Opposite Of Big Bang

[-Psy-]

This one really screws with my mind

One day, the universe will implode. And then there will be nothing. Absolutely nothing. A void in? Time? It's more or less impossible to think logically how "nothingness" would look like.

 

[Ikerous]

All the matter will recess to one point, but space itself will remain intact. So, as far as i understand, it won't just be nothingness. I could easily be wrong though

But yea, trying to imagine nothing is a fun attempt at futility.

 

[ríomhaire]

Only a theory. The universe could just accelerate forever.

 

[xcellerate]

the thing that gets me, is when christians deny the big bang theory because it goes against the bible. But couldn't god, instead of placing planets here and there, just use the big bang to create the universe? Sort of like...a lazy man's way out? Couldn't he have created the universe, then found a nice little planet and create people that are perfect for that enviornment? It would have been a lot easier than creating people and then a universe that suits them perfectly.

 

[Griz]

As i understood it, current thinking is that the rate of acceleration of the expansion of the universe is actually increasing rather than decreasing, meaning that the universe should go on expanding indefinitely.

 

[Ikerous]

the thing that gets me, is when christians deny the big bang theory because it goes against the bible. But couldn't god, instead of placing planets here and there, just use the big bang to create the universe? Sort of like...a lazy man's way out? Couldn't he have created the universe, then found a nice little planet and create people that are perfect for that enviornment? It would have been a lot easier than creating people and then a universe that suits them perfectly.

Because if you start attributing random qualities/actions to god they're about as substantiated as the bumb on the corner who believes god is a potatoe. But if you base your beliefs about god on a book, its logical

As i understood it, current thinking is that the rate of acceleration of the expansion of the universe is actually increasing rather than decreasing, meaning that the universe should go on expanding indefinitely.

You can't slow down without first going faster ;-)

 

[Ren.182]

As i understood it, current thinking is that the rate of acceleration of the expansion of the universe is actually increasing rather than decreasing, meaning that the universe should go on expanding indefinitely.

Well, it needs energy to travel/expand. Unless beyond the boarders of space there is just more "nothingness" then it might not need energy to continue to expand. If there is something out side of the boarders, and it has to "push" against it to expand, then, eventually, it will lose its energy and either stop the size it is. OR, it will implode. Depending on how close everything is at the moment when it stops expanding.

It's a tough concept to think over, the vast amount of nothingness are just impossible to imagine. As it is impossible to imagine when it would look like after the "implode".

*Brain explodes*

 

[MuToiD_MaN]

The end of the Universe is nothing more than a gnab gib.

Read the Guide.

 

[Solaris]

The universe is belived to be part of a multiverse, which has several different universes inside.

 

[Muffin Man]

the bible is obviously just a metaphor, adam was the first cell and his rib was obviously a chromosome and taking it out and forming eve is basically mitosis, and so on and so on. or at least thats what me friend thinks. m personally agnotsitc but this isnt a religion thread so w/e. and anyway, imagining how the universe goes on forever and all that crap just gives me a big headache, AHH!

 

[Griz]

Well, it needs energy to travel/expand. Unless beyond the boarders of space there is just more "nothingness" then it might not need energy to continue to expand. If there is something out side of the boarders, and it has to "push" against it to expand, then, eventually, it will lose its energy and either stop the size it is. OR, it will implode. Depending on how close everything is at the moment when it stops expanding.

It's a tough concept to think over, the vast amount of nothingness are just impossible to imagine. As it is impossible to imagine when it would look like after the "implode".

*Brain explodes*

The energy it uses is obviously derived directly from the big bang and the only force counteracting the expansion of the universe is the collective gravitational force of all of the matter in it.

So the question is whether or not that gravitational force is, or ever will be enough to slow the expansion of the universe or even cause a reversal. And as i said, currently the rate of expansion is increasing meaning that there will have to be considerably more matter created (from energy) to first slow the rate of expansion to zero, then below zero (deceleration) to the point where the net expansion reaches zero only after which will a collapse begin.

 

[Ennui]

Sillies.

We're merely a sneeze of the Great Green Arkleseizure.

Fear the coming of the hankerchief.

 

[W4E]

After it implodes it will re-bang imo. Oscillating theory or something.

 

[short recoil]

There are infinite realities, everything exists perfectly balancing itself out.
A singularity, meaning you don't have to explain why something exists or dosn't because both are true, physics breaks down.

Most likely anyway, i can't see how existance can be any other way, but then again my mind is formed from this universe it could be complete bull.

No point thinking about it, otherwise you'll go insane, its not gonna go anywhere because you can NEVER tell if you are on the "top level" of thinking.

 

[ktimekiller]

i think many important details may be added to bible, cause all it said was he made everything, never specified how, it could have been in anyway, as well as the dates, i believe it could have been 7 years, 7 million years, 7 trillion years, w/e

 

[short recoil]

i think many important details may be added to bible, cause all it said was he made everything, never specified how, it could have been in anyway, as well as the dates, i believe it could have been 7 years, 7 million years, 7 trillion years, w/e

Yeah fit an old story to what you observe now, hope the police don't do that in investigations.....

 

[Ikerous]

i think many important details may be added to bible, cause all it said was he made everything, never specified how, it could have been in anyway, as well as the dates, i believe it could have been 7 years, 7 million years, 7 trillion years, w/e

The bible explains exactly how it happened and how long it took...

 

[AzzMan]

I believe the Universe and whatever larger entity it is part of, is too much for the human mind to comprehend. And I believe we never will, biologically and mentally I think we are still too bound to this world to even begin to fathom what else is out there. Still fun to speculate though

 

[ríomhaire]

Well unless there is another force pushing everything apart(ie dark energy) then gravity should eventualy take effect. Everything in the entire universe is the slightest amount affeceted by eachothers gravity right?

 

[short recoil]

I believe the Universe and whatever larger entity it is part of, is too much for the human mind to comprehend. And I believe we never will, biologically and mentally I think we are still too bound to this world to even begin to fathom what else is out there. Still fun to speculate though

Well in theory our minds can handle what we percieve, there is no way to percieve more than the mind can handle, its blanks it out.

One thing the human mind cannot handle is infinity because we never experience it.

 

[Ren.182]

I believe the Universe and whatever larger entity it is part of, is too much for the human mind to comprehend. And I believe we never will, biologically and mentally I think we are still too bound to this world to even begin to fathom what else is out there. Still fun to speculate though

Eventually i reckon we will escape to space. Or at least explore it a little more than our neighbouring planets. I know it probably wont be in my lifetime, or in our childrens maybe. But you never know.

Well, at least we have our sci-fi movies/books/cartoons/whatever...

 

[Last One In]

the thing that gets me, is when christians deny the big bang theory because it goes against the bible. But couldn't god, instead of placing planets here and there, just use the big bang to create the universe? Sort of like...a lazy man's way out? Couldn't he have created the universe, then found a nice little planet and create people that are perfect for that enviornment? It would have been a lot easier than creating people and then a universe that suits them perfectly.

Catholics take a much lighter view on the subject:

Keep in mind that the idea that the universe came into existence as a result of a cataclysmic explosion of highly compressed matter is not inconsistent with the Catholic teaching that God created the universe. A big bang could have been part of his method of creation.

http://www.catholic.com/thisrock/1993/9306qq.asp

 

[AzzMan]

Eventually i reckon we will escape to space. Or at least explore it a little more than our neighbouring planets. I know it probably wont be in my lifetime, or in our childrens maybe. But you never know.

Well, at least we have our sci-fi movies/books/cartoons/whatever...

IMO it will be a few thousand years at least, before we begin to make sense. Of course I always have my video games to hold me over till then:thumbs:

 

[Prince of China]

So far, I heard several things:
-The Universe will go into a Big Crunch and a new Universe will be born.
-The Universe will keep expanding until it gets to a point where it cannot support life.
-We are part of a multiverse and when these universes collide, the collision creates a big bang and another universe is born (String theory).

 

[Ren.182]

Really, what we only have theories...
You could go and say that we get deja vu because all of this already happened in another life, then there was a big crush and it all started over again.

Yeah, it will be quite some time before we get deep into space. Unless some nice friendly aliens come and give us the technology.

And, yes... ALIENS EXIST

 

[kirovman]

Catholics take a much lighter view on the subject: http://www.catholic.com/thisrock/1993/9306qq.asp

Even if there were a mechanism to re-expand the universe, each cycle of expansion and contraction would lose energy because of entropy, the tendency to of matter run down, much as a spring-driven clock runs down. The extent of the universe's expansion would diminish with each cycle - consider how swings of a pendulum slowly diminish - and eventually the universe would cease expanding entirely, its mass remaining collapsed. There could never be an infinite number of successive expansions and contractions

The Universe would be at maximum entropy anyway when it reached the big crunch. If the laws of physics changed so much as to allow for the concept of entropy being destroyed at immense space-time singularities such as the start and end of the universe, then the universe could well get bigger on each cycle for all we know.
If entropy is not destroyed, there can be only one universe.

And the singularity which is the end of the universe is by no means a black hole at all. It is the compression of all space into one point, at the end of time.
Imagine the lesser dimensional analogy. The end/beginning of time are the north and south poles. A black hole would be a hole into the earth. It's not a perfect analogy but it works for these basic purposes.

However the big crunch is only one theory, there is an ever expanding universe theory too.

Since the whole of the universe - all matter and energy, even space Itself - was compressed into the black hole, "outside" must imply a non-natural force, a force above nature, and that is the definition of supernatural. No matter which alternative an atheist takes, he ends up with God

There is no outside, outside implies further space.

Not to say God doesn't exist, but that website is very inaccurate.

What I'm trying to say is, that website is bollocks.

 

[ktimekiller]

The bible explains exactly how it happened and how long it took...

really... well, my reading comprention sucks ass

 

[Ikerous]

really... well, my reading comprention sucks ass

How's your spelling?

 

[Danimal]

It could be like a rubber band, it keeps expanding and expanding and once it loses energy the boarders could snap back into the center and cause that implosion.

But what if it never runs out of energy?

 

[Ren.182]

There is no outside, outside implies further space.

Not to say God doesn't exist, but that website is very inaccurate.

What I'm trying to say is, that website is bollocks.

Have you been to the edge of space?

What i'm trying to say is that nobody really knows whats out there...

 

[kirovman]

Have you been to the edge of space?

What i'm trying to say is that nobody really knows whats out there...

There is no edge. It's all about modelling time as a dimension that's similar to space. Thinking about it, it's pretty nonsensical to think that there should be an edge.

Compare with: Is there an edge to the Earth's surface? Have you been there?

 

[Ren.182]

There is no edge. It's all about modelling time as a dimension that's similar to space.

Compare with: Is there an edge to the Earth's surface? Have you been there?

Maybe... Maybe not.
This is killing my brain to think about at 1am...
But maybe there isn't an "edge" as such, but rather some kind of barrier or radiation which is just expanding.
Theres so many theories that people can come out with, any of them could be true.

 

[kirovman]

Maybe... Maybe not.
This is killing my brain to think about at 1am...
But maybe there isn't an "edge" as such, but rather some kind of barrier or radiation which is just expanding.
Theres so many theories that people can come out with, any of them could be true.

Well it helps to think 2-dimensionally. Imagine the Earth expanding. There is no edge, but obviously the surface area gets larger and it take longer for things, such as radiation to propagate around the globe.

And yeah, thinking about General Relativity at 1am does hurt :x

 

[short recoil]

Mabye it's just a dream?

 

[AzzMan]

Even if there were a mechanism to re-expand the universe, each cycle of expansion and contraction would lose energy because of entropy, the tendency to of matter run down, much as a spring-driven clock runs down. The extent of the universe's expansion would diminish with each cycle - consider how swings of a pendulum slowly diminish - and eventually the universe would cease expanding entirely, its mass remaining collapsed. There could never be an infinite number of successive expansions and contractions .

Well if that were the case, where would this lost energy go? If this universe is the only one, it would still be nere no matter what. Of course I believe there is much more to this universe than we see, not to mention whatever is beyond.
Example: virtual particles that pop into existence, seemingly out of nowhere. Normally they annihilate each other, but at the event horizon of a black hole one is sucked in and the other is thrown out into space.

 

[Ren.182]

Well it helps to think 2-dimensionally. Imagine the Earth expanding. There is no edge, but obviously the surface area gets larger and it take longer for things, such as radiation to propagate around the globe.

And yeah, thinking about General Relativity at 1am does hurt :x

But space is 3-dimentional... just to make it that little bit more brain murdering.
This thread makes me want to go and play X3.

 

[kirovman]

Well if that were the case, where would this lost energy go? If this universe is the only one, it would still be nere no matter what. Of course I believe there is much more to this universe than we see, not to mention whatever is beyond.
Example: virtual particles that pop into existence, seemingly out of nowhere. Normally they annihilate each other, but at the event horizon of a black hoe one is sucked in and the other is thrown out into space.

You are right.

And it's false to suggest entropy is the loss of energy. Energy is conserved in a closed system (ie the Universe).

 

[WaterMelon34]

i think many important details may be added to bible, cause all it said was he made everything, never specified how, it could have been in anyway, as well as the dates, i believe it could have been 7 years, 7 million years, 7 trillion years, w/e

Only protestants think the bible is literal. I think the coming of the universe had something to do with God, but in a scientific way, if you know what I mean. Like a game, you can't just make it because you want to, you have to follow the rules (ie. programming). But that's all shim-sham. What I wanna know is how something came of nothing. Matter; the building blocks of all things, come from absolutely nothing, so how could nothing blow up under pressure or whatever the hell would cause something to implode/explode and turn into everything?

 

[dream431ca]

The universe is actually expanding faster. I don't think there will be, what scientists call "a big crunch" where everything comes together at a single point...possibly making another Big bang.

 

[Naudian]

Sometimes I think this:

"Nothingness" can't exist, because it isn't a thing (it's nothing). So there never was and never will be a state of "nothingness". Kinda hard to explain...nothing is nothing, therefore there is no such thing as nothing. Get it? I think there is/was/will be always something and somethingness, it's just that the somethingness changes form once in a while...

And sometimes I think this:

Being a genius would be so kick ass...