prolly be a good game but valve is too greedy...

[Mr. Redundant]

what is wrong with wanting money for something you worked hard on to create?

if you earn it you deserve it, at least that is my opinion.

 

[iamaelephant]

I support people who put so much time and effert into pleasing us. They need to eat and live also.

Yeah I'm sure Gabe really struggles to eat.

 

[wonkers]

That is correct. People need to stop complaining about games being to much money. It really pisses me off, i loss all respect for people like that. If you cant afford to buy games stop making excuses and complaints about it, manage your money better or get a job. In my opinion games cost to little exspecialy the very good ones. Im happy to pay my 80$ for retail ce hl2. and upgrade to silver from my ati voucher and buy the book. I support people who put so much time and effert into pleasing us. They need to eat and live also.

Eat and live in huge houses and drive sports cars because they slip tiny things past people to save millions? Like boxes/manuals/physical CD's DVD's/Shipping so they skim the extra cream off the top and feal they deserve more money than any other FPS maker in history? Because what? They're the best right now? A lot of games are the best when they come out. Doesn't mean they asked for more than a lot.

 

[Kel Thuzad]

I think valve is greedy in some aspects such as HL:Source. Charging money for a simple copy and paste into source that barely looks any different doesn't sound like a fair deal to me.

Valve I think, should give HL:source free to steam users as apology for the lies and delays we had to suffer through during HL2's development. Also DOD:source I think they are greedy in because I would like to play DOD:source if I own HL2 (so I could get it as a mod like with HL1)

WAKE UP !!!
Look at the amount of stuff you get for paying only 10 dollars more !!!
I d say they are very generous in this, definitely not the opposite.

 

[PlagueX]

You mean we're paying them so we can use our own bandwidth (which we pay for) to download a game, minus the cost of stamping, boxing, manuals (yeah right), CD cases, annoying registration papers, shipping & handling, and retailing? Don't get me wrong, I'm not pissed at Valve about this, because they are obviously under contract to sell the game at this price, but if they weren't under contract I most certainly wouldn't be content with the "priviledge" of paying for bandwidth just so I can download a game which I paid full price for. Get my drift?

No he means paying for the MUCH larger amount of money it costs valve to have the bandwidth to provide us (Tah 1 w1th da ch3ap conn3ti0ns) with hl2 without crashing and not working.
Belive or not. That kind of bandwidth is NOT cheap.

 

[The Mullinator]

That is correct. People need to stop complaining about games being to much money. It really pisses me off, i loss all respect for people like that. If you cant afford to buy games stop making excuses and complaints about it, manage your money better or get a job. In my opinion games cost to little exspecialy the very good ones. Im happy to pay my 80$ for retail ce hl2. and upgrade to silver from my ati voucher and buy the book. I support people who put so much time and effert into pleasing us. They need to eat and live also.

As prices go games are basically the cheapest form of commercial software you can get for the amount of work that needs to be put into developing them.

I mean does Adobe really need to charge $650 US for photoshop?

 

[Dougy]

The people bitching do realise that

A. CD's manuals etc.. are not produced nor paid for by valve in any way.

B. They have to take on the burden of hosting steam and the massive amount of space it needs.

C. A Proffesional gaming company sure as hell knows more about marketing their own game than some twat sitting at his computer thinking he could be Bill Gates if people just listened to his "great" ideas.

 

[Asuka]

Eat and live in huge houses and drive sports cars because they slip tiny things past people to save millions? Like boxes/manuals/physical CD's DVD's/Shipping so they skim the extra cream off the top and feal they deserve more money than any other FPS maker in history? Because what? They're the best right now? A lot of games are the best when they come out. Doesn't mean they asked for more than a lot.

They earned the money to be rich simple as that. What have you done in life? They made a game people have waited 6 years to play and will continue to make games just as good. Same goes for other game developers, directors, movies.

The people bitching do realise that

A. CD's manuals etc.. are not produced nor paid for by valve in any way.

B. They have to take on the burden of hosting steam and the massive amount of space it needs.

C. A Proffesional gaming company sure as hell knows more about marketing their own game than some twat sitting at his computer thinking he could be Bill Gates if people just listened to his "great" ideas.

Agreed 100%

 

[Swift]

Why should you bastards have to pay less for the same game when I have to drive and get it????

you damned techno geeks... "I want everything to cost less for me because I don't wanna get my fat ass outta my computer chair"

We're both paying for the same content, therefore we must pay the same amount.

 

[silverstealth89]

if u make a blockbuster game, u get rich...period. Seem like if you give ppl less, you should charge less. When you don't get The CD's etc(and they don't have to be manufactured and shipped) you should pay less. the only reason we are paying the same is to give valve even more money. if thats the way they want to be fine, but at least they could do is admit thats whats going on. Now no manual? okay thats a little more profit for them. Whats next? we gonna get memorex cd's with hl2 marked on them with a sharpie? Whats with the greedy.george bush.neocon attitude? am i missing something?

thats only half true. hey for all we know they might take all the money they made and use it for HL3. i think vivendi is the greedy one

 

[Kirkburn]

Why should you bastards have to pay less for the same game when I have to drive and get it????

you damned techno geeks... "I want everything to cost less for me because I don't wanna get my fat ass outta my computer chair"

We're both paying for the same content, therefore we must pay the same amount.

Erm, boxes, CDs, etc ...
What planet are you on, Swift?

 

[DrunkPanda]

i think they're both greedy but as long as valve comes out with fun games, i guess i don't really care how greedy they are anymore.

 

[Mikademius]

Holy crap. People who think 50$ is much for a game like this shouldn't be allowed to buy it. This is top notch whining for NOTHING!!

 

[Pi Mu Rho]

Well then shoudn't Valve give us a manual or extra stuff to compensate for the money they "HAVE" to charge us? It's like saying because we're allready drunk they have to screw us. That doesn't make sense at all.

They shouldn't have to do anything.

It's not like they have to take advantage of us. No box/Cd's.DVDs

If it was possible to distribute boxes or CDs electronically, they would be.

manual either retail or steam

That's just as likely to be Vivendi's decision as Valve's.

no way to get a discount on DOD retail.

Nothing has been announced about DoD retail aside from it's bundling with the Gold/Silver package.

It's all stacking up to sound not so cool. How hard is it to make a quality manual,

Not very, but you're automatically making the assumption that Valve did this just to piss you off. As I already stated, this is just as likely Vivendi's decision. If it was down to Valve, I don't find it credible that they did it just to save a bit of money or to screw their customers.

DVD format and give DOD & CSS for the collectors addition?

Assuming you're referring to the retail collector's edition, that's Vivendi's department.

I will have to pay like 45$ CA. just to get the same DOD that other people had the chance to get for a lot less?

You also had the chance to get it for a lot less. You chose not to.

I have a problem with it. Not to mention the holding of HL2 for the holiday season.

Wheeee! Blind speculation!

If they were producing the game right now I would know. So they hold the game until the last second just to make a quick buck on a game they delayed this long then shafted us on?

and some more!

Has the world gone tipsy turvey? Did hell take the overworld? Why does everyone else grab their ankles and say "MAY I have ANOTHER?"

Here's an idea - instead of constantly whining about it, DON'T BUY THE GAME

 

[darkmistx]

I have no objections to paying $50 for a quality game (which HL2 will be) but charging for mods which should be free pisses me off.

The modding community created these as a hobby so that people could enjoy them for free and now valve's buys out other peoples work and is charging us for the privilege of playing them.

If Valve really want to show thier apprectiation for the millions of people who are buying HL2 and making them super-rich they should release the mods as free downloads to veryone who bought the game.

 

[Mr. Redundant]

I have no objections to paying $50 for a quality game (which HL2 will be) but charging for mods which should be free pisses me off.

The modding community created these as a hobby so that people could enjoy them for free and now valve's buys out other peoples work and is charging us for the privilege of playing them.

If Valve really want to show thier apprectiation for the millions of people who are buying HL2 and making them super-rich they should release the mods as free downloads to veryone who bought the game.

remember that you are indeed getting HL2... the other stuff is pretty much thrown in for a measly 10 bucks extra.

they aren't charging for all mods, just the ones that they are reworking/redoing.

 

[Pi Mu Rho]

The mods are free downloads.
You're not paying for CS. You're not paying for DoD.

For the Source versions, you're paying for the work put into them by Valve after hiring the creators.

 

[wonkers]

Or I could choose to whine because it's a choice the consumer gets. It's not like you're taking the high road when you have to pick apart every sentance of someone who aparently has no idea what he's talking about.

I must have done something right or horribly wrong. My opinion still stands that Valve pointing the finger at Vivendi or Vivendi saying it's valves part is just them covering both their asses. So valve has to charge that much. Whoopee ok. Valve isn't responsible for what goes into the collectors adition? Wow so now VUG makes HL content to put in the boxes? 3 versions of retail that don't include DOD? So I should buy through steam(which has no physical properties, cost the same but gives me a discount on a game I want but know nothing about because they arn't telling us about it.)

What am I supposed to like about their damn buying schemes? Not much. Why should I use steam? I am a Canadian resident and would have to pay shipping on gold plus the damn exchange rate. Why buy the bronze when you can get the retail for cheaper in a store. Why buy Gold retail when it has less for the same price as steam? Why doesn't the normal retail come in CD/DVD format? Considering it's 6 CDs.

This whole thing is a god damn riggamarole about how much money I will shell out for convenience. How hard is it for them to put out a game in reasonable time and a fair price for the latest FPS. The ego of how amazing this game will be is extrodinary.

The latest and greatest is going to be tommorows old news.

 

[Zeus]

Yeah I'm sure Gabe really struggles to eat.

Lol it doesn't show a bit...

 

[Yombi]

If Valve really want to show thier apprectiation for the millions of people who are buying HL2 and making them super-rich they should release the mods as free downloads to veryone who bought the game.

You do know VALVe have dedicated people working for these mods right?

I do see why they want to charge for something. Would you work for one something and not expect some reward???

And, listen to Pi. :afro: :dork: :sniper: :monkee:

EDIT: as stated many times, VUG cannot bundle DOD with their packages because they do not own the publishing right to do this. Activision does.

 

[Pi Mu Rho]

Or I could choose to whine because it's a choice the consumer gets. It's not like you're taking the high road when you have to pick apart every sentance of someone who aparently has no idea what he's talking about.

There's a difference between complaining about something, and wildly speculating about the reasons behind things.

I must have done something right or horribly wrong. My opinion still stands that Valve pointing the finger at Vivendi or Vivendi saying it's valves part is just them covering both their asses. So valve has to charge that much. Whoopee ok.

Yes.

Valve isn't responsible for what goes into the collectors adition? Wow so now VUG makes HL content to put in the boxes? 3 versions of retail that don't include DOD?

Now you're just being silly. Obviously, Valve create the content. VU decide which content goes into the retail packages. It's not that hard to understand.

So I should buy through steam(which has no physical properties, cost the same but gives me a discount on a game I want but know nothing about because they arn't telling us about it.)

Then that's your choice. The fact that you actually have a choice is a good thing.

What am I supposed to like about their damn buying schemes? Not much. Why should I use steam? I am a Canadian resident and would have to pay shipping on gold plus the damn exchange rate. Why buy the bronze when you can get the retail for cheaper in a store. Why buy Gold retail when it has less for the same price as steam?

It's choice again. You don't have to do anything.

Why doesn't the normal retail come in CD/DVD format? Considering it's 6 CDs.

It does in Europe. Again, that's down to Vivendi.

 

[Alig]

if u make a blockbuster game, u get rich...period. Seem like if you give ppl less, you should charge less. When you don't get The CD's etc(and they don't have to be manufactured and shipped) you should pay less. the only reason we are paying the same is to give valve even more money. if thats the way they want to be fine, but at least they could do is admit thats whats going on. Now no manual? okay thats a little more profit for them. Whats next? we gonna get memorex cd's with hl2 marked on them with a sharpie? Whats with the greedy.george bush.neocon attitude? am i missing something?

You know the Steam servers Valve setup for this very reason have more bandwidth than the whole of Italy?. Your that stupid you think they pay for themselfs and just magically work and magically update and fix themselfs?

Do you think every £30 Valve recieve from a Steam purchase comes straight from Joe Bloggs bank account, accross the ocean and lands in Gabe Newells wallet?. Valve isn't some type of joey that does as their told by customers...its a business and at the end of the day all they give a shit about is money like every other billion companys out there. They just happen to have quality in mind at the same time and make money while making decent games.

(o/t)....Oh and yeah. I'm quite certain your mate has finished work by now unless hes working 24hr+ shifts...So...Where is this proof about him having HL2 and Valve talking a crock of shit?

 

[InnerDemon]

Alright, quick lesson:

Valve Business - Business needs profit to survive - production of game; very expensive - Need profit for company to survive.

Stop bitching, and just accept that Valve is a business like any other and needs an income to survive.

 

[Swift]

oh so I get some cardboard and a 15 cent CD? and i should pay twice as much as you? thats a giant steaming load of shit.

Im from the Planet Earth, get off Uranus buddy and start thinking about what you say.

 

[wonkers]

New point then. Since when does Valve need more income than any other FPS? Don't tell me it's the havok license because other games use it. Developement of Source? It still has shadowbugs! STILL. To me it seems they are asking too much.

Like it or lump it attitudes don't really make up for the shortcomings of a game. Yes I have a choice. Everyone has a choice but that doesn't change the morals of that said choice. I don't enjoy being funnled into buying catagories for no reason except to make a better buck.

To the un-critical it seems like a plathora of 'choice' but it's really cattle hearding. A marketing way to sqeeze a few more dollars out of your pocket. Each choice has a pro and a con to make you pick. My major beef (pun inteded) is that the cons of these systems are illogical and uncalled for.

Not that I will change anything by stating this but damnit doesn't this bother any of you? I guess it only bothers me. 14 days or so and the feed bag gets strapped on. No one cares. What ever.

 

[Ownzed]

Damn, people still complaining about the no manual...

 

[marksmanHL2 :)]

God damn stupidity....



Neway yeah. As Pi Mu Rho has stated. You can buy through retail.



The fact that steam is an option doesnt affect anything other than give you a choice. And isnt a choice better than no choice regardless of anything else....

 

[Sharrd]

As prices go games are basically the cheapest form of commercial software you can get for the amount of work that needs to be put into developing them.

I mean does Adobe really need to charge $650 US for photoshop?

They don't have Photoshop Online Multiplayer though, so they can't use the CD-key system. How many privates buy Photoshop? Not many. They only make money on companies buying it.

 

[The Mullinator]

They don't have Photoshop Online Multiplayer though, so they can't use the CD-key system. How many privates buy Photoshop? Not many. They only make money on companies buying it.

Not many people buy it because most people who use photoshop don't have the money to pay so they pirate it instead.

 

[Dougy]

many privates buy Photoshop? Not many.

Quite a lot actualy.

My work for instance buys a coppy for every office IIRC (british petroleum)
Every goverment or official political office has to buy them for every office.
Every semi serious buisness that is international.

You dont get very many skint photoshop devs.

 

[Alig]

New point then. Since when does Valve need more income than any other FPS? Don't tell me it's the havok license because other games use it. Developement of Source? It still has shadowbugs! STILL. To me it seems they are asking too much.

Since the average company making a FPS does'nt put $40million+ into a game.

 

[GuNzABlaZiN]

Yes, let's label Valve greedy because they want money for something that took them 6 years to make. Valve owes us HL2.

gj :thumbs:

 

[NB.]

next to nothings adds up after 4 or 8 million...

So does bandwidth....

 

[enque]

we gonna get memorex cd's with hl2 marked on them with a sharpie?

Even with foreign immigrants this would be more expensive than machine duplicated CD's.

 

[Tiddalick]

Since when has it been fact that it has cost them 40 million to make HL2?...
Gabe made a comment long ago about puting another 40 million in if it needed it, but that dosn't mean that it cost that much in the first place...

I SERIOUSLY doubt it cost anything close to that.
How much do they pay their programmers then? +600,000 US a year? Did the havok engine cost them 10,000,000? I think not.

As for the greed issue,
I would love for valve to comment on just who DECIDED what went into the packages.
Its simply stupid to claim that Vivendi is responsible for no manual and what went into the collectors. As I showed before, WOW which is also published by vivendi and released at the same time has a manual and the collectors has a billion things in it.
I doubt that vivendi would suddenly decide not to make a manual for HL2 without valve telling them so.

 

[Quelaar]

if u make a blockbuster game, u get rich...period. Seem like if you give ppl less, you should charge less. When you don't get The CD's etc(and they don't have to be manufactured and shipped) you should pay less. the only reason we are paying the same is to give valve even more money. if thats the way they want to be fine, but at least they could do is admit thats whats going on. Now no manual? okay thats a little more profit for them. Whats next? we gonna get memorex cd's with hl2 marked on them with a sharpie? Whats with the greedy.george bush.neocon attitude? am i missing something?

We shouldn't automatically point fingers at Valve. Valve already got flamed by Vivendi for allowing the game to be released for steam, imagine the lawsuits from Vivendi if Valve offered the game for even cheaper than retail.

Plus, driving down the price for a premium and industry revolutionizing game would set a precedent for the industry, and small but great game companies that barely make it would surely be whiped out. The expense of making new games is already filtering out lots of minor game companies: lowering the price of games would only leave big guns like EA.

Quelaar

 

[Alig]

Since when has it been fact that it has cost them 40 million to make HL2?...
Gabe made a comment long ago about puting another 40 million in if it needed it, but that dosn't mean that it cost that much in the first place...

I SERIOUSLY doubt it cost anything close to that.
How much do they pay their programmers then? +600,000 US a year? Did the havok engine cost them 10,000,000? I think not.

It must of been around that much if he says "another 40million *look up the meaning of another*"...

Lets say the game cost 10million to make...now why would he say "if it needed it i'll throw another 40million in" he'd most likely say "ill throw another 10million in".

 

[SenorDingDong]

Why does Valve need more money there other FPS companies?

Look at Steam. Do you know how much it costs to maintain servers, that can support hundreds of thousands if not millions of people, and a large number of people at one time preloading and downloading halflife 2, cs, DoD etc? An insanely high amount.... look at bandwidth and servers costs for hosting even small amounts then compare it to how much Valve would need. They have to pay millions just for the server costs and bandwidth alone...

 

[Cole]

First of all
There is no HL2 shadow bug, it's how they do shadows and it helps performance.
Hitman Series suffers from it
Guild Wars suffers from ti
A good amount of games do use somewhat of the same technique, to improve PERFORMANCE.

Valve has hundreds of thousands of people. Bandwidth costs a shitload. One game that goes into the gigs. This game alone might have added 10 million itself. That could also be even higher.
What is included in the retail is vivendi.
Valve cannot decrease there price because of vivendi.
What do you want more in there packages. HL2 itself is worth 60 bucks, yet they offer it for less plus Cs:S. Whatever your problem is, get over it. Valve cannot lower its prices whatever you say. And offering DoD:S in the regular package would most likly boost the cost of the package due to BANDWIDTH costs.

For all we know, you might be able to buy DoD:S alone in the future.

Valve hasn't lied to much. You have overput that. Give me when they lied, plus the dates, and proof. Everything has to be OFFICAL to. If they say "We are trying to get it out here..." That aint shit. When they say "It will be out on this date" then thats shit.

I can really only think of 2 times off the top of my head..

Also including "Gabe said Insane Multiplayer!!", no. Because he never promised when, only that someday there would be great HL2 multiplayer... If could come after the release, it could be done by the community. They might of had multiplayer then scrapped it.. So it did have great multiplayer, but then got scrapped.

Sooo HOW ARE YOU GOING TO RESPOND TO MY GAY POST. HUH, HUH!

 

[epoch-]

How is Valve greedy for charging the basic price that games are going for for their game that will be exponentially great?

I'd gladly pay $70 for JUST this game, no extras, and I work a minimum wage job with crappy hours and have lots of other expenses to worry about. Maybe you are just greedy or not a real fan of the game and everything it's doing. And get this BS about valve being a "george bush.neo-con" corperation out of here. If you wanna talk like that, go to China you hippy comunist.

It's ridiculous when you live in a country where Capitalism is one of the key properties or want a product from such a country and you whine about things costing to much. $50-79... Big freakin' deal.