Political Quicksheet Form

[Top Secret]

I don't really come to the politics forum enough anymore to remember who thinks what about which political issue (except Stern). So I thought it would be a WONDERFUL idea if everyone just stated how they feel about various issues in a concise and easily-readable form. Also, please fill out your address if you are a Jew. (WW2 jokes not funny anymore?)

Capitol Punishment: +

I love the idea of capitol punishment. I just with they would air it on television and not take so damn long for people to get executed. Yes, I am aware that sometimes they "get-it-wrong", but the pro's outweigh the con's in my humble opinion.

Gun Control: -

I ****ing love guns. (Though would never own one.) I think every person should have the right to carry a firearm so long as they are licensed to do so.

Global Warming: -

It's (for the most part) bullshit. C02 has nearly zero affect on the environment compared to say, water vapor. The sun's cycle has a far greater affect on the earth's climate than the C02 content.

Socialized Health Care: +

Great idea. What the **** are we waiting for. Obviously it works. Go to Europe or Canadia.

Religion in Schools: -

Separation of Church and State mean anything to anyone? I don't care if you're Chrislum. Practice it on your own time with your own money.

War on Drugs: -

Pointless. All drugs should be legal to buy. Period.

Torture: =

The only thing I will say on torture is if you are going to do it/doing it, admit it. None of this dancing around the tree bullshit. Either say you aren't doing it and don't, or admit you are and do it. Yes, I think torture can be justified. No, I don't think that it's always justified. Torture for the sake of torture is bullshit. Torture because you're trying to save the lives of thousands is completely acceptable.

If anyone can think of something I'm missing, let me know.

 

[theotherguy]

Capitol Punishment:------
Worthless as a deterrent, extremely expensive, inhumane, prone to error. Barbaric.

Gun Control: +++++
No more guns owned by civilians not in a militia please.

On Global Warming: ++++
It's real. It's happening. It's human caused. We can still fix it.
Socialized Health Care: +++++++
Why don't we have this already?

Religion in Schools: --------
Nonsense doesn't belong in schools. Don't force my children to learn bullshit thank you. Don't pray in my school and I won't think in your church.

War on Drugs: =
Drugs are bad for society, but trying to control and prohibit them is worse. Legalize marijuana, but keep the "hard" drugs illegal.

Torture: -------
Cruel and unusual punishment. Barbaric. Awful.

 

[Qonfused]

^ This.

 

[MFD00M]

Religion in Schools: --------
Nonsense doesn't belong in schools. Don't force my children to learn bullshit thank you. Don't pray in my school and I won't think in your church.

That was so awesome.

 

[Sulkdodds]

Are these really all the main political issues of the day?

Capital Punishment:

Opposed to it from a moral and practical perspective. I don't beleive there is much justification for killing killers and to run the system in a way where it would not cost as much as it does that is, even more than a life sentence - would be unjust. Plus, it's a crappy deterrent, and there are always mistakes. If we were able to tell without flaw whether someone committed a crime I might be for it. Until then, and as long as there is even the slightest chance that a single person might be wrongly executed, I'm against it.

Gun Control:

Undecided. On the one hand, an convincing body of evidence and some decent logical arguments. On the other hand, claimed ambiguities in that evidence, and what seems the self-evident illogicality of letting people walk around with killing devices. Might support gun legalisation in own country if accompanied by decent security measures.

Global Warming:

Evidence far too compelling, and world's best minds far too much in agreement, to ignore. Blatantly happening, probably human-caused. Trees and hills and landscapes will be swallowed. What is now will some day not be. However, there will be no dent in its progress without entirely reforming all society, which is as unlikely to happen as ever - and, in the meantime, many measures imposed by governments supposedly to counter the problem are more likely cynical sops to a gullible populace and/or ulterior control measures.

Socialized Health Care:

Fully in favour, to the most comprehensive degree possible. Find the very idea of private healthcare questionable.

Religion in Schools:

Clinical neutral study, no more.

War on Drugs:

Expensive and harmful, the 'war on drugs' in fact has the incredible distinction of itself causing most of the problems of substance abuse. A truly flabbergasting example of a cure that's far worse than the disease, even before one begins questioning the rationale of imprisoning users for taking a life choice that does nobody else any harm. Would support total legalisation of most drugs.

Torture:

Rarely justified, usually impractical, always inhumane. I'd be against it even on purely moral grounds, but I don't need to be, because it's not a very good method of intelligence gathering.

 

[15357]

Capital Punishment: +

I find it to be a tendency of the liberal community to assume that everybody in a world of 7 billion people can be made into productive citizens.

Of course, I find Capital Punishment to be a waste of human resources (super cheap labor!) but sometimes they are necessary, as in the case of rebel or sociocidal leaders.

Gun Control: -

No guns, except for hunters. Period. Heck, I don't think the police need guns either. Tazers and net guns will do fine, if the good ol' enforcer baton doesn't work. Of course exceptions to Tactical Combat Police and Coast Guard.

Global Warming: =

Undecided due to ignorance.

Socialized Health Care: =

In America you pay $200 for a broken leg. Here you pay about $30 ~ $50. Fine with me.

Religion in Schools: -------

Hell frigging no. We should not poison the minds of the young with unrealistic and borderline retarded bullshit.

War on Drugs: +++++

Drugs = 25 to life.

Torture: =

Torture is a hard one. We used to do it, and people got carried away, killing the interogated. We need to make torture systemized to prevent deaths. However, I am ignorant about the effectivness of torture, so I'll go ahead and say substances like sodium penthatol need to be developed more.

 

[Atomic_Piggy]

Capitol Punishment: +

Any sane person should admit this is wrong. There is always room for mistakes, and we can never risk killing an innocent person even if it is certain he/she did it. There is always room for mistakes.

Gun Control: -
Columbine

Global Warming: -

Of course this is true, and anyone who denies had best be a climatologist. Except none of them are. So they are arrogent fools.

Socialized Health Care: +

Already have it here. USA should hurry up and get it before more die.

Religion in Schools: -

No.

War on Drugs: -

No.

Torture: =

No. See death penalty. You cannot risk innocent lives.

I think you are missing abortion and euthanisia.

Abortion = Yes.

Euthansia = yes. I don't care if it offends religious people, its none of they're ****ing buisness.

 

[Mr Stabby]

Capital Punishment: I support it in theory, I think the most serious crimes can warrant execution, but not in practice due to incompetence in the system.

Gun Control: I see no reason for a blanket ban on all guns, when the vast majority are not used maliciously. Though regulation should stop the mentally unstable and criminals from obtaining guns.

Global Warming: I don't know whether this is true or not, as I'm not climatologist, they have been wrong before about the 20th century ice age. However considering we are running out of fossil fuels and energy security and global warming have the same solution, we should assume it's real.

Socialized Health Care: I think it should be socialized financially but run by market management, as governments are incompetent.

Religion in Schools: Freedom of religion, no one is forced to send their child to a religious school, those that want to should be able too, although some regulation is required to ban the teaching of jihad and honour killings.

War on Drugs: Against, not everyone who tries drugs ends up a junkie, so I don't support baning drugs for everyone.

Torture: No. It doesn't work.

Abortion: Against the current length of time (I think 24 weeks) as their is evidence to suggest fetuses are 'alive' from 19 weeks. Should be heavily regulated and a limit of 8 weeks should be imposed.

Euthanasia: Against, open to misuse.

 

[Absinthe]

Capitol Punishment: --

I find it questionable on a moral level. Should civilized societies be meting out punishments based on revenge? Although I do understand the support for execution of convicts in some cases where the crime is beyond heinous.

Practically, I see it as an ineffective deterrent, too expensive, and currently carries too great a risk of wrongfully killing innocents. I think that's unacceptable. So all in all I'm against it, but my stance could switch over if changes were made to make the system more reliable.

Gun Control: ==

Don't know enough about it, or perhaps haven't faced a greatly convincing argument either way. I'm not against responsible citizens owning or carrying firearms, but I do question how necessary it is.

Global Warming: ++

It's real and we contribute to it. The scientific community is in almost unanimous agreement that it exists and many of the more outspoken voices against it seem to have ulterior motives. Most of the skeptics have had to repeatedly double back on themselves as evidence has grown more compelling. First global warming didn't exist. Then it did exist, but it was negligible. Now it's real and could actually pose a credible threat in the future, but humans aren't responsible. Such constant revisions are surely the signs of a movement of dubious integrity.

Socialized Health Care: ++

Do it. This should be a priority of every modern, civilized country. Everybody deserves decent healthcare and it should not be left up to how much money you have. That the United States has not yet adopted such a system is an absolute embarrassment.

Religion in Schools: --

Get it out. No education system should promote or instruct their students in religious beliefs. If you want your children to get religious instruction, do it outside of school on your own time. You can also throw out the creationist garbage as well.

I'm no fan of private religious schools either. Should we really be making allowances for stupid bullshit to be ingrained into kids' heads? Of course, it's not like everybody who goes to one turns into a fundy. And where do we draw the line on what a parent can or can't have his or children learn?

I can tolerate the existence of private religious schools. At the same time, I'd be more than happy if they one day ceased to exist.

War on Drugs: --

Is there anybody who doesn't think this has been a colossal waste of time, money, and human life? I'm pretty sure most people here know my position on drugs (I love 'em), so skipping past the obvious issues of personal health...
It's a matter of personal choice and responsibility. I'm allowed to smoke, drink, and inject a number of other things into my body. So long as I'm not hurting anybody, piss off. There has been a sore lack of honesty when it comes to discussing most drugs, and the "war" has arguably done far more harm than good.

I also think it's a shame that usually the most compassionate response to drug abusers and addicts - people who have truly gotten ****ed up and need help - is to throw them in prison.

Torture: ==

I'm against it as a systematic practice. Unfortunately, I do sometimes see it as a necessary evil, even if it is useless for intelligence gathering most of the time.

It should not be employed frivolously. Torturing the uncharged or the merely suspected is unacceptable. But if it comes down between a number of innocent lives and the comfort of a known criminal, I won't lose any sleep if he gets his sac shocked.

 

[Atomic_Piggy]

Another one you are missing is same-sex marriage and adoption imo:#

I support both. I will also support same-sex reproduction when this is possible (see female sperm and male egg).

 

[Tagaziel]

Capital Punishment: **** NO

Cruel, unusual and unnecessary.

Not to mention it doesn't have any benefits, and the appeals clog judicial systems.

Gun Control: OH **** YES

Guns + Civilians = Dangerous liability

Though America seems to have forgot the context of the "arm bears" amendment.

Global Warming: PLEASE DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT

It is a fact, and our human deeds amplify the effect.

Socialized Health Care: UH, NO?

A nice idea destined to fail. It needs to be mixed with private insurances.

Religion in Schools: **** NO

Go away.

War on Drugs: UH WUT?

Not really effective (legalizing soft drugs would be detrimental to the drug industry, but that would inlude passing legislation that wouldn't sit well with tobacco industry big wigs)

Torture: **** NO

Any human being should be objected to this.

Same sex marriages & adoption: YES

The first would lower the strain on the administration and kick the fundies in the teeth. The second would lower the amount of kids in orphanages.

 

[Ravioli]

Capitol Punishment: +

As previously mentioned, inhumane. We have reached a point were the punishment doesnt fit the crime. Justice without her blindfold is vengance, you are suppose to punish without your emotions guiding your thoughts. Make the punishment fit the crime.

Gun Control: -

Guns should not be legal to the normal public, everyone can basically get a gun and use it for whatever, its crazy. 90% of the school shootings wouldnt have occured probably. I would feel a lot safer knowing that no one has the ability to draw a gun on me at any time.

Global Warming: -

Why are we still arguing if it is happening or not? Its a fact, and we have to do something but obviously we are not doing enough.

Socialized Health Care: +

Dont know much about this, so i cant comment

Religion in Schools: -

Bullshit shalt not be tought in thy schools. Actually, i think religion should be vanquished from the face of earth.

War on Drugs: -

I believe that anyone has the right to take any drug if he/she wants to. However, i think that SOME drugs should be illigal, specificly those that may cause the person using it to inflict harm to others. I dont give a shit if the person taking the drug gets harmed...his god damned choice and fault. I do care about other people tho. For example, Marijuana should be legal, never killed anyone ever in history. LSD? Hm..probably illigal, because it can make you pretty ****ing crazy. XTC? Legal, does no harm at all exept for dehydration...just drink water and u will be fine.

Torture: =

Awfull, what if the person actually is innocent? Inhumane

 

[Atomic_Piggy]

Socialized Health Care: UH, NO?

A nice idea destined to fail. It needs to be mixed with private insurances.

Yeah, which is why countries with socialised health care systems have higher life expectancies.

 

[Tagaziel]

Yeah, which is why countries with socialised health care systems have higher life expectancies.

Those that have a primarily government-funded medical care system start failing, though. Just look what is happening in Germany.

 

[Kyorisu]

It's funny how many people are brainwashed into the global warming is real/fake camp. Do your own research (the data is freely available) and come to your own damn conclusion.

Capital Punishment:

You take a life we takes yours.

Gun Control:

Sure you can have a firearm as long as you have an appropriate license and it isn't an automatic.

Socialized Health Care:

Do eeeeeet.

Religion in Schools:

Heh keep it in your place of worship.

War on Drugs:

Legalise non lethal substances and rake in the monies on taxes. On the other hand, people kill themselves that's not my problem as long as they don't hurt anyone else in the process.

Torture:

Stupid.

 

[Irksome]

Capitol Punishment: -
An ancient human punishment that has no place in modern society.

Gun Control: =
I have the right to own a weapon. However I shouldn't be allowed to own them anonymously or be able to purchase grenades, and other military grade hardware.

On Global Warming: +
The evidence is compelling, and considering most of the anti-climate changers are either spokesmen for oil and car companies, or American right-wing commentators, I think the issue is pretty much over in terms of serious debate.

Religion in Schools: -
Keep your God to yourself.

War on Drugs: -
Idiotic waste of money, time, and effort. I personally find drug use to be an abhorrent waste of money and time also, but legalizing minor drugs like marijuana is no skin off my nose. Oh and tax it too.

Torture: -
We don't live in the world of Jack Bauer, and to justify an act as evil as torture by sheer macho bravado is cause enough for serious concern.

 

[Atomic_Piggy]

Those that have a primarily government-funded medical care system start failing, though. Just look what is happening in Germany.

Not really :\ Germany may be having problems, but things are reasonably fine here, the only problem we have is overpopulation which is putting some strain on the system. But apart from that, its not failing. The UK one was the first national insurance, I think it was the 1940s, and ours hasn't collapsed yet.

 

[Tagaziel]

Not really :\ Germany may be having problems, but things are reasonably fine here, the only problem we have is overpopulation which is putting some strain on the system. But apart from that, its not failing. The UK one was the first national insurance, I think it was the 1940s, and ours hasn't collapsed yet.

I guess rioting doctors there and here are nonexistent then?

 

[Mr Stabby]

Not really :\ Germany may be having problems, but things are reasonably fine here, the only problem we have is overpopulation which is putting some strain on the system. But apart from that, its not failing. The UK one was the first national insurance, I think it was the 1940s, and ours hasn't collapsed yet.

The NHS is a mess, just like most things the government touches. It works in France though.

 

[Tagaziel]

Slovakia has introduced a great system, in which you pay for a visit on each occassion. It's a small fee (about one, two euro). It actually healed their system.

 

[Atomic_Piggy]

The NHS is a mess, just like most things the government touches. It works in France though.

Yes, but that is nothing to do with flaws in the idea of socialist health care, just a retarded government. The NHS does work however, even if not as well as it could.

 

[Mr Stabby]

Yes, but that is nothing to do with flaws in the idea of socialist health care, just a retarded government. The NHS does work however, even if not as well as it could.

The government is the problem with socialized health care, socialization means it is run by the government not the market. The NHS is plagued with problems.

 

[Beerdude26]

The NHS is a mess, just like most things the government touches. It works in France though.

Works in Belgium aswell, luckily, because that's one of the sole things that do work in Belgium from a political point of view

 

[repiV]

It works in France because the service is only funded by the government - the actual provision of service is left to private companies, and the patients have the same freedom of choice they would in a fully privatised system.
My experience of the NHS is that the emergency treatment is great but everything else is shit. The hospitals in NW London and south Hertfordshire are just varying degrees of awful, so I dread to think what the hospitals in less prosperous areas of the country are like.

 

[Atomic_Piggy]

The hospital here is fine. I don't get all the who-haa about how it takes so long - when they thought my mum had cancer they instantly got her checked out (she didn't) and when my grandad needed a hip replacement the operation took place in two days.

 

[repiV]

The hospital here is fine. I don't get all the who-haa about how it takes so long - when they thought my mum had cancer they instantly got her checked out (she didn't) and when my grandad needed a hip replacement the operation took place in two days.

It depends how urgent they consider the situation to be. If it's not life-threatening, you can often expect to wait for a long time.
My mum has a brain tumour, and she was taken to hospital several months ago after a seizure. The nurses in A+E told her she needed to give a urine sample, and while she was away from her bed, they gave it to someone else and made her wait in a chair when she came back. WTF is that all about? That's only one of many similar examples I could give, too. I'm sorry to say, but it's usually the nurses they bring over from third world countries that don't have a ****ing clue how to do their job or how to treat people. They often treat my mum like a child or ignore her because she has difficulty speaking.

I have to wait a year at a time for a 15 minute appointment with my consultant for my epilepsy, and I'm lucky even to get that - most people with epilepsy get their condition managed by the GP. It's only because I had such a severe case that I get the "luxury" of a specialist. I had to go through a series of drugs with horrific side effects which ruined my life and my education, which they prescribe solely because they're old and cheap, for years before they finally managed to sort it out (with expensive, modern drugs).

When I smashed my leg up, the response was excellent - I got two ambulances, an emergency doctor, the fire brigade and the police in attendance, couldn't say how long it took because time really has a different meaning in such circumstances but it was certainly under 10 minutes. The treatment in A+E (I got basically the attention of the entire department) and the surgery was all fine, but after that they don't give a shit.
I had three fifteen minute physiotherapy sessions when I was in hospital - how to use crutches, walking about a bit using crutches, and how to use crutches on stairs. They discharged me far too early, to a disabled family who are unable to look after me, and I fell over the first night I came home. Had to call the ambulance to come pick me up.
They didn't even teach me how to do stuff like have a shower, I had to figure that out myself (not easy when crutches slip on wet floors). I've not received any physiotherapy since, my left leg is now about half the size of my right one and I'm given no help on the practical aspects of managing my life, they don't involve me in the process at all. They're determined to keep the external fixator in my leg even though because of it I can't go out to work, or ride my bike (which I need to do to get to work), these things just aren't taken into consideration at all.
I want them to insert a nail through the length of the bone instead, it would have the same function and give the same level of support but they won't do it until they have to because there'sa 4% risk of infection.
That should be MY choice if I want to take that risk, not theirs to put my entire life on hold for a year or more.

I'm not particularly impressed by the NHS, I have to say - especially not by the often clueless and patronising nurses who quite often barely speak English. And it's drowning in bureaucracy.

 

[Ennui]

Capitol Punishment: --

I find it questionable on a moral level. Should civilized societies be meting out punishments based on revenge? Although I do understand the support for execution of convicts in some cases where the crime is beyond heinous.

Practically, I see it as an ineffective deterrent, too expensive, and currently carries too great a risk of wrongfully killing innocents. I think that's unacceptable. So all in all I'm against it, but my stance could switch over if changes were made to make the system more reliable.

Gun Control: ==

Don't know enough about it, or perhaps haven't faced a greatly convincing argument either way. I'm not against responsible citizens owning or carrying firearms, but I do question how necessary it is.

Global Warming: ++

It's real and we contribute to it. The scientific community is in almost unanimous agreement that it exists and many of the more outspoken voices against it seem to have ulterior motives. Most of the skeptics have had to repeatedly double back on themselves as evidence has grown more compelling. First global warming didn't exist. Then it did exist, but it was negligible. Now it's real and could actually pose a credible threat in the future, but humans aren't responsible. Such constant revisions are surely the signs of a movement of dubious integrity.

Socialized Health Care: ++

Do it. This should be a priority of every modern, civilized country. Everybody deserves decent healthcare and it should not be left up to how much money you have. That the United States has not yet adopted such a system is an absolute embarrassment.

Religion in Schools: --

Get it out. No education system should promote or instruct their students in religious beliefs. If you want your children to get religious instruction, do it outside of school on your own time. You can also throw out the creationist garbage as well.

I'm no fan of private religious schools either. Should we really be making allowances for stupid bullshit to be ingrained into kids' heads? Of course, it's not like everybody who goes to one turns into a fundy. And where do we draw the line on what a parent can or can't have his or children learn?

I can tolerate the existence of private religious schools. At the same time, I'd be more than happy if they one day ceased to exist.

War on Drugs: --

Is there anybody who doesn't think this has been a colossal waste of time, money, and human life? I'm pretty sure most people here know my position on drugs (I love 'em), so skipping past the obvious issues of personal health...
It's a matter of personal choice and responsibility. I'm allowed to smoke, drink, and inject a number of other things into my body. So long as I'm not hurting anybody, piss off. There has been a sore lack of honesty when it comes to discussing most drugs, and the "war" has arguably done far more harm than good.

I also think it's a shame that usually the most compassionate response to drug abusers and addicts - people who have truly gotten ****ed up and need help - is to throw them in prison.

Torture: ==

I'm against it as a systematic practice. Unfortunately, I do sometimes see it as a necessary evil, even if it is useless for intelligence gathering most of the time.

It should not be employed frivolously. Torturing the uncharged or the merely suspected is unacceptable. But if it comes down between a number of innocent lives and the comfort of a known criminal, I won't lose any sleep if he gets his sac shocked.

Quoted for Ennui, the only part where I disagree is that I'm slightly pro gun control

 

[Steven]

Capitol Punishment:

How silly.

Gun Control:

Yes, I have witnessed too many overly aggressive moral-less people in my time, making guns more accessible to them would make things worse.

Global Warming:

Don't know shit about it. But if we can do things with less harm to the environment and with the same efficiency and everything, it's probably not a bad idea.

Socialized Health Care:

Less taxes so you can buy that fast car or health care for all?

Religion in Schools:

People deserve to be taught about religion, but constantly telling children that x religion is the greatest and always right is wrong.

War on Drugs:

Needs to be re thought, some drugs should be illegal and as hard to obtain as possible because users become aggressive and lose their inhibition but things like marijuana should have a be better educated to the public by the government rather than be made illegal so it's users are free from the chance of the drug being interlaced with other stuff and because having them illegal is a waste of money.

Torture:

Ok when we have evidence that someone knows something and lives will be saved if we acquire that information.

 

[Teta_Bonita]

Capitol Punishment: +
In my eye, the three main purposes of punishment by law are rehabilitation, justice, and most importantly crime deterrent.
Some people cannot be rehabilitated. Some crimes deserve the highest form of punishment. Death is almost universally feared, so naturally it makes a good crime deterrent. Three cheers for capitol punishment.

Gun Control: -
Sure, it’ll make it harder for a psycho to go on a killing spree, but it will also make it even harder for a law-abiding citizen to defend his home. Each side has its ups and downs, but personally I’d rather not make drastic changes to our beloved bill of rights here in America.

Global Warming: -
It’s real. It’s happening. It’s almost certainly not human caused. And there’s probably no way to stop it without ****ing up our environment in some other silly way.

Socialized Health Care: =
As long as it’s implemented well, I don’t care either way.

Religion in Schools: =
It should be up to the school. And it should be up to the parents whether or not they send their kids there.

War on Drugs: =
Legalize marijuana. Imprison the rest of the users for a good long time.

Torture: -
Surely there are better ways of getting information. How about some competent frickin police work for once, America?