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[Vigilante]

Do idiots like this exist:

The gay gene thing is bullshit. If I chose to sleep with 100 women and my wife finds out do you think I will get far saying its in my genes?? It is a choice to have sex with anyone, or to PREFER one sex over another. Before homosexuality was widely accepted, there were alot fewer homosexuals per capita. I wonder why? Perhaps it is coincidence that a tenfold number of people have the gay gene?

I think the gay crowd has realized that the only way they can reasonably reproduce is to get everyone to accept thier behavior, to get more people on board. I will not accept it.
All the gene argument is is a means to an end. It is nothing but an attempt for the gay community to justify its behavior. If the homosexuals can get the masses to believe this, then they can get what they want, such as marriage, children, etc.

Now before you call me an intolerant homophobe, know this I also have family members dealing with this.

I dont hate these people any more than I hate abortion docors. I just wish they would quit throwing thier behavior in my face.

Lastly, gays do have equal rights, they can marry anyone in a straight relationship they choose. They want special rights.

From an American car forum I often visit. I seriously do a /facepalm to the country whenever I read something like this.

 

[xcellerate]

So it's as easy for a gay man to physical and mentally want to have sex with a woman, as it is for a straight man to physically and mentally want to have sex with another man?

Before homosexuality was widely accepted, there were alot fewer homosexuals per capita. I wonder why?

There's a big difference between there being homosexuals, and people not being afraid to admit their homosexual because it has become more accepted in society.

 

[Vigilante]

So it's as easy for a gay man to physical and mentally want to have sex with a woman, as it is for a straight man to physically and mentally want to have sex with another man?


There's a big difference between there being homosexuals, and people not being afraid to admit their homosexual because it has become more accepted in society.

Yeah, I used that argument to refute him. It's just sickening. I really believe this country would join the 21st century.

They're saying "if you're born with a gay gene then some people must be born with murder and bestiality genes." Epic fail.

 

[Viperidae]

Basically whenever I encounter the bullshit 'choice' argument I just say: OK, prove it, and choose to be gay for 5 minutes. I have friends who would gladly help.

 

[Unfocused]

Before homosexuality was widely accepted, there were alot fewer homosexuals per capita.

Good thing the rations of gays have increased. Now everyone is assigned 25% more gays to use as they see fit!

 

[repiV]

People who think being gay is a choice are so stupid it's not worth having the conversation with them. Hell, even if people did choose to be gay, who cares?!

 

[Kadayi]

Certainly don't agree with the posters sentiments, but the 'gay gene' did turn out to be a bit of a myth in the end.

 

[speedbump]

Do right-handed people have a choice to be left-handed? Everything living is ruled by genetics.

 

[DEATHMASTER]

It has something to do with a part of the brain developing like a female's (or male's if lesb), at least thats what I heard/ makes logical sense.

 

[The Monkey]

Everything living is ruled by genetics.

Bullshit.

 

[Emporius]

The whole 'Jewish' thing is bullshit. During the Second World War, there were a lot fewer Jews per capita in Germany. I wonder why? Perhaps it is coincidence that a tenfold number of people have the Jew?

 

[repiV]

The whole 'Jewish' thing is bullshit. During the Second World War, there were a lot fewer Jews per capita in Germany. I wonder why? Perhaps it is coincidence that a tenfold number of people have the Jew?

 

[Top Secret]

I don't believe the gene argument. I think it is a choice. Not that it should matter.

 

[repiV]

I don't believe the gene argument. I think it is a choice. Not that it should matter.

So tell me about that defining moment in your life when you chose to be straight.

 

[Top Secret]

Probably sometime in gradeschool/puberty. I don't remember being attracted to men OR women before that.

I sincerely doubt that there is a gene that is 1 = gay 0 = straight. It must be much more complex than that.

 

[repiV]

You didn't choose anything though, did you. It just happened. With the best will in the world, we can't decide who or what we're attracted to. If we could, there wouldn't be so many ****ed up relationships.

 

[xcellerate]

Probably sometime in gradeschool. I don't remember being attracted to men OR women before that.

So you could choose to go have sex with a man right now, and be mentally and physically aroused during the hole 2 hour anal penetrating, semen drinking ordeal?

Oh god I'm turning gay just thinking about his hot, hairy, muscly, chest rubbing against my back...mmm...

 

[Raziaar]

I don't believe the gene argument. I think it is a choice. Not that it should matter.

Why would someone like Larry Craig or Ted Haggard be homosexual while all the time speaking out against homosexuality?

Did they simply choose to sin... haggard, the supremely faithful leader of his church, and Craig, the Senator who was so adamantly anti-gay. Or were they just hiding what they were and trying to deny it?

 

[Sulkdodds]

You didn't choose anything though, did you. It just happened. With the best will in the world, we can't decide who or what we're attracted to. If we could, there wouldn't be so many ****ed up relationships.

Plus, the notion of choice begs the question as to why precisely people keep choosing to be gay even in situations where most of their peers are homophobic. Few schoolkids actually think "I know what'd be great. If everyone had a free ticket to beat the shit out of me."

Probably sometime in gradeschool/puberty. I don't remember being attracted to men OR women before that.

So you made a conscious choice? You had it in front of you: love men, or love women? And you considered the reasons and decided positively for one and the other? And lo, you were straight? Personally I don't remember any such thing. Puberty grabs you and you don't decide to suddenly be troubled by thoughts that maybe talking to more girls might be a good idea after all.

It's probably (somehow?) nurture more than nature; sexuality is so social and so psychological, after all. But like most things about our own selves, we are not at liberty to choose it.

 

[Krynn72]

You guys with your "OK THEN BE GAY RIGHT NOW TO PROVE IT" rebuttal are idiots.

 

[repiV]

Plus, the notion of choice begs the question as to why precisely people keep choosing to be gay even in situations where most of their peers are homophobic. Few schoolkids actually think "I know what'd be great. If everyone had a free ticket to beat the shit out of me."

Yeah, that was going to be my next point. It's just a ridiculous suggestion, it takes only a little intelligence and common sense to come to the conclusion that homosexuality is not a choice.

Hell, did anyone ever think of asking a gay person whether or not it was a choice? I have a feeling that just might solve the mystery once and for all. Horses mouth and all that (literally, in the case of some lesbians ).

 

[Absinthe]

How many folks do you think would willingly choose to be identified with a group of people that often receive so much hatred and mockery, and are even assaulted and killed for it? Surely they're not going gay just for the hell of it.

Regardless of the reason why somebody may be homosexual, the idea that there's choice in the matter is shortsighted. There are people who have grown up in strict religious communities that have repeatedly subjected themselves to electro-shock therapy to pray the gay away, with no success. There are confused, bullied kids in schools that probably wish every day that they could be like the other "normal" kids and go through the motions to no avail. If they really could just flip a switch and go hetero, surely they would.

But they can't. :dozey:

EDIT: I see Sulk got it.

 

[Sulkdodds]

I think you put it better, though.

Perhaps it's supposed to be like character creation in an RPG. Once you have made the choice it defines you forever, even if you regret it. :kadayi:

 

[repiV]

But you can always ask Jesus to hack the .ini files for you.

 

[Absinthe]

You get a -50% Speech debuff in Texas. D:

 

[repiV]

I just got this mental image of a dude with a spazzed up face wearing one of those huge gold plated belt buckles with "GHEY" engraved on it.

 

[xcellerate]

You guys with your "OK THEN BE GAY RIGHT NOW TO PROVE IT" rebuttal are idiots.

And you guys who say homosexuality is a choice are idiots.

So homosexuality is a one-time choice. At some point during our childhood, that nobody seems to remember, we decided for the rest of our lives to be attracted to one sex or the other?

 

[Sulkdodds]

God damnit, when I think about how many dialogue boxes I just clicked right through without reading during my adolescence...it was probably one of those.

But you can always ask Jesus to hack the .ini files for you.

Sure, if the tech support wasn't criminally broken.

Hmm...just because we can do this all day, does that mean that we should?

 

[CyberPitz]

I love how both sides say "You who thinks this are idiots"

It's like arguing with children. They each have no proof except "DUUUUH!"

 

[Vigilante]

Yeah, that was going to be my next point. It's just a ridiculous suggestion, it takes only a little intelligence and common sense to come to the conclusion that homosexuality is not a choice.

Hell, did anyone ever think of asking a gay person whether or not it was a choice? I have a feeling that just might solve the mystery once and for all. Horses mouth and all that (literally, in the case of some lesbians ).

My younger brother is gay and there's no way he was 'turned gay' growing up in our household. He has said he was born that way.

Now, let's switch topics to god and evolution! The same guy posted this when I challenged him after he said evolution is a public school's religion:

Creationism claims God created everything, and that God is in control of the universe.

Evolution claims that everything came to be by itself over a long period of time.

You say evolution and global warming are facts because science has very good evidence to support them.

I say God created the universe and everything in it, and that global warming isnt true because God maintains what he created.

Both of our "truths" cannot be true in the same time and in the same sense. Simple law of "non contradiction" affirms that.

Niether you nor I were present at the time of the universe's beginning so we have to "believe" the information provided to us is "true" to bridge the gap in our own mind. That is what "faith" is.

Hence the reason I believe the State supported public schools definition is unfair, as it doesnt provide a good presentation of both beliefs to let children decide. On the contrary it is very intolerant to christianity, as I learned first hand.

It is also the reason I call it a State Sancioned religion, because evolution also carries its own morality. If everything came from nothing for no real reason, then we arent anything anymore special than plants or animals, and our existense is completly pointless. Evolution cannot explain what love is, or why we as people have feelings, as these are inmaterial things.

It all boils down to what you believe. God or man.

Stupid people piss me off. I had to clear up that evolution doesn't give an answer for the origin, only the ride.

 

[Top Secret]

You guys have a lot of holes in your "not a choice" theory.

For example, I have an absolute fascination with automobiles. Are you trying to tell me that there is a gene in my body that is "Loves cars - 1"? I don't recall ever "deciding" that I love cars. I just do. Let me assure you that there is no gene for that.

So what about this case here:

http://hubpages.com/hub/Identical-Twin-Brothers-One-Gay-One-Straight-a-Dialogue-Same-Sex-Marriage

Two identical twin brothers, one is straight, and the other is gay. They have the same genetic make-up. By your argument, the straight guy is gay, and he simply will not admit it to himself. So he is lying then, or what?

I am comfortable in my belief that people result in being either gay or straight by a combination their personality (yes, genetics would FACTOR into this), and person experience while growing up.

But again, if you think it's as simple as a gene then all I can say is the burden of proof is on you, and go find me that gene.

 

[repiV]

And you guys who say homosexuality is a choice are idiots.

So homosexuality is a one-time choice. At some point during our childhood, that nobody seems to remember, we decided for the rest of our lives to be attracted to one sex or the other?

Not to mention that noone is 100% straight or 100% gay. It's a sliding scale IMO.

Sure, if the tech support wasn't criminally broken.

Ya ya. It's a test of your faith. You have to speak to his manager.

 

[Warped]

I'm pretty sure homosexuality is a big problem in the US but many other countries accept it all ready

 

[Top Secret]

Not to mention that noone is 100% straight or 100% gay. It's a sliding scale IMO.

I agree with this. Everyone is gay, but just how gay are you?

I'm pretty sure homosexuality is a big problem in the US but many other countries accept it all ready

Now let's get one thing straight here (pun intended), I do not consider homosexuality a "problem". I could not care less who people **** or love. But until someone comes up with a gene, this genetics argument is nothing but wind.

 

[CyberPitz]

I agree with this. Everyone is gay, but just how gay are you?



Now let's get one thing straight here (pun intended), I do not consider homosexuality a "problem". I could not care less who people **** or love. But until someone comes up with a gene, this genetics argument is nothing but wind.

I'm gay for Nathan Fillion.

 

[repiV]

My younger brother is gay and there's no way he was 'turned gay' growing up in our household. He has said he was born that way.

And my two best friends are a gay couple who say the same. Case closed I would have thought?

You guys have a lot of holes in your "not a choice" theory.

For example, I have an absolute fascination with automobiles. Are you trying to tell me that there is a gene in my body that is "Loves cars - 1"? I don't recall ever "deciding" that I love cars. I just do. Let me assure you that there is no gene for that.

So it wasn't a choice then, was it.

So what about this case here:

http://hubpages.com/hub/Identical-Twin-Brothers-One-Gay-One-Straight-a-Dialogue-Same-Sex-Marriage

Two identical twin brothers, one is straight, and the other is gay. They have the same genetic make-up. By your argument, the straight guy is gay, and he simply will not admit it to himself. So he is lying then, or what?

I am comfortable in my belief that people result in being either gay or straight by a combination their personality (yes, genetics would FACTOR into this), and person experience while growing up.

But again, if you think it's as simple as a gene then all I can say is the burden of proof is on you, and go find me that gene.

It's largely irrelevant whether or not it's genetic (although judging by the number of effeminate gay men and manly lesbians, I'd suggest it's quite likely). The fact is that, like your love of cars, it's not a choice.

 

[Absinthe]

But again, if you think it's as simple as a gene then all I can say is the burden of proof is on you, and go find me that gene.

Just because there may not be a genetic cause for homosexuality doesn't mean it's a choice on par with "Which movie do I want to see Friday night?".

That is the main crux of the argument. There's clearly much more to it than the simple decision-making process you make it out to be.

 

[Vegeta897]

You guys have a lot of holes in your "not a choice" theory.

For example, I have an absolute fascination with automobiles. Are you trying to tell me that there is a gene in my body that is "Loves cars - 1"? I don't recall ever "deciding" that I love cars. I just do. Let me assure you that there is no gene for that.

Wait, was this intended to be a joke.

I can assure you comparing sexual orientation to hobbies/interests is about the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

 

[repiV]

I agree with this. Everyone is gay, but just how gay are you?

Not very, but I have no problem with a bit of teamwork now and then. Some chicks gotta be wrecked on multiple fronts. :thumbs:

 

[Vigilante]

Not very, but I have no problem with a bit of teamwork now and then. Some chicks gotta be wrecked on multiple fronts. :thumbs:

Lol, qft.

And I can't keep up with how fast you guys are posting...