kineaesth
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Well, we ****ed that up I guess. Sorry!I want the forum to not be the cesspit of insular jerks
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Well, we ****ed that up I guess. Sorry!I want the forum to not be the cesspit of insular jerks
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I want to go on record saying that I did not intend to be derogatory in my first post in this thread, explaining Badhat's post. I was greatly amused at how badly Rorschach took Badhat's jokey post, and I can see how my post expressing this amusement could have made things worse for him. But I didn't actually mean for it to be a "haha you idiot, see ya" post. Just pure amusement. I thought we could all have a laugh at it afterwards, but how wrong I was. It was short sighted of me I suppose, but it could have been fine.
And then you made your post saying we should be more careful, and I interpreted that as you telling badhat to be more careful, which of course sounded ridiculous to me. And then the rest was history.
You picked an odd post to randomly come back from the dead to reply to, with that of all things.
Anyway, newbie central is just the general area for welcome threads. It's not uncommon for people who have returned after a long time to make a thread in there.
Here are some facts:
1. The forum is unpopular lately because that's what happens to internet forums in 2013 about a game developer that doesn't have much to discuss (until hl3 or a new game is afoot)
1b. It is not because of any 'attitudes'. You're letting a few squeeky wheels warp your perception of reality here. You can not prove that people are choosing not to register after seeing how we talk to eachother on here. That's not even how new people join forums; they usually have a specific question to ask, or topic they want to discuss, which they will sign up to post.
2. You can't tell a bunch of people who have been community members for years, who are keeping the site alive, how to act. Especially when you yourself do not have as much experience being a part of this community as we do. And please don't try to claim that you do. It's naive and insulting. I've been posting here actively without any breaks for over 9 years, and everyone else here who is a long time member disagrees with your idea of "improving" the forum.
I have to have some amount of dignity here. I've contributed massively to this forum's activity and made a lot of friends. I've organized group gaming events in here and in the steam chatroom. I treat members new and old with an attitude that you're trying to say is a problem that needs to be fixed. Sorry, but you can't make that call. You may be on the staff but you actually do not have the tie to the community that I have to tell me that I'm wrong and you're right. Every other member with more experience on this forum than you is all the support I need to say this confidently. Trying to tell all of us that we need to change our act for you is an outright insult, and like Stig says, is the opposite of helping the forum.
If some people's actions have not been a problem in that past, it's not because those actions should not have always been discouraged, but because active moderation has been virtually nonexistent. If there were any one else, don't you think they would have spoken up by now in this very thread? I invited other staff to come here and set me straight if they disagreed. There's been nothing, and I think because while my words have beenlikely far too sharpok certainly too sharp, it's that they do not disagree.
And, when I say that all that needs to be done is for people to respect one another, to not jump down someone's throat that's really the issue at hand. You're reading into my words things I don't feel.
BadHat made a joke that was sarcastic, but not the personal attack it was read as. Rorschach got upset at a perceived slight and reacted the way people often do to being repeatedly jabbed at. This situation itself wasn't bad, what happened next was many commentators jumping onto him for being too thin skinned and good riddance, etc. THAT is where the problem lay. Something was innocently misinterpreted and then through the small actions of multiple people it was turned into a big deal.
Vegeta did explain that he felt it was a joke (and not to call him out specifically) but the tone of his post is derogatory. There was no other attempt to correct him in a reasonable manner. And please don't quote single sentences to prove that wrong, the tone of nearly every post after his misunderstanding is one of "good riddance".
My whole set up is around 3 grand market price.
Oh my god I'm in tears. This is the greatest thing of all things.
Wow, what an amazingly serendipitous time to remove the "dislike" button and replace it with options that can only ever be interpreted as positive endorsements!
We are now NiceTime.net
Not while I still draw breath.We are now NiceTime.net
Not while I still draw breath.
See this guy? This guy I like.Not while I still draw breath.
I forgot all about that thread because it was so awesome and things around here are so tame.
See this guy? This guy I like.
You new guys probably wouldn't even think of making a Christmas roulette banning thread, let alone pull the trigger on it.
At least you got to roll the dice on custom title or bannage. Stylo wasn't even there.
I played it twice!I actually didn't participate.
But I'm still awesome.
Two face lifts in two months. I think we have a new record.
and I had to actually force myself to finish it.
If people are unable or unwilling to not treat people poorly, then whatever happens happens.