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One thing has been annoying me for a rather long time, and I need to vent.

I hate that all opposition political correctness, which seems to come from all political ideologies, but mainly to the right of the scale, has become an excuse to say whatever idiotic thing one pleases.

They are hiding under the blanket of political incorrectness, and think that gives them the right to spew out any racist, homophobic, misogynistic shit they please without facing criticism. A person might say, for example, that they consider women to be better suited cooking etc. than being on the job market, and when questioned about the statement, they will simply accuse the inquirer of being political correct and be let off the hook.

Am I the only one who is bothered with this?
 
The thing I notice most, is that people crying about political correctness are always quick to cry about things that others say about themselves and their groups.
 
There's a thin line between political incorrectness and stupidity, just like how there's a thin line between political correctness and lying.


For example, if I said all Japanese/Arabs/Africans/Little Green Men are ignorant, ugly, and unable to handle the concept of civilization, I would be being stupid. If I said most of them were....




:p
 
go to countryes like cuba where making a statment the goverment dont consider politically correct can give you a good punishment
 
I agree. People who say that the world is getting too PC is also curiously the people who spout non sense i.e. Glenn Beck and co.
 
If you're going to state political correctness is bad, you may as well state why.

I'm totally for political correctness but I certainly think there are people who take things a little too far with it. For example, recently Australia came under fire for having a this KFC ad.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zcWQftvQpQ

This ad inadvertently applies a racial stereotype that exists only in the U.S. whereas everyone here in Australia saw it as a bloke sitting in the other teams stands at a cricket match, when they were clearly winning. If this ad was for McDonalds and he pulled out McDonalds instead of KFC, there'd be no problem. But since the racial stereotype of "all black people like fried chicken" exists in the U.S, people in the U.S. have taken offense to it.

The problem with this argument of the ad being racist, is that the people who call it racist are inadvertently saying "all black people are the same" when they say it's a stereotype to show people from the West Indies enjoying fried chicken. Saying this ad is racist because it perpetuates what they see is a stereotype (and in this case its not at all) is implying that their culture is more important than our own sovereign cultures, where this stereotype doesn't exist at all and black people enjoying fried chicken isn't a racial put-down.

On the other hand, people who are against political correctness because of shit like that, often end up saying even stupider shit like this: "Cultural Marxism is political correctness, it's multiculturalism, and it's a war on Judeo-Christianty"

http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/200912180052

So....yeah.
 
If jverne had made this same thread we would all be flaming him.
And Monkey, stop being such a swede.
 
xdrive said:
Political correctness = bad.
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I'm not surprised you would say this. I think political correctness taken to it's extreme is bad. But I also think people who scream Political Correctness is permeating through society too much usually tends to be people who wants to spout their idiocy in public.
 
Sparta said:
If you're going to state political correctness is bad, you may as well state why.

I'm totally for political correctness but I certainly think there are people who take things a little too far with it. For example, recently Australia came under fire for having a this KFC ad.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zcWQftvQpQ

This ad inadvertently applies a racial stereotype that exists only in the U.S. whereas everyone here in Australia saw it as a bloke sitting in the other teams stands at a cricket match, when they were clearly winning. If this ad was for McDonalds and he pulled out McDonalds instead of KFC, there'd be no problem. But since the racial stereotype of "all black people like fried chicken" exists in the U.S, people in the U.S. have taken offense to it.

The problem with this argument of the ad being racist, is that the people who call it racist are inadvertently saying "all black people are the same" when they say it's a stereotype to show people from the West Indies enjoying fried chicken. Saying this ad is racist because it perpetuates what they see is a stereotype (and in this case its not at all) is implying that their culture is more important than our own sovereign cultures, where this stereotype doesn't exist at all and black people enjoying fried chicken isn't a racial put-down.

On the other hand, people who are against political correctness because of shit like that, often end up saying even stupider shit like this: "Cultural Marxism is political correctness, it's multiculturalism, and it's a war on Judeo-Christianty"

http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/200912180052

So....yeah.
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Exactly. The fuss about that ad is yet another reason why political correctness is bad. Infact millions of more people now know about that racist American stereotype because they kicked up such a fuss. If they didn't come out and call it racist, no one here would have known. Pretty much the steryotype would be buried.

Australia is not a politically correct country, America is and America can keep it's political correctness, we don't want it.
 
The Monkey said:
One thing has been annoying me for a rather long time, and I need to vent.

I hate that all opposition political correctness, which seems to come from all political ideologies, but mainly to the right of the scale, has become an excuse to say whatever idiotic thing one pleases.

They are hiding under the blanket of political incorrectness, and think that gives them the right to spew out any racist, homophobic, misogynistic shit they please without facing criticism. A person might say, for example, that they consider women to be better suited cooking etc. than being on the job market, and when questioned about the statement, they will simply accuse the inquirer of being political correct and be let off the hook.

Am I the only one who is bothered with this?
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What kind of people do you converse with? I haven't seen anybody talk like that unless it's race related.Even so just by saying: "your being pc"
That's not really arguing the point.I'm on the far right spectrum and I would never argue like that.
 
Acepilotf14 said:
If jverne had made this same thread we would all be flaming him.
And Monkey, stop being such a swede.
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Heh...Talk about double standards

jondy said:
well, yeah, but jverne's like the anti-authority fallacy
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That's because a lot of folk here can't see past their wall of group reinforced political correct fantasy.
If i say the Taliban are total bastard savages, some here go..."YOU'RE A COMPLETE RACIST AND XENOPHOBIC" or "YOU'RE NOT LOOKING AT THE TALIBAN THE RIGHT WAY", sure i don't. Relatively speaking sadistic torture might be good for someone, but for the imperfect people living here and now it's not, no matter what a philosophical branch might say.
And still nobody answered why am i racist and xenophobic? Since i don't believe in race and i generally do some research on things i criticize.
Since when are the Taliban a race or their actions and ideals unknown?


edit:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cs2UpCrsc7s&feature=related
A bunch of people with ideals i don't like. However i perfectly understand how they came to be and believe they can and will change for the better over time. But i'm not fond of their ideals or their culture as it is right now. Not that i'd agree with the opposite side since they are a bunch of morons themselves (those who like the current policy).

edit#2:

In traffic law, 2 or more vehicles driving bumper-to-bumper or in in a close line are considered a tail (if i did translate it correctly), so one possible definition of culture is two or more people with the same ideas. And i bet there are at least some thousands of afghans that share the views of the Taliban. You see...unless they change their views, they can go **** themselves for all i care.


edit#3:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=det7TUsLy8U

Public death threats are not something our society finds legitimate...and yet nobody cares.
Death threats in my country the last time i've checked are considered minor criminal actions.
If you're gonna wish death to someone you are not allowed to do it in the public streets where the majority doesn't approve of your actions you're asking for trouble.
 
xdrive said:
Exactly. The fuss about that ad is yet another reason why political correctness is bad. Infact millions of more people now know about that racist American stereotype because they kicked up such a fuss. If they didn't come out and call it racist, no one here would have known. Pretty much the steryotype would be buried.

Australia is not a politically correct country, America is and America can keep it's political correctness, we don't want it.
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I think we definitely still need political correctness, because otherwise we'll just regress to having sexual harassment in the workplace and god knows what else to boot, but I definitely don't think our standards of political correctness should be imposed on us by another cultures unique racial stereotypes. That's cultural imperialism and says their culture matters more than our own sovereign culture and that's bollocks.

When that Michael Jackson blackface incident happened last year on Red Faces when Harry Connick Jr was on, I was absolutely appalled to see such a thing allowed on t.v. when we very much were exposed to and even participated in minstrel shows earlier in history. That was terrible. Blackface is pretty much globally condemned, whereas this KFC ad is American's complaining because they recognise it as a racial stereotype from their culture that ridicules african-americans. We have no such stereotype over here and all this has done is point out to Australians that Americans think black people eating chicken is racist. It's done no good what-so-ever.
 
Sparta said:
I think we definitely still need political correctness, because otherwise we'll just regress to having sexual harassment in the workplace and god knows what else to boot, but I definitely don't think our standards of political correctness should be imposed on us by another cultures unique racial stereotypes. That's cultural imperialism and says their culture matters more than our own sovereign culture and that's bollocks.

When that Michael Jackson blackface incident happened last year on Red Faces when Harry Connick Jr was on, I was absolutely appalled to see such a thing allowed on t.v. when we very much were exposed to and even participated in minstrel shows earlier in history. That was terrible. Blackface is pretty much globally condemned, whereas this KFC ad is American's complaining because they recognise it as a racial stereotype from their culture that ridicules african-americans. We have no such stereotype over here and all this has done is point out to Australians that Americans think black people eating chicken is racist. It's done no good what-so-ever.
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With that black faces things, i was watching the show live, and as i was watching the black faces performances, no thought whatsoever that the performance was racist entered my mind.

Then next day i hear on the news that the Americans find it racist. So now millions of people in Australia now know of this racist blackfaces thing that was done in back ages ago.

If they didn't kick up such a fuss over it, all these people would not know of this racist blackfaces thing. The stereotype could of been one day buried, but now even more people know about it now.
 
I don't understand most of these western stereotypes... paint someone's face white and they're a mime. Paint it black and you're a racist.

Also, can anyone explain the black people-KFC-watermelon stereotype?
 
I hate political correctness with a passion. It just plain annoys me. Being non-politically correct does not mean you have the right to spout racist and homophobic remarks .Or using racist words for that matter. People should learn to just chill the **** out instead of being petty and dealing with things which are not worth getting angry about. That's what PC is. Giving a shit about things that are so minor they are not worth giving a shit about.

To put it another way people should stop trying to interpret things as being offensive unless they actually are.


Besides political correctness has been used to stop people from saying things which have happened in history for example: mohammed was a warlord - it's true. Apparently it isnt true because the PC brigade told me so.

If you are offended because of something petty and minor like the baa baa black sheep and have to say baa baa coloured sheep then you are just a moron in my eyes. Any political correctness is too much political correctness. Ever heard of the phrase "I'm offended because your offended". The PC brigade's stupidity offends me.

I think we definitely still need political correctness, because otherwise we'll just regress to having sexual harassment in the workplace and god knows what else to boot, but I definitely don't think our standards of political correctness should be imposed on us by another cultures unique racial stereotypes. That's cultural imperialism and says their culture matters more than our own sovereign culture and that's bollocks.
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Political correctness is about not saying things which may offend people rather than things which actually will(which I refer to as being an asshole rather than "that's not politically correct"). Anything can be offensive if we interpret it as being offensive. Trying to cut out everything which may be offensive to people is an impossible task and is ruining the way we talk to people.

It's people that get offended about silly things that piss me off not people who don't.

EDIT

I said that the KFC advert was offensive but I take it back. Black people like chicken. I like chicken. So what? They have good taste. Japanese are known to like fish. Black people are known to like chicken. Germans like sausages because they even have oktoberfest.

If someone made an advert saying I eat fish and chips and drink tea because I'm English I would not give a flying monkeys arse. I do like fish and chips and tea. However if they used a racist comment that would be another story. They did not go out and say the n-word or anything so why be offended?

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That's not to say that every single British person on earth likes fish and chips. Stereotyping on an individual level would be stupid but there is no denying that the majority of British people like fish and chips. This applies to the KFC advert. It did not say that it was impossible to have a black vegetarian because every black person in the world likes chicken. It said the majority do. That type of thinking does not apply on an individual level and if you do apply stereotypes to individuals you are a moron.
 
99.vikram said:
I don't understand most of these western stereotypes... paint someone's face white and they're a mime. Paint it black and you're a racist.

Also, can anyone explain the black people-KFC-watermelon stereotype?
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Black people are just stereotyped to like fried chicken and watermelons, there's not much more to it than that. That stuff with the Australian ad is moronic, nobody would have thought twice about it being racist except for a /b/tard or the like who would just lol and go on about their already very politically incorrect day.

I'm whiter than hell and I also happen to love fried chicken and watermelons.
 
13LACKBISHOP said:
I hate political correctness with a passion. It just plain annoys me. Being non-politically correct does not mean you have the right to spout racist and homophobic remarks .Or using racist words for that matter. People should learn to just chill the **** out instead of being petty and dealing with things which are not worth getting angry about. That's what PC is. Giving a shit about things that are so minor they are not worth giving a shit about.

To put it another way people should stop trying to interpret things as being offensive unless they actually are.


Besides political correctness has been used to stop people from saying things which have happened in history for example: mohammed was a warlord - it's true. Apparently it isnt true because the PC brigade told me so.

If you are offended because of something petty and minor like the baa baa black sheep and have to say baa baa coloured sheep then you are just a moron in my eyes. Any political correctness is too much political correctness. Ever heard of the phrase "I'm offended because your offended". The PC brigade's stupidity offends me.
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I don't think political correctness really exists. Also, I think people who harp on about it, like the above poster are closet racists. No-one is offended by 'baa baa black sheep' or the word 'blackboard'. However I can easily imagine the above poster spouting out "we can't read animal farm in school becuase it offends the muslims, ITS POLITICAL CORRECTNESS GONE MAD!!!"

When the alleged incident that offends never happened. It's just a cover for closet racism in my opinion. And given the above poster is from Accrington and presumably white, I'm pretty sure in my conclusion.
 
99.vikram said:
I don't understand most of these western stereotypes... paint someone's face white and they're a mime. Paint it black and you're a racist.

Also, can anyone explain the black people-KFC-watermelon stereotype?
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See, this is why political correctness sucks.

Ennui said:
Black people are just stereotyped to like fried chicken and watermelons, there's not much more to it than that. That stuff with the Australian ad is moronic, nobody would have thought twice about it being racist except for a /b/tard or the like who would just lol and go on about their already very politically incorrect day.

I'm whiter than hell and I also happen to love fried chicken and watermelons.
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Hang on, so are you saying the ad was racist? or not.
 
Solaris said:
However I can easily imagine the above poster spouting out "we can't read animal farm in school becuase it offends the muslims, ITS POLITICAL CORRECTNESS GONE MAD!!!"
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You racist, islamophobe, xenophobe you are not culturally sensitive!!!"!"!!!?


(i'm just using the krynn technique here, i'm not serious)
 
Identifying Krynn's primary technique as racist witch-hunting really only indicates delusion on your part.
 
Sulkdodds said:
Identifying Krynn's primary technique as racist witch-hunting really only indicates delusion on your part.
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No, i'm just showing how stupid such replies are and i'm also joking.

I guess krynn was also just being humorous when he wrote that...well i hope he was.
 
To the people opposing political correctness I think it's important to point out (again) that if we stopped trying to be political correct, that would slowly lead us down the road to bringing back things like sexism in the workplace while casually/passively supporting and encouraging racism and other discrimination as well. So while I think some people take things too far with it (like the KFC ad), it's definitely necessary.
 
xdrive said:
Political correctness = bad.
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^This

Being politically correct means to lie to make yourself or others feel better about a fact, idea, or opinion which otherwise you wouldn't give a damn about if not for a modern society full of whinos. Applies to both ends of the political spectrum.
 
For some reason the world is now full of whinging pussies constantly on the lookout for things to be offended by. It's largely irrelevant whether a joke is racist, sexist or anything else - it's just a joke. Perhaps people don't have enough genuine problems in their lives anymore, and have to invent things to get wound up about. That would explain why it's middle class white people who get offended by shit 9 times out of 10.
 
The good thing about not worrying about political correctness is that it exposes the true racists. A racist who is trying to be politically correct is hard to discern from someone who is merely xenophobic, or even someone who is neither xenophobic nor racist.

When political correctness is thrown out the window, we are left with the bare hatred of racists and fear of xenophobes, and they can be responded to in turn.

You see, the kicker is, being "politically correct" is only uncomfortable to people who are pretending to be impartial to race. Being politically correct is sort of like lying for a racist. It makes them uncomfortable and creates cognitive dissonance. For a non-racist, being politically correct is not nearly as uncomfortable.

Its not surprising then, that racists are the ones who complain about political correctness the most.
 
Sparta said:
To the people opposing political correctness I think it's important to point out (again) that if we stopped trying to be political correct, that would slowly lead us down the road to bringing back things like sexism in the workplace while casually/passively supporting and encouraging racism and other discrimination as well. So while I think some people take things too far with it (like the KFC ad), it's definitely necessary.
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Nonsense. This is a slippery slope fallacy.
 
Y'all called me on it. No hiding the truth at this point.

I don't like political correctness because I hate teh darkies.

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theotherguy said:
Nonsense. This is a slippery slope fallacy.
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I just realised you're right, it is a slippery slope fallacy and you do make some very good points about throwing away political correctness.
 
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