Poll on Abortion

[GhostFox]

Please read this statement and then vote. Please don't unnecessicarily complicate it. Just vote and then we can discuss the results. This poll is purposefully constrictive, so please don't complain about it.

Here is a little survey.

A 22 year old woman is single, just starting her career which requires her to work 60 hours a week, and they pay isn't great yet. Going out with her friends is a big part of her life. She is a constantly busy woman between her personal and professional life.

She wants an abortion. The reasons are simple.

1)She does not have the time to raise a child. It would negatively impact her career too much.

2)She does not have a husband to help with the duties. It is too much responsibility on her own.

3)She cannot afford it. Children are expensive, and there is no way she can maintain her lifestyle with a child.

4) It would ruin her social life. Instead of going out with her friends a few times a week, she would be stuck at home with her kid.

5) Age. She feels she is just too young for kids right now. Later on in life when she is in a better place, she wouldn't mind them. She loves kids, just not right now.



Pretty reasonable reasons, right? So who here would be OK with her getting an abortion on those grounds, and who would be against it?

 

[The Mullinator]

Yes depending on how long she has been pregnant. If she waits too long then in my opinion that baby is now an actual human being and should be treated as such.

If its still within the first few months then I view that baby to be nothing closer to a human being than several thousand of my skin cells which I scratch and kill every day.

 

[ComradeBadger]

Agreed with the man with the Mullet.

 

[Zorrander001]

But the potential for a human life is there. In killing the developing fetus, you kill that persons ability to live.

If she doesn't wan't the child, she can always put it up for adoption. Why is killing it the more favourable option when it can still live a happy and productive life without imposing on her own?

 

[GhostFox]

Please vote if you are going to enter the discussion.

 

[Zorrander001]

nah....

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

In my opinion, it's never truly justified.

But LEGALLY, my opinion is that it should be allowed in cases of rape or mother's health only.

Otherwise, adoption.

 

[PickledGecko]

Yes. Her body, her decision.

 

[qckbeam]

Personally, I find those reasons to be pretty pathetic. Why have sex in the first place if you knew you weren't ready for the possible repercussions? I'm not against abortion right down the line, not at all, but to say "Well I won't be able to party with my friends anymore because I got myself knocked up" or "I won't be able to buy my expensive shoes" or "I won't get that promotion I wanted", those are not worthy reasons for aborting a pregnancy in my opinion. If you’ve been raped, if there are going to be complications with the birth that could affect the mother, child or both, if you’re a 13 year old girl who just happened to make a huge mistake, those are reasons I could understand.

 

[The Monkey]

It should always be allowed, any time, any place. It's the woman's right to decide over her own body. The question is when does the baby "come alive"? In my opinion, it's alive on it's birth, no earlier.

If the US banned abortion they would be no better than countries like Iran and Saudi Arabia.

 

[The Mullinator]

But the potential for a human life is there. In killing the developing fetus, you kill that persons ability to live.

If she doesn't wan't the child, she can always put it up for adoption. Why is killing it the more favourable option when it can still live a happy and productive life without imposing on her own?

With modern technology the potential for one of my skin-cells to be used in growing a child is there. There is nothing sacred about a womans egg cell and a mans sperm cell from meeting and starting to replicate. Same way there is nothing sacred about one of my skin cells replicating or having it used in a cloning process to create a full blown child.

 

[Zeus]

I say yes, I think it should be legalilized instead of a president making his religious beliefs our laws.

But the potential for a human life is there. In killing the developing fetus, you kill that persons ability to live.

If she doesn't wan't the child, she can always put it up for adoption. Why is killing it the more favourable option when it can still live a happy and productive life without imposing on her own?

Then the child would feel worthless because he/she would know their parent didn't want them, which could lead to severe depression.

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

It should always be allowed, any time, any place. It's the woman's right to decide over her own body. The question is when does the baby "come alive"? In my opinion, it's alive on it's birth, no earlier.

If the US banned abortion they would be no better than countries like Iran and Saudi Arabia.

You'd support an abortion at 8 months?

If you honestly think that banning abortion would put the US on the same level as those nations, you need to learn more about the state of human rights outside of the west.

People against abortion aren't doing it with regard to taking away anything of a woman's right- they do it to protect the baby. It's alive at conception.

 

[The Monkey]

You'd support an abortion at 8 months?

If you honestly think that banning abortion would put the US on the same level as those nations, you need to learn more about the state of human rights outside of the west.

People against abortion aren't doing it with regard to taking away anything of a woman's right- they do it to protect the baby. It's alive at conception.

It's really a tough case whether a 8-month old is alive or not, and I don't think there's a real answer, put yes, I do support it, since at this stage the woman's life is more important than the unborn's life.

And when I said they you would be as bad as those country I only meant abortion, when it comes to other civil rights you exceed them by far.

I understand that, and I'm not saying that I'm right and you're wrong, but that's my opinion, and we're born on different continents, and we've grown up in different cultures, so we're bound to have different opinions.

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

It's really a tough case whether a 8-month old is alive or not, and I don't think there's a real answer, put yes, I do support it, since at this stage the woman's life is more important than the unborn's life.

And when I said they you would be as bad as those country I only meant abortion, when it comes to other civil rights you exceed them by far.

I understand that, and I'm not saying that I'm right and you're wrong, but that's my opinion, and we're born on different continents, and we've grown up in different cultures, so we're bound to have different opinions.

I think abortion should be legal in cases of the mother's health or rape.

I mean 8 month abortion, and apply it to this scenario. Even if you support abortion, there has got to be SOME line drawn somewhere.

 

[ComradeBadger]

I support it up to a 3 weeks of pregnancy.

 

[Absinthe]

I voted yes.

 

[Razor]

No, she made her bed, now she has to lie in it, if she doesn't want to be a mother, she should give it up for adoption to a family that will love the baby more then life itself.

 

[Calanen]

Legally permissible yes. Justified, on an ethical or other moral basis, in my view, no.

 

[GhostFox]

With 21 votes in, 2/3 (or 14) of the voters voted Yes that it is justified in this instance.

Now, just to get a new persepctive on it, I am going to add one more thing that I left out in the first post. All of the woman's reasons are the same. The only thing I failed to mention is that the child in question whom she wants "aborted" turned 1 yesterday. So for those of you who voted Yes, please explain if you would now change your answer, and your reasons for your decision.

 

[el Chi]

She's gone through the pregnancy and the birth and the first year of the child's life. At that point, the option of adoption is far easier than if she was two months pregnant with seven more months of an unwanted pregnancy - and all the changes and complications that entails - still ahead of her.


EDIT: Just out of interest - how many people who voted were girls?

 

[falconwind]

I think that abortion is an option that needs to be available to women, but i also think that it should require outstanding circumstances, such as rape etc.

In this case, I think that abortion isn't justified, at least not for the reasons stated.

No Time: Have a relative babysit and MAKE time for your child. Skip that lunch with your girlfriends. Get a different career!
No Husband: So? Guess what, there are tons of single parents out there. Deal with it.
No Money: This, sadly, is the most compelling reason. You can't raise a child well without money. BUT it sounds like she wants to live the high-life. If you have a child you have to make sacrifices, monetary and social.
No Social Life: Are you kidding? Any friend worth having will understand your need to stay home. Or, why don't you bring your child with you? Or have your friend come to your house?
No Experience: Cry me a river. There's a first time for all parents. And chances are there's another woman much younger than you and with twins. Feel inadequate? Ask for help. Read some books. Call you mom!

Basically, this "mother" is being incredibly selfish. The reality of it is that parenthood takes time, money, effort, and sacrifice. That is the nature of the beast. Period. She has to realise that her priorities have to shift, and she has to change her life for the life of her child. The child has be at the forefront of her life. That's the way it works.

And if she really can't handle it, there's something called adoption.

And, let us not forget, those cute little latex tubes they sell at pharmacies and convenience stores. What are they? Everybody say it together, CONDOMS! Or Spermicide. Or even better, Birth Control Pills. A gram of prevention is worth a kilogram of cure. You're laziness or thriftiness just cost you a whole lot of grief.

And if she's Catholic and can't use contraception, well baby, you just better talk to the hand, 'cause the man don't wanna hear it no more. Of course, then why the hell are you banging outside of marriage, hmm?

 

[gh0st]

No, she made her bed, now she has to lie in it, if she doesn't want to be a mother, she should give it up for adoption to a family that will love the baby more then life itself.

My sentiments exactly.

 

[Hazar]

No, she made her bed, now she has to lie in it, if she doesn't want to be a mother, she should give it up for adoption to a family that will love the baby more then life itself.

agreed

 

[bliink]

EDIT: Just out of interest - how many people who voted were girls?

None that I can see.

 

[The Mullinator]

No, she made her bed, now she has to lie in it, if she doesn't want to be a mother, she should give it up for adoption to a family that will love the baby more then life itself.

Easy to say when you are a man and will never have to worry about something like this. I can personally say that if I had a choice of pushing something the size of a golf ball through my penis so I could give life to a child that will likely have a very rough life and who I will never see again, or having an abortion early on and avoiding that level of pain and worry I would always take the abortion.

 

[PoeticRocker]

If god gave us the ability to kill unborn babies then i say its ok.

 

[bvasgm]

It's alive at conception.

No..no it's not. At conception it's two cells...not a person. It should be considered a person at the point where if...uh...removed...it would be alive/conscious.

 

[gh0st]

None that I can see.

I'm a girl.

 

[redhollowpoint]

Please read this statement and then vote. Please don't unnecessicarily complicate it. Just vote and then we can discuss the results. This poll is purposefully constrictive, so please don't complain about it.

Here is a little survey.

A 22 year old woman is single, just starting her career which requires her to work 60 hours a week, and they pay isn't great yet. Going out with her friends is a big part of her life. She is a constantly busy woman between her personal and professional life.

She wants an abortion. The reasons are simple.

1)She does not have the time to raise a child. It would negatively impact her career too much.

2)She does not have a husband to help with the duties. It is too much responsibility on her own.

3)She cannot afford it. Children are expensive, and there is no way she can maintain her lifestyle with a child.

4) It would ruin her social life. Instead of going out with her friends a few times a week, she would be stuck at home with her kid.

5) Age. She feels she is just too young for kids right now. Later on in life when she is in a better place, she wouldn't mind them. She loves kids, just not right now.



Pretty reasonable reasons, right? So who here would be OK with her getting an abortion on those grounds, and who would be against it?

wait wait wait, who again got pregnant, the baby or the mother, is it the babies fault the mom got pregnant, is it the babies fault she got pregnant. Should a baby die for her dumb mistake, her 15 minutes of fun is going to kill a human being. THIS IS LUDACRIS, your acctually suggesting killing a human being is alright. She should have been more responsible realizing that she has 60 hours to work a week, and that she couldnt support a baby, instead of being the village bicycle she should have used serious protection, or abstained. Now even if she was on protection she should have known the risks, i mean obviously shes intellegent if shes got this really good job. Bottom line is she should take responsiblity of her actions, and learn to live with her mistake, she should make the baby pay with its life.

 

[PickledGecko]

Now, just to get a new persepctive on it, I am going to add one more thing that I left out in the first post. All of the woman's reasons are the same. The only thing I failed to mention is that the child in question whom she wants "aborted" turned 1 yesterday. So for those of you who voted Yes, please explain if you would now change your answer, and your reasons for your decision.

Yes. Her body, her decision.

If its 1 year old, then its got nothing to do with her body anymore. Therefore I would say no.

 

[AzzMan]

How about this, all women who would get an abortion, should instead have the fetus taken out of them and implanted in the body of one of those against abortion, so they can have it instead. No unwanted pregnancy, and no "life" is terminated. Everyone's happy

 

[gh0st]

How about this, all women who would get an abortion, should instead have the fetus taken out of them and implanted in the body of one of those against abortion, so they can have it instead. No unwanted pregnancy, and no "life" is terminated. Everyone's happy

Making people who are against it pay isnt fair. Lets shrug our consequences off onto somebody else, its the liberal way!

 

[redhollowpoint]

Easy to say when you are a man and will never have to worry about something like this. I can personally say that if I had a choice of pushing something the size of a golf ball through my penis so I could give life to a child that will likely have a very rough life and who I will never see again, or having an abortion early on and avoiding that level of pain and worry I would always take the abortion.

yeah take the easy route seems to be the motto theses days, i bet you would also take a bribe and allow some one to die. oh wait thats what abortion basically is!

 

[AzzMan]

Making people who are against it pay isnt fair. Lets shrug our consequences off onto somebody else, its the liberal way!

Oh well it's legal and here to stay. Deal with it.

 

[gh0st]

Oh well it's legal and here to stay. Deal with it.

Lots of unjust things happen, doesnt mean I have to deal with it. But if I was a submissive wank like most people, the world would be a worse place.

 

[qckbeam]

How about this, all women who would get an abortion, should instead have the fetus taken out of them and implanted in the body of one of those against abortion, so they can have it instead. No unwanted pregnancy, and no "life" is terminated. Everyone's happy

So let’s say you have a woman who's against abortion and therefore abstains from having sex. Your "solution" to the problem is having that woman carry, deliver and possibly raise the child for the original mother? Let's just say the mother happens to be the hypothetical one created for this thread, the one that had a one-night stand sort of deal and doesn't want the baby because it'll hurt her social life. She should just dump the consequences of her actions in someone else’s lap? Someone who happens to abstain from sex to avoid having to go through this very situation herself? Perhaps I’m missing something, but that doesn’t seem fair at all. No one is saying it's easy to raise a child; all we're saying is, if you don't want to have kids, practice some goddamn self-control or be prepared to deal with the consequences of your actions.

 

[gh0st]

all we're saying is, if you don't want to have kids, practice some goddamn self-control or be prepared to deal with the consequences of your actions.

My god the words were stolen from my mind.

NOES BUTT ITS HUR BOODY LOL

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

How about this, all women who would get an abortion, should instead have the fetus taken out of them and implanted in the body of one of those against abortion, so they can have it instead. No unwanted pregnancy, and no "life" is terminated. Everyone's happy

I know you were trying to punish people who are against abortion, but there are plenty of mothers who can't conceive, etc, who if this procedure worked would be pretty great. Maybe someday this'll outdo abortion, THAT WOULD be great.

 

[johnmedz]

wow... the results of this poll makes me very happy. im so happy to see so much pro-choice people here. And dont get confused, some people claim to be "pro-life" when we all know that they are just anti-choice.