obama's sets forth] a false choice... that the only diplomacy that can work is with Iranian leaders".

"And Senator McCain has a very different view, that the kind of diplomacy we should pursue is with our allies."

Wow. Let's enter into diplomatic talks with only our allies. I don't know where to begin with the idiocy of that statement.

 

[Saturos]

Because her "working class white" bedrock of support is backward and retarded.

Surprise surprise! Hicks won't vote for Osama!

Without the working and middle classes to do everyone else's work though, the wealthy (capitalist/old money) and low-income under-classes will topple like a house of cards.

It would be wise to support the middle class lest we fall into social poverty akin to what it was like during the dark ages. At the current rate of things, the middle class is diminishing. Not a good thing.

You were saying that Hillary's support for the middle class made no sense then rather than saying supporting the middle classes altogether is retarded? :dozey:
Futhermore, I agree with the whole "white working class" segregation thing. Racial profiling is retarded. Every color and legal immigrants should have an equal opportunity fs.
People should be rewarded opportunity for their merits and citizenship, not color. Regardless if your black, white, yellow, or brown. Dare I say though that it just seems that many black Americans living under low-income wages won't take the opportunity that's literally been given to them, and much more. Used to be that, "there's no excuse for poverty" in America. Hard to say that nowadays given the current economic situation here though. Especially for the struggling working/middle classes.

Yes, I'm a hick in case you were wondering, but an extremely well educated hick at that. Not really conservative or liberal either, but somewhere in between.

So yeah, go ahead and say, "I beg to differ" if you want.

I'm not sure who to vote for anymore tbh. I don't necessarily care for any of the current candidates. If I vote Democrat, I feel like I'll just be driving a nail into the coffin of my future career in the NAVY as far as wages go, and if I vote Republican, I'll feel like a tard for voting for a party that really isn't fiscally responsible on the home front. Why can't they just adpot a policy that splits federal taxes down the middle evenly so that both the military and home front can be well maintained? It just can't be that simple though can it?

 

[Solaris]

This is interesting. US candidates on political compass.

 

[Raziaar]

Not really something that should be alarming for anybody though, considering how much of the rest of Europe's countries fare on the same chart.

http://www.politicalcompass.org/euchart

 

[Absinthe]

Yes, I personally think we should move all the working whites out of this country. Then we'll be free of racial bias.

My comment wasn't meant to be all that serious, nor did I ever say or imply that the middle class should just be ignored or abandoned. But there's no denying that one of her strengths among that demographic is the color of her skin. Are they all racist? No. But the average voter is more likely to be. Or if they're not racist, they have some ridiculous fear of affirmative action run amok.

 

[Saturos]

Yes, I personally think we should move all the working whites out of this country. Then we'll be free of racial bias.

Whatever. Don't say I didn't warn you though when America folds along with the middle class.

BTW, read again. If you actually take the time to comprehend the post, you'll see that I meant working/middle class blacks too. Your not implying that I'm racist are you? God I hope not. I hate it when people who lack the intelligence to read misinterpret my post and call me something I'm not. *I don't necessarily mean you though Absinthe*

 

[Solaris]

Whatever. Don't say I didn't warn you though when America folds along with the middle class.

BTW, read again. If you actually take the time to comprehend the post, you'll see that I meant working/middle class blacks too. Your not implying that I'm racist are you? God I hope not. I hate it when people who lack the intelligence to read misinterpret my post and call me something I'm not. *I don't necessarily mean you though Absinthe*

'Lack the intelligence to read'. Your hardly the intelligensia of the forum yourself.

And I certainly believe you are a racist. It's hard to interpret your post granted. It is written as incoherently as always but I shall quote it in full:

It wouldn't be so bad if the middle class here in the US wasn't getting strained to the breaking point. Economically speaking.

US medicine:
The rich- Speaks for itself tbh.

The poor- Government aid. (a.k.a The money from the over-taxed middle class) Especially if your a minority. Assholes, get an education and a job.

The middle- Good luck. Might as well file bankruptcy in hopes you can get aid like the poor. Even then, if your not a minority, your screwed.

From this thread: http://www.halflife2.net/forums/showthread.php?t=142073&highlight=saturos

How could anyone interpret that in any other way that you have some bias against minorities.

You are a racist in denial.

 

[Saturos]

'Lack the intelligence to read'. Your hardly the intelligensia of the forum yourself.

And I certainly believe you are a racist. It's hard to interpret your post granted. It is written as incoherently as always but I shall quote it in full:

From this thread: http://www.halflife2.net/forums/showthread.php?t=142073&highlight=saturos

How could anyone interpret that in any other way that you have some bias against minorities.

You are a racist in denial.

Yes, I've though about this, and I retract that poorly worded statement. The minorities aren't the assholes, the white politicians are for spoiling them. Don't know about you guys, but I wouldn't want tons of help from the government unless I was a quadreplegic with no family.
Even then I'd feel like big brother is watching me at every corner since they'd be stuffing my pockets. Bah, I just wouldn't feel comfortable. I would feel weak and dependent.
Also, if I was black, I'd be ashamed to ask for a bunch of government support just because of my skin color.

To relate this to the topic, I hope Obama teaches them how to fly and shoves them out of the nest if he does get elected. The whole racial profiling has gone on for more than a century in America now (both whites and blacks) and it's getting ridiculous.
Not likely he shares any viewpoint on that issue like Bill Cosby does though.
Dr. Martin Luther King would agree with me as well I'm afraid. It was his dream to create an organized union where all working men were equal according to their MERITS, not their SKIN COLOR.

 

[Solaris]

Also, if I was black, I'd be ashamed to ask for a bunch of government support just because of my skin color.

What? See this is why I think your a racist. You say racist things, then retract it and make ludicrous claims up about how black people get money for being black.

It's just not true.

 

[Saturos]

What? See this is why I think your a racist. You say racist things, then retract it and make ludicrous claims up about how black people get money for being black.

It's just not true.

You know what? Blacks are racist too. So are Asians. It's a tribal thing. Whites, blacks, yellows, etc. all seem to side with their own kind over another under times of great stress, and I'm sick of it.
Some say it's a primitive throwback from days of pre-history.

You know what else? Your still don't seem to be comprehending anything I say.

It's like your brain works like an internet search engine. You only see keywords, black and racist, then you go spouting off lies about me being racist.

Just be quiet if you don't know how to philosophize open mindedly without insulting me will you? :dozey:

 

[Solaris]

You know what? Blacks are racist too. So are Asians. It's a tribal thing. Whites, blacks, yellows, etc. all seem to side with their own kind over another under times of great stress, and I'm sick of it. Some say it's a primitive throwback from days of pre-history.

You know what else? Your still don't seem to be comprehending anything I say.
It's like your brain works like an internet search engine. You only see keywords, black and racist, then you go spouting off lies about me.
Just be quiet if you don't know how to philosophize open mindedly without insulting me will you? :dozey:

That's pathetic really. 'Blacks are racist' so it's okay for you to be too? What do you even mean? Do you believe all blacks are racist? I really cannot understand what you are trying to communicate.

What I say has nothing to do with a search engine. You implied 'black people' want money because they are black and you are better than them because you wouldn't do that.

You're retreating into your corner like the coward you are. Embrace your racism, admit it, so we can see you for who you are. Instead of trying to brush it away with this 'it's tribal' bullshit.

I seriously do not understand how anyone here can treat you with an ounce of respect when your posts are so devoid of any attempt at reasoning and so full of bigotry. If you didn't capitalise your letters, I'd say you were the lemonking reincarnate.

 

[Saturos]

That's pathetic really. 'Blacks are racist' so it's okay for you to be too? What do you even mean? Do you believe all blacks are racist? I really cannot understand what you are trying to communicate.

What I say has nothing to do with a search engine. You implied 'black people' want money because they are black and you are better than them because you wouldn't do that.

You're retreating into your corner like the coward you are. Embrace your racism, admit it, so we can see you for who you are. Instead of trying to brush it away with this 'it's tribal' bullshit.

I seriously do not understand how anyone here can treat you with an ounce of respect when your posts are so devoid of any attempt at reasoning and so full of bigotry. If you didn't capitalise your letters, I'd say you were the lemonking reincarnate.

Hush you. With your, "Fisher-Price, below the age of two" logic. Wahhhahaha! *ahem* Sorry. I've always wanted to say that here. :|

No. I was implying that racial profiling seemed to be a natural instinct. I wasn't implying that me, you, or the black guy next to me is racist.

 

[Atomic_Piggy]

TBF saturos has a point: Racial profile, and indeed all profiling based on sex, hair colour, any difference, does seem to be human nature. Personally, I think we should all concentrate on what makes us similar rather than different, but people are dumb.

 

[Sulkdodds]

Solaris is right, but this is absurd so you both get infractions. Nigg - I mean, uh, Obama, please.

 

[clarky003]

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5g-qGLDs-gAnZiUXD2NU51ry3j3dwD914B1O00

They both went to meetings together, and reports say they went to northern virginia. Obama just got up and went apparently, the media groups following him thought he would be on his plane with his team, and at the last minute he was detoured to the meetings. And of course it's not a coincidence that the 2008 Bilderberg meetings are taking place in a Mariot Hotel in Northern Virginia right now.

Here's the 'official' attendance list, the names in there are interesting to say the least.

http://aotearoaawiderperspective.wordpress.com/2008/06/06/official-2008-bilderberg-participant-list/

Someone said to me the other day.. if 200 famous actors decided to meet up for several days at a location together the media would certainly want to know what's happening. Yet not one single US mainstream media outlet attempts to even pick up on 200 of the richest most influencial families and people meeting up in one building in their own country. Completely boggles the mind.

 

[Absinthe]

BTW, read again. If you actually take the time to comprehend the post, you'll see that I meant working/middle class blacks too. Your not implying that I'm racist are you? God I hope not. I hate it when people who lack the intelligence to read misinterpret my post and call me something I'm not. *I don't necessarily mean you though Absinthe*

It's real simple, Saturos. Somebody asked why Hillary voters would switch to McCain, and I gave a pretty obvious explanation for some of that. But somehow you've extrapolated that into some stupid ideological "war on the middle class" that I never supported, mentioned, or even hinted at outside of some dumb, bad jokes. I can't say I understand how you got the impression I was calling you racist, either.

 

[Solaris]

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5g-qGLDs-gAnZiUXD2NU51ry3j3dwD914B1O00

They both went to meetings together, and reports say they went to northern virginia. Obama just got up and went apparently, the media groups following him thought he would be on his plane with his team, and at the last minute he was detoured to the meetings. And of course it's not a coincidence that the 2008 Bilderberg meetings are taking place in a Mariot Hotel in Northern Virginia right now.

Here's the 'official' attendance list, the names in there are interesting to say the least.

http://aotearoaawiderperspective.wordpress.com/2008/06/06/official-2008-bilderberg-participant-list/

Someone said to me the other day.. if 200 famous actors decided to meet up for several days at a location together the media would certainly want to know what's happening. Yet not one single US mainstream media outlet attempts to even pick up on 200 of the richest most influencial families and people meeting up in one building in their own country. Completely boggles the mind.

It's becuase press and outsiders are absolutely not allowed and what is said cannot be repeated.

It offers a good oppertunity for influencial people to talk off the record with each other.

 

[Saturos]

It's real simple, Saturos. Somebody asked why Hillary voters would switch to McCain, and I gave a pretty obvious explanation for some of that. But somehow you've extrapolated that into some stupid ideological "war on the middle class" that I never supported, mentioned, or even hinted at outside of some dumb, bad jokes. I can't say I understand how you got the impression I was calling you racist, either.

A misunderstanding then on my part. My bad. Regardless, I do support the middle classes and union policies however.

We need a president though with super genius financial skills to pull America out of her debt and can make the right decisions on policies concerning outsourcing and oil prices. Same goes for the legislative branch too when the next president is elected. They need congressmen to work in their favor.

 

[Raziaar]

Don't need a president with super genius financial skills actually. You need a president who is capable of finding the appropriate people with super genius financial skills and guiding them to work in a proper, effective way.

 

[Saturos]

Don't need a president with super genius financial skills actually. You need a president who is capable of finding the appropriate people with super genius financial skills and guiding them to work in a proper, effective way.

True. Actually, I should have said that the president should find a secretary of Treasury with super genius financial skills, and well as the appropriate congressmen to support the new president and his cabinet.

 

[clarky003]

It's becuase press and outsiders are absolutely not allowed and what is said cannot be repeated.

It offers a good oppertunity for influencial people to talk off the record with each other.

If you truely believe that off the record BS then that's quite hilarious. That exact phrase ' good oppertunity for influencial people to talk off the record' is just bleeting what the one and only mainstream source in america says is justification for the groups meetings. The very fact it exists goes against the Logan act, and as such it is justifiably criminal, so don't be so naive.

 

[Solaris]

Logan act?
This isn't 24.

 

[Raziaar]

Hillary Clinton has now given support to Obama by telling her supporters to help get him elected.

They'd be idiots to vote for Mccain! They should do what the mean lady tells them.

 

[Laivasse]

I bet it really stuck in her craw to have to say that. Hillary should have started doing this weeks ago, instead of being so damn pigheaded that even her defeat speech made it sound like she was going to keep campaigning up until the Democratic convention. The unity of the party doesn't mean shit to her; the only reason she's doing this now is because she really doesn't have any option left, if she wants to avoid becoming a complete parody of herself.

 

[Winning22]

I just came to the conclusion the only canadate worth voting for is Obama.. I was going to come on here and say Obama for the lose.. but you know I just thought about it for it.. I want someone as far away as George Bush jr as possible. So i will most likely vote for obama.