(OLD NEWS) Pentium 4 Extreme Edition officially announced

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Originally posted by Curator
First of all. The 2 meg cache in that P4 Extreme edition is level 3 cache, not level 2. There is a difference. This chip is a waste of money because at most it can only increase performance by 20%, and programs have to be coded to use it. Typically you'll probably see more along the lines of a 10% increase.

As for PCI Express, here's the basic jist. The original PCI operates at 33 mhz and 133 MBps. AGP 8X runs at 66 mhz x 8 which equates to 2133 MBps or 2 GBps. PCI Express will debut at X16 for graphics which offers 133 mhz or 250 MBps per line for a total of 4200 MBps or 4 GBps. You can find out more here.
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Doesn't motherboards come with inbuilt L3 cache for the cpu as well?
 
Originally posted by $niper
Haha, no, you're the asshole. I contributed by supplying a link to www.google.com. Such hostility!
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That particular word is perhaps taking things a bit too far, but it was definitely snooty. If someone asks a question the last thing they really need to know is "Google it" or "go look it up in a dictionary". You might as well not answer.

Tropico, AGP as it is now was meant to bypass the slow PCI bus. As such it works fine. PCI Express is a new revision of the ageing PCI specs. A PCI Express gfx card would probably not run Half-Life 2 faster.

Where PCI Express bus would rock would be in data heavy processes such as editing video. That pulls a heavy load on the PCI bus currently. But gaming will not get any particular advantage of it unless we need to move "FMV video" sized data around. I think that isnt really happening with the current generation. Eventually PCI Express will replace AGP. IT would be interesting to know if we will see "AGP+PCI Express" boards for starters.
 
Originally posted by Tropico
i´m very lost
will this pci express substitute AGP?
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Yes it will replace AGP as the graphics card slot of choice.
 
well im glad gamers are geeting that important for the software (windows) and hardware (intel) industry :)
 
You don't have to be lost.
All this new fancy hardware will appear in stores just before Christmas.
The game review sites will get it first (like they always do), and we'll see articles with the fastest system to play Hl2 on. Then you can order the parts from online stores. They'll probably be out of stock, so I'm predicting most will get their parts in January of next year.

I don't care if this chip costs more, I'm building the fastest machine I can on my own, and I bet this is the chip game review sites use.
 
If PCI Express is from Intel, is AMD f*cked then? Because PCIX wil replace all AGP cards.
And I don't know if Intel will sell the technology to the motherboard manufacturers for AMD boards.
 
Originally posted by PvtRyan
If PCI Express is from Intel, is AMD f*cked then? Because PCIX wil replace all AGP cards.
And I don't know if Intel will sell the technology to the motherboard manufacturers for AMD boards.
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PCI-X is used in servers, it is inferior to what PCI-Express is capable of.
AMD and Intel will use PCI-Express, PCI-Express x 1 (I think) will replace PCI slots, and PCI-Express x 16 (16 times the bandwidth of x 1, or about 4GB/s in both directions) will replace AGP.
 
you could stack a couple of amd 64 chips on to a mobo for the same price...700 to 1000? jeez.
 
Originally posted by The Grim Reaper
"We are hearing that the processor will be priced around $740 in 1,000 unit quantities"

http://www.anandtech.com/IT/showdoc.html?i=1870

IMHO it ain't worth it, whoever wants to upgrade is better off waiting for Presscot.
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IF the performance is boosted over 40%, then its worth buying it with that price.

2.8c produce 60fps with everything is on (HL2)
if 3.2EE produce >=100fps then its worth the price,

tomorrow or later today Intel will show charts of HL2 using EE CPU. :cool:
 
pci-express

I'am relatively sure that pci-express speeds up the entire pci-bus or at least takes a heavy load off it. Currently multiple high speed hard drives commbined with a large amount of expansion cards can limit the speed of the pci bus. Ide hard drives are now reaching greater speeds which suggest that pci-express can better handle all these new things.
 
Originally posted by Immacolata
That particular word is perhaps taking things a bit too far, but it was definitely snooty. If someone asks a question the last thing they really need to know is "Google it" or "go look it up in a dictionary". You might as well not answer.

Tropico, AGP as it is now was meant to bypass the slow PCI bus. As such it works fine. PCI Express is a new revision of the ageing PCI specs. A PCI Express gfx card would probably not run Half-Life 2 faster.

Where PCI Express bus would rock would be in data heavy processes such as editing video. That pulls a heavy load on the PCI bus currently. But gaming will not get any particular advantage of it unless we need to move "FMV video" sized data around. I think that isnt really happening with the current generation. Eventually PCI Express will replace AGP. IT would be interesting to know if we will see "AGP+PCI Express" boards for starters.
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http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=PCI+express&btnG=Google+Search

Better? :sleep:
 
Originally posted by supangr
PCI-X is used in servers, it is inferior to what PCI-Express is capable of.
AMD and Intel will use PCI-Express, PCI-Express x 1 (I think) will replace PCI slots, and PCI-Express x 16 (16 times the bandwidth of x 1, or about 4GB/s in both directions) will replace AGP.
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So a bandwitdh of 256MB/s in both directions? Me smells mean raid system :D
 
The good stuff with this "gamer chip" that costs 200$ more.. is that the prices (probably, like it has always) drop significant and the impossible dream for some people to buy a new computer with a good Mobo and CPU will now be possible to buy =)
 
If PCI Express is from Intel, is AMD f*cked then? Because PCIX wil replace all AGP cards.
And I don't know if Intel will sell the technology to the motherboard manufacturers for AMD boards.
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PCI Express is an open standard. Anyone (including AMD) can use it in their chipsets.

I'am relatively sure that pci-express speeds up the entire pci-bus or at least takes a heavy load off it. Currently multiple high speed hard drives commbined with a large amount of expansion cards can limit the speed of the pci bus. Ide hard drives are now reaching greater speeds which suggest that pci-express can better handle all these new things.
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Its true the IDE channels are attached to the PCI bus, but don't forget that Serial ATA has its own exclusive bus and hense doesn't eat bandwidth from the PCI bus. I know not everyone uses Serial ATA, but hard drive companies are going to start really pushing for it here in 12-18 months if not sooner.


Is the PCI-Express 64bit or is that prescott?
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Im not sure if PCI Express is a 64bit interface, but Prescott is not supposed to be a 64bit CPU. There is talk of Intel including yamhill technology in the prescott, but they deny it. You never know though. Lou Burns of Intel denied the exsistance of the Pentium 4 Extreme Edition to the Inquirer justminutes before walking on stage and annoucing the chip. Afterall, high resolution photos of the prescott core do show that there may in fact be a 64bit extension to the chip.

For those of you who don't know, Yamhill is the code name for the 64bit extension component to a 32bit CPU. Much like AMD's Opteron and Athlon64 are both 32/64bit chips.
 
PCIE is not the same as PCIX. PCI-X is Apple's answer to Intel's AGP 8X. Both run at about the same speeds. PCIE will debut at twice the speed of the AGP 8X. And can be expanded all the way up to 10 GB/s or 5 times faster than agp 8X. No it is not 64 bit and yes it will replace agp entirely. Initial motherboards might have both agp and pcie but that's to be seen. Most will probably just do one or the other, and eventually agp will be fazed out.

Initial Prescotts will be 32 bit, though future versions might change. Intel is tight liped about that. They will go all the way up to 5 Ghz as well.

The speeds of video cards are limited to the ports they plug into. So yes, PCIE will pave the way for faster graphics cards that can utilize all 4 GB/s bandwidth and up. Which will equate to more complex games. No PCIE will not only be used for video and graphics editing and production.
 
I saw an artical about pci express in tomshardware.com a few weeks ago.

agp 8x is 2.1Gb/s

pci express will come out at 4 GB/s at first and will hit speeds of 8 Gb/s before something better will come out.

so its like agp 16x
 
Originally posted by $niper
Yawn.
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I cant believe you ... I really thought that the sven co-op guys were nice cool dudes but I guess I was wrong. You're just an ass thinking you're cool.
 
It's all Marketing hype, very typical of Intel®. Remeber MMX? Even HT in "new" P4 seems fishy to me. (OK, if you are a PhotoShop user).
 
Originally posted by Znipper
I cant believe you ... I really thought that the sven co-op guys were nice cool dudes but I guess I was wrong. You're just an ass thinking you're cool.
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I said "Yawn." in regards to the Pentium 4 "EXTREME EXTRA SEXY COOL ULTRA HYPER POWERFUL" model. It wasn't directed at spitcodfry.


This sums up what I was thinking when I posted "Yawn.":

Originally posted by Cannibal Corpse
It's all Marketing hype, very typical of Intel®. Remeber MMX? Even HT in "new" P4 seems fishy to me. (OK, if you are a PhotoShop user).
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To me, the "Pentium 4 Extreme Edition" seems like a cheap marketing tactic by Intel. I don't think it'd be a wise investment for gamers.

The specs look good, but in the long run the processor wont be that beneficial for you to notice anything. It'll just be a novelty processor or such, for gamers that have deep pockets.
 
Hmmm...

I wonder what pin package it has? Will it work in my 875?

Hmmm.....
 
Yes, the P4EE is a socket 705(?) Xeon MP repackaged to the Socket 478 P4 package. It is also supported by the 875 chipset. Check out the Asus PC-DL motherboard. Its an 875 chipset motherboard that supports 2 533MHz FSB Xeons upto 3.06GHz.

As for the P4EE and its validity as a gaming cpu, seeing has how the Athlon 64 3400+ has all but thrashed it, I'd say the Athlon 64 is the best processor on the market. The only thing it could beat the P4EE in was content creation, but thats no suprise considering the P4 cators to that market as well as the EE extremely large amount of cache.
 
This thread hasn't been touched in 4 months, why did you kick it up? The person who asked the question is more than likely never to see your answer.
 
ImportLighting, don't drag up old threads like this

*locked and moved to hardware to allow for better searching, HL2 my ass, hardware posts outweight HL2 posts in this thread so its moving*
 
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