OH NO! Not again!

Alec_85 said:
Yeah I know S. Korea is more "Western" than N. Korea (ain't very hard) but if the terrorists would start doing this A LOT to countries such as that one, things might change politically. This could apply to any anti-U.S. country practically.
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but this will most likely never happen. it's not like the terrorists are randomly targetting countries/people. the s. korean was executed because s. korea is part of the coalition. the terrorist have no cause to attack n. korea. i can't think of a country that al-qaeda would want to attack other than those in the coalition anyway.. maybe india (pakistan) and china (uighurs). but i doubt they're stupid enough to spread the conflict like that to two powerful enemies.
 
As a fairly devout Roman Catholic, Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson are absolute disgraces to Chrisitanity. They twist the worlds of Christ in the same way that OBL and Al-Qaida twist the Koran.
 
SFLUFAN said:
As a fairly devout Roman Catholic, Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson are absolute disgraces to Chrisitanity. They twist the worlds of Christ in the same way that OBL and Al-Qaida twist the Koran.
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Thats a good point, its often noted that not all muslims are bad people yet Christians are generalised under the same category as those who are seen in the media.


The truth is, just because someone is religious they don't lose their individuality...Ok they will obviously gain some similarities, but Christians and any other religious person can have a different opinion to someone in their faith. Does that make them or their faith wrong? No...
 
I think most people know that lunatics like Falwell represent the fundamentalist or extremeist viewpoint of christianity, and are the exception rather then the norm
 
Lil' Timmy said:
but this will most likely never happen. it's not like the terrorists are randomly targetting countries/people. the s. korean was executed because s. korea is part of the coalition. the terrorist have no cause to attack n. korea. i can't think of a country that al-qaeda would want to attack other than those in the coalition anyway.. maybe india (pakistan) and china (uighurs). but i doubt they're stupid enough to spread the conflict like that to two powerful enemies.
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Perhaps not, but I wouldn't be too surprised if groups like the CIA are considering performing some secret work to make something like that happen. At least they are probably planning to do something that will cause some violent Muslim groups to go against each other. Not that I would really mind if they were to do it.
 
Lil' Timmy said:
the terrorist have no cause to attack n. korea.
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Well I don't think they have any valid causes to attack anyone. No matter if they are part of a coalition or not. That's just searching for an excuse so they can kill people. I bet most of the terrorists enjoy killing those innocent (more or less. whatever.) hostages anyway. There's nothing that says that they wouldn't have killed him anyway. That's why the U.S. do not negotiate with terrorists (well as far as we know anyway).
 
Alec_85 said:
Well I don't think they have any valid causes to attack anyone. No matter if they are part of a coalition or not. That's just searching for an excuse so they can kill people. I bet most of the terrorists enjoy killing those innocent (more or less. whatever.) hostages anyway. There's nothing that says that they wouldn't have killed him anyway. That's why the U.S. do not negotiate with terrorists (well as far as we know anyway).
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validity has nothing to do with it. imo, the terrorists are fighting out of 1) hatred and/or 2) the hope of winning something (land, percieved freedom from western/non-muslim oppression, w/e). attacking n. korea would achive nothing towards either of those. personally, i doubt they are killing for the joy of killing.. they could all chose much easier targets than coalition members if that were the case (especially in a relatively lawless place like iraq).
 
Maybe not enjoying it but I doubt they go like "Oh noes do we have to kill him? He seems like such a nice guy! Aaw man!" either ;)
 
Alec_85 said:
Maybe not enjoying it but I doubt they go like "Oh noes do we have to kill him? He seems like such a nice guy! Aaw man!" either ;)
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no, probably not..

but i'm not saying they don't enjoy it, i'm just saying i doubt that that's their main motivation for doing it.
 
Nono you're definitely right about that. Who knows what they think? I don't think I would want to know really. Maybe for a good laugh (religion can be such a silly thing sometimes really) then...
 
Kibweteere originally had predicted the world would end December 31, 1999, but later changed the date to December 31, 2000, according to the Monitor.
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What the hell?(this is from that Uganda murder/suicide thing). This just goes to prove delays are not just for games anymore :-/

Sorry folks, doomsday is delayed for a whole year while we get things situated for a PROPER release!
 
"Hey Ahmed wad you wanna doo dis weekend?"

"Let's chop some poor bastard's head off, Mohamed!"

"Allah O Ackbar!"
 
CB | Para said:
"Hey Ahmed wad you wanna doo dis weekend?"

"Let's chop some poor bastard's head off, Mohamed!"

"Allah O Ackbar!"
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Ackbar was an Indian guy that made his own religion right?
 
"Perhaps not, but I wouldn't be too surprised if groups like the CIA are considering performing some secret work to make something like that happen. At least they are probably planning to do something that will cause some violent Muslim groups to go against each other. Not that I would really mind if they were to do it."

I'm afraid you give the CIA way to much credit for their abilities. My personal experience with...ummmm...some members of the American intelligence community left much to be desired. They're getting better but they have a looooongggg way to go.
 
SFLUFAN said:
"Perhaps not, but I wouldn't be too surprised if groups like the CIA are considering performing some secret work to make something like that happen. At least they are probably planning to do something that will cause some violent Muslim groups to go against each other. Not that I would really mind if they were to do it."

I'm afraid you give the CIA way to much credit for their abilities. My personal experience with...ummmm...some members of the American intelligence community left much to be desired. They're getting better but they have a looooongggg way to go.
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Em, I highly doubt you know of any of the things the CIA has done. They are possibly the best inteligence agency in the world.
 
I am quite aware of the Agency's history and have liased with CIA field officers in Kosovo during the time I was there in 1999-2000 during my stint in the United States Army; this is nothing secretive about this information. It's pretty standard for these low intensity conflicts or peace keeping operations.

The Agency is excellent at intelligence gathering and analysis but is lacking in extensive field operations expertise. This is the result of the gutting of the Directorate of Operations in the 1970s and early 1980s. The DO is slowly being rebuilt but it will take between 5 to 10 years for it to be truly effective.

In terms of field operations, I would say that Israel's Mossad and the British Secret Intelligence Service (commonly known as MI6) rank higher than the CIA.
 
^^ That's true. After the 9/11 attacks they realized they had no arabic-speaking agents. Doh!
 
:( I just saw the pic of the guy's parents. I feel very bad for them. ;( ;( ;( I want all terrorists to burn in hell! :flame: :flame: :flame: :flame: :flame:
 
SFLUFAN said:
"Perhaps not, but I wouldn't be too surprised if groups like the CIA are considering performing some secret work to make something like that happen. At least they are probably planning to do something that will cause some violent Muslim groups to go against each other. Not that I would really mind if they were to do it."

I'm afraid you give the CIA way to much credit for their abilities. My personal experience with...ummmm...some members of the American intelligence community left much to be desired. They're getting better but they have a looooongggg way to go.
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Does it have to be the CIA? Some parts of the US government must be thinking about doing what I said. I just said the CIA since its the one in the most obvious position do do what I was suggesting.
 
it's really to the point where I stop even reading threads like this.. like wow another beheading. I dont want to get sad EVERY time I see somthing like this. I just eventually cant/wont take it and ignore this type of discussion / thread.
 
"Does it have to be the CIA? Some parts of the US government must be thinking about doing what I said. I just said the CIA since its the one in the most obvious position do do what I was suggesting."

It would have to be the Agency. The other arms of the US government simply lack the type operational expertise needed for this sort of thing. For example:

National Security Agency (NSA) - responsible for ELINT/SIGNIT gathering; no known operational functions (Sam Fischer notwithstanding)

Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) - intelligence analysis related to foreign military activities; no known operational functions.
 
Maybe there is an agency that deals in all sorts of stuff we simply don't know about...

*XFiles music plays

Seriously though, there must be lots of stuff that we (and i include you in this) don't know about.
 
Have you ever seen the movie "the bourne identity"? Obviously its fictional but the agency depicted in that is the kind of secret agency I can't understand the US not having. It just strikes me as odd why they wouldn't have an agency that is equipped for doing the kind of work I am talking about. I mean if the CIA can't properly spy on anything unless its inside the US then I have to say that something is definitaly wrong and the US will be somewhat helpless when it comes to dealing with any future problems involving secret groups if they are outside of the US.

EDIT: Ya I agree with you Farrow, after all it doesn't have to be known to anyone for it to exist, I mean it would defeat the purpose of its existance if we all knew about it right?
 
Actually the CIA is barred by Federal law from conducting any sort of operations (intelligence gathering or otherwise) within the United States. Upon joining the Agency, you sign a specific document that states that you will not conduct such activities within the United States under penalty of imprisonment.

The responsibility for domestic intelligence is handled primarily by FBI with additional support from the Secret Service, ATF, DEA, etc.
 
SFLUFAN said:
Actually the CIA is barred by Federal law from conducting any sort of operations (intelligence gathering or otherwise) within the United States. Upon joining the Agency, you sign a specific document that states that you will not conduct such activities within the United States under penalty of imprisonment.

The responsibility for domestic intelligence is handled primarily by FBI with additional support from the Secret Service, ATF, DEA, etc.
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So if the CIA can't do anything inside the US, and it is basically incapable of handling anything to do with Islamic extremists at the moment then what good is it in the current conflict?

I have always liked the idea of secret services, spies, and whatnot but I have never really looked into the CIA or FBI all that much so I don't really know much about how they work.
 
Its function in the current conflict is quite significant and important from the perspective of intelligence gathering and analysis. If I were to draw comparision between our intelligence services and yours in Canada, the FBI is the equivalent of your RCMP and the CIA is the equivalent of your CSIS.

In no way am I attempting to make the Agency seem impotent, that's far from the case - I just want to clear up some misconceptions regarding its role and capabilities.

The Agency does operate some VERY highly effective "black" ops teams - think like Splinter Cell's Sam Fischer - who operate on the ground in hostile environments for weeks on end with little or no support. They do recon, gather intelligence, make contact with friendly locals, and engage in sabotage/assassination - they were VERY effective during the initial phases of the Afghanistan campaign in assisting the Northern Alliance forces. The CIA also operates those Predator UAV (unmanned aerial vehicles) that provide real-time image data on targets, some of the Predators are equipped with Hellfire missiles to engage targets.

The main drawback of the Directorate of Operations involves the gutting of it from the 1970s when the Agency was made no longer engage in "black" operations - that capability is being rebuilt but it will take a long, long time.

If anything, the CIA SHOULD be the group taking the leading role in the war on terror, not the military as it should be a war largely fought in the shadows.

I will say this as well - the people who work for the Agency are not a bunch of secretive, war-mongers - far from it. They are just like you and me - they are very quiet, intelligent professionals who take pride in their work and genuinely want to make the world a safer place.
 
SFLUFAN said:
Its function in the current conflict is quite significant and important from the perspective of intelligence gathering and analysis.

In no way am I attempting to make the Agency seem impotent, that's far from the case - I just want to clear up some misconceptions regarding its role and capabilities.

The Agency does operate some VERY highly effective "black" ops teams - think like Splinter Cell's Sam Fischer - who operate on the ground in hostile environments for weeks on end with little or no support. They do recon, gather intelligence, make contact with friendly locals, and engage in sabotage/assassination - they were VERY effective during the initial phases of the Afghanistan campaign in assisting the Northern Alliance forces. The CIA also operates those Predator UAV (unmanned aerial vehicles) that provide real-time image data on targets, some of the Predators are equipped with Hellfire missiles to engage targets.

The main drawback of the Directorate of Operations involves the gutting of it from the 1970s when the Agency was made no longer engage in "black" operations - that capability is being rebuilt but it will take a long, long time.

If anything, the CIA SHOULD be the group taking the leading role in the war on terror, not the military as it should be a war largely fought in the shadows.

I will say this as well - the people who work for the Agency are not a bunch of secretive, war-mongers - far from it. They are just like you and me - they are very quiet, intelligent professionals who take pride in their work and genuinely want to make the world a safer place.
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That clears up alot of things for me, thanks. I also completely agree that the CIA should be the ones taking the lead role in the war on terror, I have felt that way for a long time.
 
Well...with some screwups from time to time :)

I won't try to condone those actions nor will I condemn them, there is a time and place for such things and a time and place for others.

I know that I sound like I'm rationalizing but that's the way it is ;)
 
SFLUFAN said:
Well...with some screwups from time to time :)

I won't try to condone those actions nor will I condemn them, there is a time and place for such things and a time and place for others.

I know that I sound like I'm rationalizing but that's the way it is ;)
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tell that to the families of the victems of 9/11:

"1979 Afghanistan — The Soviets invade Afghanistan. The CIA immediately begins supplying arms to any faction willing to fight the occupying Soviets. Such indiscriminate arming means that when the Soviets leave Afghanistan, civil war will erupt. Also, fanatical Muslim extremists now possess state-of-the-art weaponry. One of these is Sheik Abdel Rahman, who will become involved in the World Trade Center bombing in New York."
 
You are absolutely correct...that's an example of "blowback" or "unintended consequences". No one could have predicted at the time that it would have happened that way but hindsight is always 20/20
 
Please Stop Acting Like A Bunch Of Apes

This really makes me feel sad and at the same time, very angry. The problem with religions is world wide and it has been a problem even here in Finland with the muslims. It seems like religion is too powerful and important to man and yet they say there are no gods :rolling: So in what do they believe, in religion? It doesn't make too much sense. So I ask for everyone in the world, please stop making war, stay in your own country and focus on solving the problems of your country instead killing innocent people.
 
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