Pro-Life or Pro-Choice?

Pro-Life or Pro-Choice, and why?

  • Pro-Life: Religious convictions

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Pro-Life: Life begins at conception

    Votes: 10 14.7%

  • Pro-Choice: The mother should decide what happens to the fetus

    Votes: 32 47.1%

  • Pro-Choice: Life does not begin at conception (science or otherwise)

    Votes: 26 38.2%
  • Total voters
    68
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Since we seem to be having a debate now in the OT section, I figured it's high time for another abortion debate.

So, where do you fall, and why? Are you pro-life because of religious convictions, or because you believe life begins at conception? Are you pro-choice because you feel the mother can/should decide the fetus' fate, or because science explains why life does not begin at conception?

Poll is forthcoming.
 
Up to the individual... cop-out answer, I know, but you can't impose my will on everyone. I'm undecided, anyway.
 
Both of the pro-choice options, but if I had to weigh one more heavily, it would be that life doesn't begin at conception.

Also, don't watch "Pro-Life" by John Carpenter. It's a shit film with a totally unnecessary and dragged put genital mutilation scene and not even Ron Perlman can save it.
 
You don't see it. But any dude who cares about his package will tenderly place one hand over his groin in solemn remembrance of the man who gets a hole carved into his nether regions and has his blood and guts pumped out through it.

It's just not fun.
 
"pro-life" = anti-choice. Removal of the freedom to choose is a Bad Thing.
 
"I'm anti-abortion but for killing babies" - Maddox
 
Pro-choice in the sense that a fetus doesn't have any more consciousness than a sea slug until a point significantly far into the pregnancy. I don't support late-pregnancy abortion, but prior to that point (I can't remember what it is) the baby might as well be an extra organ of the mother's for her to do with as she wishes. Once you get into potential for life, you might as well just stop arguing.
 
Pro-life, probably due to the fact that I want to see teenage mothers suffer through all eternity.









No, I'm joking. :p

Pro-choice. The mother should decide what happens to the fetus, and it cuts crime rates (since most unwanted babies can contribute to crime due to generally lower education levels), although the labor pool may get smaller.
 
15357 said:
Pro-choice. The mother should decide what happens to the fetus, and it cuts crime rates (since most unwanted babies can contribute to crime due to generally lower education levels), although the labor pool may get smaller.
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Practical Numbers for ya. You should get your own morning show of disturbed home-grown wisdom. :|
 
Absinthe said:
Practical Numbers for ya. You should get your own morning show of disturbed home-grown wisdom. :|
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Well, I could have just said: "It's ethical to have freedom of choice!"


But then I'd be a hypocrite.



I think I should be on FOX news. :p
 
A combination of "The mother should decide what happens to the fetus" and "Life does not begin at conception".
 
Morally, I'm pro-life (in most cases). Politically I'm pro-choice.
 
pro-lifers are deluded and selfish ..as if they care one bit about the child's quality of life after birth or the well being of the parents involved ..but what the hell do they care? it's not like they have to live with the decision ..all they know is that their idiotic god tells them it's wrong ...like blind and complacent sheep they are
 
Regardless of one's convictions, religious or otherwise, abortion is not something that should be legislated. If the anti-abortion people don't want their children to have abortions when they get knocked up and can't afford to support it, that's their choice to impose their beliefs on their children. Aside from that, what a woman does with her body SHOULD NOT be subject to legislation.

Not to deride the thread, but the same thing could be said of gay marriage. Making legislation specifically to take away rights from a certain group of tax paying, law abiding US citizens is ridiculous, not to mention a colossal waste of time and taxpayers' money.
 
Both. I personally think that abortion is a horrible thing and should only be considered in the most dire of circumstances but I also think that if a mother (And father) really want an abortion that it should be given.
 
IMO life begins when the heart starts to beat, but I don't think it is a seperate life at that point, more that it belongs to the mother. Therefore, its up to the mother what they do. I know I'd rather be aborted and know nothing about it than grow up with a parent who was forced into having me!
 
riomhaire said:
Both. I personally think that abortion is a horrible thing and should only be considered in the most dire of circumstances but I also think that if a mother (And father) really want an abortion that it should be given.
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i agree. Its a very hard moral thing. An aborted baby won't be able to experiance all the awesome things of life (alcohol, sex, knowledge, etc.) but on the other hand it would be taking the mothers (and fathers) choice away other wise.
 
The third option truely baffles me, I mean it's not legal for a mother to killer her own child after it's out, why before?
 
Pro-lifers often argue that when a criminal kills a pregnant womans he is charged for 2 murders. Then they say why is it not considered murder when done by the mother.
I think it is an interesting argument. I personally wouldn't charge the criminal for 2 murders but I would want a bigger sentence, since I consider killing a preggo more heinous and vicious then a non preggo, just like killing an innocent schoolchild compared to an adult.
Still it's an interesting point.
 
As I previously stated, I'm morally against it EXCEPT in the case of a rape pregnancy. If some teenager was stupid enough to have unprotected sex (waits for somebody to bring up a broken condom) and get pregnant she (and the father) should be responsible and raise the child. Politically, however, I'm for it becuase even if it were illegal people would still have it done by basement surgeons who use Jim Beam to sterilze their kitchen knives. I'd much rather see people have it done safely in abortion clinics.
 
did you know 1 out of every 100 condoms will break. But condoms have a about a ~87% success rate in preventing pregnancy, since they are used incorrectly.
 
I love the ol' "its wrong EXCEPT in cases of rape" argument.

So what exactly is your reasoning behind why it is wrong, then, may I ask?

Do you believe its murder? If so, then with that logic shouldn't it be banned even in the case of rape?

Do you argue against it because of religious reasons? If so, then again it should be banned in the case of rape too. (God didn't say thou shalt not murder except if the life was conceived from rape).

Ultimately, the argument of "its wrong except in cases of rape" is so close-minded that its ridiculous.
 
I think the reasoning behind abortion in cases of rape is that it's an unwanted child.

Which begs the question, aren't all abortions due to the child being unwanted? Why is abortion only murder in cases of consensual sex?
 
Stigmata said:
I think the reasoning behind abortion in cases of rape is that it's an unwanted child.

Which begs the question, aren't all abortions due to the child being unwanted? Why is abortion only murder in cases of consensual sex?
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Exactly my reasoning. The ones who say "its wrong except in rape" are using double standards. In one hand they have their reason for why they believe its wrong, but then they make an exception to that reason because of how horrible the case of rape is.

Sorry but if its murder, then its still murder even if it was conceived from rape. You can't just make up the rules to fit different scenarios.
 
Even though im pretty liberal on most things in politics I would have to say Pro-Life. I just dont think that abortion should be a option for pregnant women, Except in the case of a the woman being in danger. If you agree with me or not I dont care, Thats my opinion.
 
Nice.

Don't come into debate threads if you're unwilling to debate.

[edit] Also, it's probably good for you to be able to change your opinions on things. Say you love apples, and your opinion is that apples are great, and that eating ten a day keeps you healthy. Suddenly, it's found that eating ten apples a day gives you cancer. It'd probably a good idea to rethink your opinion on eating ten apples a day, no?

Now go on and explain why your opinion about this particular subject shouldn't be up for debate or change.
 
Because he is an anonymous forum poster, and therefore god.

Although i am an anonymous forum poster too...

Anyway, the mother should have the supreme choice. It's her kid. If she doesn't have motherly feelings for the fetus, well, up to her. If the kid's already born though, nuts to her feelings, you take care of the little kid. Or get him/her to someone who can.
 
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