(OLD NEWS) Pentium 4 Extreme Edition officially announced

[spitcodfry]

Pentium 4 Extreme Edition officially announced (involves Half-Life 2)

http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=11584

Go...read...salivate.

The part about Half-Life 2 and Doom III was what caught my eye the most. Good to hear those titles will be taking full advantage of this new chipset's capabilities. Certainly a good Christmas present to ask for.

PCI Express+hyperthreading=gaming heaven

 

[Javert]

pardon my stupidity. What exactly is PCI express? Only heard surface material about it.

 

[$niper]

Yawn.

 

[spitcodfry]

Originally posted by Javert
pardon my stupidity. What exactly is PCI express? Only heard surface material about it.

I heard it briefly mentioned on the forums...can't say I know too much about it either...it's supposedly going to replace the AGP configuration, which is what current graphics cards take advantage of. Could someone who knows about this more please lend us your sagely knowledge?

 

[$niper]

www.google.com

 

[spitcodfry]

Originally posted by $niper
www.google.com

Wow, you're an asshole. And what did mommy get you for your birthday? A hooker with a heart of gold? Either contribute or get lost jackass.

 

[Yatta]

cool

 

[Woggy]

Thats so gonna be...
EXTREME! ly expensive

 

[Black-Falcon]

PCI Express is somthing that intel developed that is supposed to revolutionize video cards. It is supposed to be faster than AGP 8x and it will only be the size of a LAPTOP upgrade card (about 1 in. x 3 in.)

 

[TechnoHippyChic]

I believe it encompasses external stuff too... read something not too long ago about cards to replace PCMCIA's..

Anyway, it's about time they made nice sized cache available outside server-type Xeon's. I'm locked into Canterwood for awhile...

 

[spitcodfry]

Well, if I can land me one of these puppys in my stocking this holiday season I'll be a happy camper to say the least. A bit of an upgrade from my Athlon XP 1700+.

 

[TechnoHippyChic]

I've heard horror stories of AMD's baking themselves if the HSF went out... or is that better now? I've always tried to stick to Intel, myself..

 

[Apos]

The current 3.2 is still ridiculously expensive anyway. An extra 200$ for 200Mhz? It's the bigger cache size that probably really rocks: but almost certianly the whole reason for this chip is to compete with overclocking (which makes people buy cheaper chips, knowing that they can get the same performance). The cache will be an added feature that no amount of overclocking can duplicate. And it's not really much work for Intel to add (nor, probably, much cost). And they'll be able to charge and arm and a leg for it.

 

[Apos]

I really want to see Intel vs. AMD benchmarks in HL2.

 

[wormstrangler]

PCI express won't boost perfomance much at all. It's like going from AGP 4x to AGP 8x. Did you notice any difference? Nope, thought not.

This new chip with 2mb of cache though looks quite nice, once you get pass the no doubt sky high price .

 

[spitcodfry]

Originally posted by Apos
The current 3.2 is still ridiculously expensive anyway. An extra 200$ for 200Mhz? It's the bigger cache size that probably really rocks: but almost certianly the whole reason for this chip is to compete with overclocking (which makes people buy cheaper chips, knowing that they can get the same performance). The cache will be an added feature that no amount of overclocking can duplicate. And it's not really much work for Intel to add (nor, probably, much cost). And they'll be able to charge and arm and a leg for it.

Good thing I won't be payin' for it. Yep, that is the life of a bum, ladies and gentlemen. Mooch off your parents well into your teenage years and keep on leachin till they kick you out.

 

[wormstrangler]

Originally posted by Apos
I really want to see Intel vs. AMD benchmarks in HL2.

So long as it's with the AMD64's . And even better if 64bit was being used.

 

[TechnoHippyChic]

Little hint from an uhm, "elder"

Start saving now!

 

[TrueWeltall]

Reminds me of the Althon 64, everyone going nuts over 64bit like HT. Althon 64 will probably cost as much as this thing. Hell an opteron right now is 2k @ newegg.

 

[Adam]

"PCI Express+hyperthreading=gaming heaven"

Half-Life 2 does not even utilize hyper threading. They said the extra development time required to implement that is not worth the very small gain you get in performance. Well they said something like that.

 

[droper]

honestly it can only get faster so whats the big news new chips coming out better performance always been. though PCI express is going to kick AGPs ass

 

[Adam]

Originally posted by droper
honestly it can only get faster so whats the big news new chips coming out better performance always been. though PCI express is going to kick AGPs ass

In performance maybe, but doubtful in price.

 

[FISKER_Q]

The PCI Express is already only a small amount faster than the current AGP 8x(500MB/s)

And since you would normally have more than one PCI Express slot. It might be possible to bring back the old Voodoo system where you bought 2 graphic cards and linked them

Also PCI Express is a faster ratio than AGP, it's PCI compatible, and it's also smaller if i'm not mistaken. Although the cards will probably still be the same size, unless they use even newer technology. And that makes it expensive.

PCI Express is basicly a standard where computer performance hurts. The cpu speeds now is more than enough, what we need better is the transferrates throughout the system. And the ratio of it.

 

[TechnoHippyChic]

SLR was it? Woohoo! I had a Voodoo 2, but never did that...

 

[=)PoLo(=]

Originally posted by Adam
"PCI Express+hyperthreading=gaming heaven"

Half-Life 2 does not even utilize hyper threading. They said the extra development time required to implement that is not worth the very small gain you get in performance. Well they said something like that.

Yup, and I would even advise to turn HT off. It would increase your performance although it's just 3% á 5%

 

[Apos]

They didn't say they wouldn't do dual processor (multithreaded) support, but just that it wasn't as big a priority as other things.

 

[TechnoHippyChic]

I did a quick search on the Inquirer, and didn't find it, but I coulda swore I read something from them about HL2 and D3 using HT. Maybe I was hallucinating...

 

[Feath]

Originally posted by Adam
"PCI Express+hyperthreading=gaming heaven"

Half-Life 2 does not even utilize hyper threading. They said the extra development time required to implement that is not worth the very small gain you get in performance. Well they said something like that.

And at some points there was some slowdown. It's too much work for something that may potentially help.

 

[=)PoLo(=]

Originally posted by TechnoHippyChic
I did a quick search on the Inquirer, and didn't find it, but I coulda swore I read something from them about HL2 and D3 using HT. Maybe I was hallucinating...

It's a bit of a twilight zone. One source says it will the other says it won't and another maybe.

Still I'm not expecting much of a performance gain if these games support HT. We'll see

 

[Arn]

Both Half-Life2 and Doom 3 will implement Hyperthreading enhancements to exploit the technology.

that was said in the inquirer article that was posted.
and pci express will be the new pci and since it is so fast, it will likely make agp slot obsolete.

 

[Curator]

First of all. The 2 meg cache in that P4 Extreme edition is level 3 cache, not level 2. There is a difference. This chip is a waste of money because at most it can only increase performance by 20%, and programs have to be coded to use it. Typically you'll probably see more along the lines of a 10% increase.

As for PCI Express, here's the basic jist. The original PCI operates at 33 mhz and 133 MBps. AGP 8X runs at 66 mhz x 8 which equates to 2133 MBps or 2 GBps. PCI Express will debut at X16 for graphics which offers 133 mhz or 250 MBps per line for a total of 4200 MBps or 4 GBps. You can find out more here.

 

[anticonscience]

it has already been stated that HL2 will not support intel's hyperthreading.

(i didnt read the entire thread so i dont know if someone said this before)

 

[x84D80Yx]

Originally posted by anticonscience
it has already been stated that HL2 will not support intel's hyperthreading.

(i didnt read the entire thread so i dont know if someone said this before)

its already been stated in this thread :\

 

[Majestic XII]

Originally posted by spitcodfry
Wow, you're an asshole. And what did mommy get you for your birthday? A hooker with a heart of gold? Either contribute or get lost jackass.

You need to chill down a bit.

I reported this and we´ll see how the mods in this forum will do with you.

 

[$niper]

Originally posted by spitcodfry
Wow, you're an asshole. And what did mommy get you for your birthday? A hooker with a heart of gold? Either contribute or get lost jackass.

Haha, no, you're the asshole. I contributed by supplying a link to www.google.com. Such hostility!

 

[Tek]

uhm hl2 doesnt take advantage of hyperthreading, at least thats what i read on a benchmark review *shrug*

 

[Gorgon]

today Intel will show the performance boost over the current CPUs. If the EE will boost the performance of HL2 and other games from 60fps to over 100fps, I will make sure this is my future upgrade in the next months.

 

[$niper]

I'm sure the next Pentium 4 product is just built around Hype. It's probably going to give games a 5-10 FPS improvement or something, and that's about it. It's also going to cost a fortune, and about 2% of the gaming population will probably buy it.

 

[Vash]

I was under the impression that PCIExpress was going to be a solution for graphics and a replacement for the PCI bus. PCI is something like a decade old and that's just too old, in my opinion. PCIExpress will be backwards compatable and this way we'll have one standard for add-in cards, be they graphics or otherwise. And besides... 66Mhz ain't that fast no more. We can do better.

/me likes unified standards

 

[Incitatus]

hyperthreading hardly does anything for gaming. The time it takes per clock cycle to devide the threads almost negates any speed increases and it halves your memory bandwidth. Hyperthreading just like dual CPU's is mainly for CPU intensive tasks with clearly defined tasks per CPU/thread like rendering buckets.