On "frontstabs" and other matters

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From: Robin Walker
To: Me
Subject: RE: TF2 as a Teaching Tool

Hi,

This is the best feedback email we've ever received.

I've cc'd Matt Boone on this, the 'programmer' of the knife code. Now that you've explained what the whole front-stabbing problem is, in single syllable words & detailed diagrams, he has no excuses left!

Robin.

From: Me [mailto:@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 2:39 AM
To: Robin Walker
Subject: TF2 as a Teaching Tool

Hello Mr. Robin Walker,

I am sure many people have already e-mailed you to say how fun they have found Team Fortress 2. However, I hope I am the first to email you about the educational benefits of your game. You see, I am a teacher at a primary school in Sydney, Australia and I like to use unconventional methods to teach.

Now, I know the educational value of Team Fortress 2 may not be clear on the outset, but it is really very simple. Team Fortress teaches teamwork, hand-eye co-ordination and human anatomy. In fact, I have found on occasion that Team Fortress 2 is even more accurate than my books. For example, in the Merriam-Webster dictionary, the area of the human body known as the 'back' is defined as: '1 a (1): the rear part of the human body especially from the neck to the end of the spine.' Now, I assumed that such a source as the Merriam-Webster dictionary would be accurate, so imagine my surprise when I learned of the spy class in your game and discovered that this was incorrect! As we all know, the back is indeed an area that covers almost the entirety of the human body except for a small region on the stomach known as the 'front.' I have sent a strongly worded email to the publishers of this dictionary informing them of their mistake and have included the proper definition '1 a (1): Pretty much everywhere. E.g. if you are shooting someone in the face, they can still backstab you.'

I also included a picture for them to use in the next edition:

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Your description of back has helped me in many ways. For example, my history lessons about the murder of Julius Caesar have become far more historically accurate.

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However, there is one truly inspirational story I would like to share, that of Billy, the youngest in my class. Billy has had a very hard life and has a very low standard of education, but he certainly loves games and movies. I have tried to teach him about life using not only Team Fortress 2 but through famous movies. I think that Team Fortress 2 has helped in my explanation of the film 'Hard Boiled.'

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It has also helped in my interpretation of Billy's favourite movie, 'Back to the Future.'

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SINCE WRITING THE ABOVE, SOMETHING TERRIBLE HAS HAPPENED. I was taking my class on a road trip. I told Billy to get into the back of the school bus. But, instead, he got into the driver's seat because he thought it was the back! Billy accidentally started the school bus and rolled down the hill into a busy highway. Upon impact with oncoming traffic, Billy was thrown from the bus and his entire torso was twisted around approximately 180 degrees. Billy will never be able to watch 'Back to the Future' again. He will be permanently crippled and will need to use a special device to get to school every day. I trusted you, Mr. Walker. I relied on your for my curriculum, and I feel as though you have BETRAYED me in a particularly VICIOUS manner, the name of which escapes me!!!.

If only I had not been backstabbed in the face, Billy would still be able to walk!!!.

Sincerely,
Me

From: Ferdinand Magellan [mailto:@gmail.com]
To: Robin Walker
Subject: A tale of woe and sorrows on the High Seas.

Salutations!

I am known as Ferdinand Magellan, once famous explorer of the circumference of the earth. I am well known for my mighty achievements in the fields of exploration and travel. I have rounded the W. Indies. I discovered a safe passage through the sharp ice that tips the Americas to the south. I fought deadly battles with strange opponents. In my perilous journeys, I became the first man to cross all the meridans of the globe we call Earth.

It was on one such voyage, in 1520, that I discovered an orange crate washed up upon the shore. Sadly, it did not contain oranges, which might've helped to stave off the scurvy. We've lost a good dozen men to the ravages of't already.

But it contained bountiful treasures almost as good! We prized open this ancient chest to discover wondrous magical steam work devices. I have been enthralled by the strange charm of one in particular, a device the oracles herald as 'Team Fortress 2.' Above and beyond sampling its gaming delights, I have become near driven to madness with the achievements it offers me. Why, I may have a strait named after me, but imagine if I got 25 headshots!

However, one achievement in particular has cursed me with its siren song. It is known as 'World Traveler,' and it is a mangy dog. Long ago, I did indeed travel and play a complete round of each of the six original maps. And yet, the achievement eludes me with the progress bar stuck at 6/6! I resent the implication that I am not a world traveler! I have played every stage of Hydro and Dustbowl, even in the same round once! I offer you a map of my voyages thus (my route be lightly marked):

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I have heard strange tales of faroff places; to the East, Well (CTF), to the icy south, Badlands. However, I traveled to all known maps before these were released and have traveled to them myself since! If't be any help to you, my Steam - powered moniker be []. E'en if you cannot aid me, at least know of my plight.

Here is a picture of me enjoying a game of Hydro.

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Thanke,

Magellan
 
I should probably note that Orisit did, in fact, write and create both of those emails. Apart from the Robin Walker one, obviously.
 
Well crafted e-mails. The second especially, as I have the same problem. I attribute the achievement problem to the fact I played on a few custom maps before I had played on all 6 original maps.

The last image of the "death cam screenshot" made me literally LOL.:laugh:
 
Nice emails, anyway Front backstabs happen because the stab is an instant kill if it is 180 degrees to the back, so stabbing on the side makes sense. Front stabs happen if the Animation is too far in and the person spins round, the animation continues and it appears that he has just front stabbed you, when its actually you turning round too late :laugh:

EDIT: And why does the middle man dressed in White on the julius Caesar one look like Male_07...
Take a look...
 
Gotta love getting front stabbed!

But is it not just because of lag? While in your version of events you are facing the Spy, but from the spies perspective you still have your back to him, and the milliseconds it takes you to turn round hasn't reached his end of the game yet.

It's why I can go to a server with a 200 ping and get head shots as a sniper, but the headshot does not register in the game until the enemy is already around the corner.
 
I've never seen someone put so much time and effort into detailing a bug in TF2 before.

Well done, that man!

Although it sounds way too Darkseid for me...
 
Holy Cow..

How did you manage to expand the simple concept of backstabbing into a 1000 word essay. Insanity, Virtual Insanity..
 
I play spy often, and occasionally, i get these so called front stabs. One would expect that these kills occur when I get ready to stab someones back, but they spin around. I still get the backstab because my animation started. however, occasionally, I will be running up a staircase which is wide enough for one person and one person only. This person will be guarding some guns from me when I will run up to his body, my head lining up with his chest and stab him, but this would be no ordinary stab. It would be a backstab! As a defender, this had happened to me as well. I would be gaurding these so called "stairs" when a spy will run "through" me while stabbing and get that illustrious backstab. It is quite frustrating and I believe that as a spy, if you do manage to frontstab someone, it should only take off half of their health. Frontstab meaning, backstab animation on the front.
 
Superb emails, love the serious point made with tact, gets you noticed a lot more! :D
 
Haha, TF2 just got a update where they fix the frontstabs. Good stuff.
 
Team Fortress 2


Fixed Badlands exploits and missing textures

Fixed tv_enable resetting maxplayers value

Fixed a case where a spy stabbing from the front of a player would score a backstab

Fixed stats being reported incorrectly for some players

Dropped weapons now replenish half of your max ammo when picked up

Added exec'ing a cfg\.cfg file on the client when you select a class to play (for real this time!)

Reverted mp_forcecamera changes from previous release and set TF2 default back to 1

Epicness!
 
I credit this entirely to Orisit's emails.
 
...look man, I don't remember who was sitting at my right hand at the Table of Awesome, but they need to move down. It would have been enough for just the humor, but you referenced Caesar, Hard Boiled, Back to the Future, you made an awesome map and referenced Magellan's defeat at the hands of Lapu-Lapu (the statue of which I have seen in Cebu). And to top it all off your e-mails, more than all the bitching and moaning about front stabs on servers, your e-mails got the job done.

You are so on my Table of Awesome it's not even funny. Join me and sit in the Seat of High Renown.
 
Gotta love getting front stabbed!

But is it not just because of lag? While in your version of events you are facing the Spy, but from the spies perspective you still have your back to him, and the milliseconds it takes you to turn round hasn't reached his end of the game yet.

It's why I can go to a server with a 200 ping and get head shots as a sniper, but the headshot does not register in the game until the enemy is already around the corner.

That's not how lagcomp works. The server is able to check backwards in time for events that happened yet took a while to get to and from your client and updates accordingly.
 
...look man, I don't remember who was sitting at my right hand at the Table of Awesome, but they need to move down. It would have been enough for just the humor, but you referenced Caesar, Hard Boiled, Back to the Future, you made an awesome map and referenced Magellan's defeat at the hands of Lapu-Lapu (the statue of which I have seen in Cebu). And to top it all off your e-mails, more than all the bitching and moaning about front stabs on servers, your e-mails got the job done.

You are so on my Table of Awesome it's not even funny. Join me and sit in the Seat of High Renown.

Holy shit!

Do I have to lick his boots as well? D:
 
/me one up Darkseid by saying he knows Orisit in REAL LIFE(tm)
 
Hopefully this is the last we'll hear of 'frontstabs' cause that update fixed it :D
 
Don't count on it ;)

There will be plenty more opportunities for it. The front's a big place, and there's alot of hours of TF2 being played.
 
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