Oliver Stone's 9/11 Movie

[Shodan]

The movie depicting the events of the September the 11th terrorist attack on the World Trade Center will be heavily censored, New York officials are not going to allow Stone to dress the streets with dirt and debris because of fears that the images would outrage citizens who were affected by the disaster.

I don't think a movie about 9/11 is going to tell the story properly without the proper effects and visuals, those who don't want to see this kind of thing shouldn't even think about watching the movie.
It should be carefully made, not censored, so it will give some idea of what actually happened to those who see it, it should not be a poorly made shocker that would offend so many people.

What do you guys think, censor it so it isn't offensive, or show what actually happened?

Edits: of course, you may hate the idea and not want the movie at all.

 

[Icarusintel]

i think the whole idea is stupid and that this movie shouldn't be made at all, 9/11 didn;t happen long enough ago that we can see it in movie theaters... besides, my guess is that it will be poorly made and ultimately disrespectful

 

[Pesmerga]

There's not much you can make a film about. Sounds like another Passion of the Christ to me.

 

[CptStern]

gah!! you put it here! far more interest had you put it in the politics forum ..but then again ..probably reach a wider audience here ..so good choice :thumbs:

I agree with you ..there should be no censorship but I also agree that americans arent ready for a movie on 9/11 ...not that I have much confidence that hollywood would present the whole truth. It's just such a tiouchy subject and Stone is bound to step on someone's toes ..but someone needs to do a movie that doesnt glorify war like that stupid movie "Lords of War" with nick cage ...arms dealing indirectly led to 9/11

so in other words I'm flip flopping


..I just dont think 9/11 is the right subject matter ...too many people have an emotional attachment to that day. Too many people have a stake in this, you couldnt possibly appease them all

 

[Gunner]

My only beef with this movie is that Oliver Stone picked Nicolas Cage to play the leading role... Nicolas Cage omgwtf? seriously though, he's awful. I can already see him doing his tired puppy dog eyes routine.

 

[CptStern]

cage was only good when he had Lynch directing him ..or possibly the cohen brothers

 

[StardogChampion]

Cage was good in The Rock too - "I'll take pleasure in guttin' you, boy... I'll take pleasure in guttin' you... boy..." Well, ok, maybe just on that line.

Fair enough don't let him dress NY with fake debris, but let them put debris on the streets in the movie with CGI or in a different location.

 

[DeusExMachina]

My only beef with this movie is that Oliver Stone picked Nicolas Cage to play the leading role... Nicolas Cage omgwtf? seriously though, he's awful. I can already see him doing his tired puppy dog eyes routine.

Snake Eyes, Raising Arizona, Lord of War, Wild at Heart?

 

[DarkStar]

so it will give some idea of what actually happened to those who see it

Give an idea of what actually happened?

9/11 is probably THE most well documented single day in the history of the world. There is a plethora of information available from all sources of media, (print TV radio). Why not go back to the original TV coverage or numerous articles and books to get an idea of "what actually happened." Or read the excellent report of the 9/11 commision now out in paperback.

Unless the movie offers some kind of alternative to the offical version of events, it just seems kinda pointless.

 

[chu]

Oliver Stone is a f***ing idiot and a horrible director. I wouldn't watch this movie even if it was at no charge.

 

[Absinthe]

Oliver Stone is a f***ing idiot and a horrible director. I wouldn't watch this movie even if it was at no charge.

You're missing out then.

Personally, I'm not going to bother myself with the stupid "Oh, America isn't ready for a 9/11 movie!" mindset. If you don't want to see it, then don't ****ing see it. If you don't think you're ready to catch it on film, then keep in mind that Mr. Stone isn't forcing you at gunpoint into the theatre and making you bawl your eyes out.

If we can get a mini-drama on TV about the final moments of the passengers of one of the flights on 9/11, then I don't see the issue with a movie. Screw Oliver Stone for a second. I don't find anything wrong with this concept at all. As for Oliver Stone's ability to direct such a film, I'm okay with it. Yes, he's had his ups and downs in filmmaking. I think everybody can agree that subtlety is not one of his stronger points. Now can anybody tell me what was so ****ing subtle about 9/11? Nothing. If Stone intends to bring it out in all its raw intensity, then I'm for it.

This all leads me to the final point. No, it should not be censored. **** the censors and their stupid asses if they want to water down one of the biggest tragedies to ever happen on US soil. Oh no, it might prompt too much of an emotional reaction? It might offend somebody? It's 9/11 you stupid shits. This isn't going to be the feel-good sensation of the year.
All I see censorship achieving is a self-fulfilling prophecy. People won't have faith in it, it will be censored, the end product will severely damaged, and people will walk out wagging their fingers saying "I told you so", oblivious of the fact that they contributed to the failure.

 

[Shodan]

Give an idea of what actually happened?

9/11 is probably THE most well documented single day in the history of the world. There is a plethora of information available from all sources of media, (print TV radio). Why not go back to the original TV coverage or numerous articles and books to get an idea of "what actually happened." Or read the excellent report of the 9/11 commision now out in paperback.

Unless the movie offers some kind of alternative to the offical version of events, it just seems kinda pointless.

You should know how news channels get it all wrong, I'm not saying hollywood is any better, my point was, is that I hope that they do it nicely, not some kind of 'This summer, Nicolas Cage is going to kick some ass' type crap.

 

[Gunner]

Snake Eyes, Raising Arizona, Lord of War, Wild at Heart?

Nope nope and nope. Besides Lord of War isn't out yet is it? If there's one movie you should have mentioned it should have been 8mm

 

[DeusExMachina]

Oh shit, I did forget 8mm. I love that movie. How can you not like Raising Arizona or Wild at Heart?

And yes, Lord of War is out now and its a great film.

 

[MrMan]

You missed out two of his best films, Leaving Las Vegas and Adaptation

 

[DeusExMachina]

ADAPTATION. Yes. Another good Cage movie. Some of you underestimate him.

 

[smwScott]

but someone needs to do a movie that doesnt glorify war like that stupid movie "Lords of War" with nick cage ...arms dealing indirectly led to 9/11

You haven't seen the movie have you? The movie has a heavy anti-war sentiment and the entire thing shows how just how terrible arms dealing is, as well as how all the major governments are responsible. Just because it doesn't hit you in the head with a sledge hammer and scream WAR IS BAD doesn't mean it glorifies war. Glorify it? Holy shit you completely mis-interpreted the movie.

But back on topic, it's in fairly bad taste to make this movie. It screams exploitation and Oliver Stone certainly isn't the right director to do it, we'll get another bullshit conspiracy theory laden heavily fictional film. Not that his movies aren't good, but he usually doesn't let facts get in the way of his story. If this movie was made it would have to be extremely realistic and not take any political leaps of faith.

 

[Absinthe]

Let's not second-guess what Oliver Stone might make. I'm guessing he understands quite well the weight of the material.

Also, it was my understanding that this isn't going to be a film that takes a broad view of the situation. It's just going to be the event. Not all the political BS that surrounds it.

 

[Mechagodzilla]

It's just yet another 9/11 brand product that's been churned out in order to capitalize on the tragedy.

I won't be watching this, and I don't expect that many others will, except those who do so purely out of a patriotic obligation that Stone is likely banking on.

Either it'll be an 'inspirational' story that cheapens the horror of it all, or it'll be a weepy drama that exploits real and recent events for audience tears. Or, most likely, both those elements in a one-two supercombo of bad taste.
What else could it be? An animated feature?

 

[ScORCHo]

Oliver Stone! No Way! This movie should be made by only American who is worthy of such a story. This American has proven himself already he is capable to make a "Non-Americans Attack America.....what did we ever do to them!" film. The talent of this American to tell a powerful story through film and have it be "real" and "true" is truly astounding in its execution. I am of course talking about the legend that is Micheal Bay.

hahah aww im only kidding Mr Oliver Stone sir ....your just as good as this Bay character. I mean, your patriotism levels are out of control as well, maybe your level of cheese delivery is not up to his level, but this is a perfect opportunity to work on that.
By the way, just a suggestion, you dont have to take it.......well i dont know if he is still acting, or even alive.....but you know the hairy guy who played Clyde in the Clint Eastwood classics "Any Which Way You Can" and "Any Which Way But Loose"?...he would be GREAT to play George W. Bush in your film.

 

[Absinthe]

I don't think he has any intention of putting Bush in his film.

Why is everybody so hung up on the idea of a conspiracy theory movie?

 

[dream431ca]

I'm sorry but someone should not make a film of this. It will cause outrage I'm sure. and frankley, I don't see the point.

 

[Sulkdodds]

Hmm. I am undecided. On the one hand, Platoon did rather a good job of not being tasteless about its subject matter. On the other hand, Alexander was crap.

If he manages to pull it off without it being shit and/or exploitative then yes, I'll watch it. And no, it shouldn't be heavily censored.

 

[Absinthe]

I'm sorry but someone should not make a film of this. It will cause outrage I'm sure. and frankley, I don't see the point.

Then don't watch it. Make your statement by not giving your money.

I'll gladly pay money if it's done right. And I think that anything by Stone is worth at least one viewing.

 

[Icarusintel]

I don't think he has any intention of putting Bush in his film.

Why is everybody so hung up on the idea of a conspiracy theory movie?

I don't care what it is, I see an outcry from the American people about this very soon, simply because it should never have been greenlighted, and whatever hollywood exec did it should lose his job for being a moron, there's no conceivable way this could be done right

 

[Razor]

gah!! you put it here! far more interest had you put it in the politics forum ..but then again ..probably reach a wider audience here ..so good choice :thumbs:

I agree with you ..there should be no censorship but I also agree that americans arent ready for a movie on 9/11 ...not that I have much confidence that hollywood would present the whole truth. It's just such a tiouchy subject and Stone is bound to step on someone's toes ..but someone needs to do a movie that doesnt glorify war like that stupid movie "Lords of War" with nick cage ...arms dealing indirectly led to 9/11

so in other words I'm flip flopping


..I just dont think 9/11 is the right subject matter ...too many people have an emotional attachment to that day. Too many people have a stake in this, you couldnt possibly appease them all

I would have to agree with that, it happened not that long ago and is still fresh in peoples minds today. If a film about 9/11 is ever made, it should be made to be 100% as realistic as possible with no-name but extremely talented actors and the film should be made to remember what happened. It should not end up as a white wash sack of shit like Black Hawk Down but should tell 100% unbiased truth....which is extremely doubtful.

 

[VictimOfScience]

I agree that this is a bad idea. Having watched the whole thing from my (then) office 23 blocks north of the scene, that is the last time I want to witness the horror that I saw that day--my co-woker went down to take pictures and actually saw people jumping from the upper stories--indescribably disturbing stuff.

I think that a movie of those events would be a fine idea, but maybe 20 or 30 years from now. WAY too soon for anyone in America to go through this again, especially the families of the dead.

I predict a huge failure for this one. Stone's out of his mind for attempting this now, imho.

 

[Lt. Drebin]

LOL. I can't see Oliver Stone movies.

All I think about is the SNL skit way back with Phil Hartman as Oliver Stone where he was trying to find the conspiracy behind George H. W. Bush throwing-up at that dinner in Japan. It was Dana Carvey plying Bush too....hilarious. LOL. Then he pulled out the fake vomit that was like 5 feet in diameter. LOL. This is exactly how crazy Stone is.

In all seriousness....probobly too soon to do this movie.