Propegenda, isn't that a sign of facism?

[No Limit]

http://www.canofun.com/blog/videos/bushphotoopoct1305.wmv

Please right wingers, before you post watch the video.

This is another example of the white house propagenda machine, but this time they ****ed up big time. And afterwards the white house had the nerve to lie and say this wasn't staged.

How many of you voted for this guy again?

 

[CptStern]

oh is this the video of bush speaking to the troops that was completely rehearsed despite the appearance that it was spontaneous? ..cant watch it, am at work

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051014...d6KJOOs0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTA3ODdxdHBhBHNlYwM5NjQ-

 

[The Monkey]

Doesn't work on Firefox, I'm gonna try IE.

 

[Razor]

It was most probably the woman preparing the troops for the questions so that the answers can be looked over by the troops and everyone before the "conversation" to ensure accuracy and no top secret information gets leaked accidently.

 

[swiss_cheese9797]

I'm right there with you No Limit. I am at work too but I saw it yesterday. This administration is a disaster. I voted for Kerry, not 'cuz I thought his ideas or stances on any particular issues inspired me or anything, but he HAS to be better than bush. a person would have to work a lifetime to get to the level of expertise the president has in the skill of being a screw-up. I hate the current president. I hated him since before it was 'cool' to hate him. At least hes a lame duck now. I never voted republican in my life and I don't think I ever will. I dont think Democrats are exactly heros or anything but most of their solutions and Ideas seem grounded in morality and reality.

 

[Icarusintel]

it's propaganda... not propegenda or propagenda

ummm... this happens all the time all over the world... i hope this isn;t surprising to anyone, and it's not something that only the bush administration does, tons of governments do it, news eporters do it all the time, it's rare to see somethung unscripted happen on tv

 

[No Limit]

It was most probably the woman preparing the troops for the questions so that the answers can be looked over by the troops and everyone before the "conversation" to ensure accuracy and no top secret information gets leaked accidently.

it's propaganda... not propegenda or propagenda

ummm... this happens all the time all over the world... i hope this isn;t surprising to anyone, and it's not something that only the bush administration does, tons of governments do it, news eporters do it all the time, it's rare to see somethung unscripted happen on tv

Gee, I didn't think we'd see the Bush apologists in this thread .

You guys are honestly getting desperate, your constant defense of Bush is really sickening. No, not everyone does this. No, they didn't do this because of top secret information. They did this to spread 'propaganda' and then lied about it afterward. These soldiers were coached on what to say and this was designed to show americans what troops fighting over there really feel but it turned out to be a total lie. This is another example of Bush also whoring the troops for his own political gain and you apologists don't seem to have a problem with it.

 

[JNightshade]

This is propaganda, it's a blatant lie, but I really wouldn't call it a sign of fascism- simply because then I'd have to call everything else a sign of fascism. Propaganda is everywhere.

 

[Razor]

Gee, I didn't think we'd see the Bush apologists in this thread .

You guys are honestly getting desperate, your constant defense of Bush is really sickening. No, not everyone does this. No, they didn't do this because of top secret information. They did this to spread 'propaganda' and then lied about it afterward. These soldiers were coached on what to say and this was designed to show americans what troops fighting over there really feel but it turned out to be a total lie. This is another example of Bush also whoring the troops for his own political gain and you apologists don't seem to have a problem with it.

All i was doing was given a different view point as you wouldn't let troops into that situation unless they are atleast told not what to say.

And how dare you call me a Bush apologist you little swine? i think you've gone completely nuts and are completely ignorant to my view point if you are calling me a "Bush Apologist" with all of my "constant defense of Bush...". Have a read through of all my posts in Politics...here let me give you a hand

"No Limit, the shocking thing about that huge list isn't the fact that he became President, it's the fact that American's voted him into power again."

"The problem is, some of those 2000people and their families might have a huge problem with their pictures being shown. Some of them might of been very happy to have given their lives for something they truely believed in, yet their image is now being portrayed in away that would go against what they believe in."

"Any infliction of pain during an interogation is defined as torture and is outlawed by the UN, America being a member of which, but then, where would you draw the line? And these suspected terrorists all seem to be released 10 months later without any charges brought to bare them, why? Maybe because they aren't terrorists. I am sure you will be singing a different tune if you were kidnapped off the streets, flown to Syria, beaten to within an inch of your life, finger nails pulled out, etc, then dumped back on the streets 10 months later none the wiser of what happened.

George Bush is no better then Saddam Hussein if these allegations are true, the filthy swine."


Out of everyone in the political board, i am probably one of the only one that argues for both sides and against both sides...

 

[No Limit]

All i was doing was given a different view point as you wouldn't let troops into that situation unless they are atleast told not what to say.

Come on now, you have got to be kidding me. This was a blatant PR move whoring the troops for political gain.

Out of everyone in the political board, i am probably one of the only one that argues for both sides and against both sides...

It was my mistake, I read your username as Raziar especially since you haven't been around for a while. But like I said, it is lowering to the level of a Bush apologist to say that this was staged only because the troops had to be prepared.

 

[koondrad]

Almost all interviews are scripted. Do you think that they just sit down, put a camera on someone and start questioning them. TBH, I don't see what the big deal is.

As for Bush, meh.

 

[ComradeBadger]

No Limit in random anti-Bush rant shocker.

No Limit in accusing all and sundry of being Bush apologists shocker.

 

[Direwolf]

Almost all interviews are scripted. Do you think that they just sit down, put a camera on someone and start questioning them. TBH, I don't see what the big deal is.

As for Bush, meh.

I'll second that. And for the record, almost anything created by a government can be called propaganda by someone. So finding a country on earth without the stuff, democratic or not, is probably impossible.

 

[No Limit]

No Limit in random anti-Bush rant shocker.

No Limit in accusing all and sundry of being Bush apologists shocker.

You know whats a real shocker, a mod, a super mod at that, coming in to a thread and not contributing to the original topic and calling me out personally. I honestly don't give a shit if you, or any member or mod on this board has a problem with me; I am not here to make friends (though I've gotten to know some people on here that I highly respect in the 2 and a half years I've been here). As a mod you have every right to push the ban button and I will disappear. If you are not willing to do that accept the fact I post about politics in the politics board. Wow, No Limit, a liberal american, keeps posting about political issues related to the president of the united states in a politics board. I honestly can not comprehend why so many of you have an issue with that. If you don't like my viewpoints you have every right to challange them in those posts; but everybody calling me out in every single post I make is getting extremely old. What's even a bigger shocker is that all these people having problems with my political threads never actually make political threads of their own. If you don't like the way things are going on this board why don't you try and change? How about you make threads about issues that are important to you? I pormise, I will be happy to participate in them.

 

[No Limit]

I'll second that. And for the record, almost anything created by a government can be called propaganda by someone. So finding a country on earth without the stuff, democratic or not, is probably impossible.

Even after the press secratary says they won't be scripted?

The fact that people honestly don't have a problem with Bush whoring our troops for his political gain blows my mind.

 

[Lt. Drebin]

Wow, I hadn't had a chance to see that. I heard a little about the story, but that was just pure stupidity.

Well....fewer and fewer are buying the BS that this administration continues to spew.

I agree with you, No Limit. Using those troops for political gain is dispicable, and that's all this display was. BUT, I'm glad a lot of his tricks are now starting to fail. He can only get in front of the nation and promise results so many times and fail.....the pattern is predicable. The rhetoric is nauseating. How much has his approval rating gone up after his 18207801237 visits to New Orleans, his countless speeches recently, and now this debacle. He's becoming less and less genuine to most and this is only going to make his job that much more difficult. He and his administration have backed themselves into a nice shitty corner. I hope they enjoy the stay because few people are going to be willing to let them out.

 

[ComradeBadger]

You know whats a real shocker, a mod, a super mod at that, coming in to a thread and not contributing to the original topic and calling me out personally. I honestly don't give a shit if you, or any member or mod on this board has a problem with me; I am not here to make friends (though I've gotten to know some people on here that I highly respect in the 2 and a half years I've been here). As a mod you have every right to push the ban button and I will disappear. If you are not willing to do that accept the fact I post about politics in the politics board. Wow, No Limit, a liberal american, keeps posting about political issues related to the president of the united states in a politics board. I honestly can not comprehend why so many of you have an issue with that. If you don't like my viewpoints you have every right to challange them in those posts; but everybody calling me out in every single post I make is getting extremely old. What's even a bigger shocker is that all these people having problems with my political threads never actually make political threads of their own. If you don't like the way things are going on this board why don't you try and change? How about you make threads about issues that are important to you? I pormise, I will be happy to participate in them.

Heh. I have every right to challenge you indeed - however, if I choose to do so, regardless of my political denomination you will call me a right-wing-Bush apologist.. I have a problem with the fact that you only ever rant on about 1 thing- like it's a single issue. I'd have more respect for you if you could actually react to a counterpoint without insulting people. Like you've just done with Razor, and have previously done to Kirovman and Feath.

In fact, tomorrow I shall post a political thread in this forum. In fact, I look forward to it.

 

[No Limit]

Heh. I have every right to challenge you indeed - however, if I choose to do so, regardless of my political denomination you will call me a right-wing-Bush apologist..

How would you know, you are yet to challange anything I say and I dont remember you posting anything political.

I have a problem with the fact that you only ever rant on about 1 thing- like it's a single issue.

No, I post about many things. The problem is I am an american and Bush is currently the biggest political target of any party as he is the president. I have posted about 3 strike laws, drug laws, about poverty, about corruption in government, about conservatives I respect, and that's all just off the top of my head. If you honestly think I only post about 1 thing you haven't been paying any attention.

I'd have more respect for you if you could actually react to a counterpoint without insulting people. Like you've just done with Razor, and have previously done to Kirovman and Feath.

I have in the past been wrong, when I am wrong I admit it. I think I know what case you are talking about with feath and I know I apologized to him for that.

In fact, tomorrow I shall post a political thread in this forum. In fact, I look forward to it.

I also look forward to it you Bush apologist .

 

[gh0st]

its been said that it was for technical reasons.. you cant just start interviewing soldiers live on tv with the president. i imagine you would have done the same no limit.

i love how whenever anybody has anything different than no limit to say, they are bush apologists and constantly supporting bush. eh just piss off no limit, you suck.

 

[CptStern]

heh that's ironic


anyways I think people are reading too much into motivations ...just read the posted article and decide yourself

 

[No Limit]

its been said that it was for technical reasons.. you cant just start interviewing soldiers live on tv with the president. i imagine you would have done the same no limit.

i love how whenever anybody has anything different than no limit to say, they are bush apologists and constantly supporting bush. eh just piss off no limit, you suck.

Really, learn to read or leave. I already posted that the white house, before the interview, said this would not be scripted.

Second, this is nothing more than Bush whoring our troops for his own political gain.

Third, can you show me an example of Clinton, or any prior president, doing something like this? Anyone, anyone at all.

 

[gh0st]

umm ok. how about when clinton blew up a "terrorist training camp" which supposedly had weapons of mass destruction, in sudan with cruise missiles? right during his sex scandal? it was later proven that this facility manufactured medicine to be sent to iraq as approved by the US. it was the most titanically manufactured small military action but clinton exploited every caveat of it to draw attention away from his sex scandal, which it did through constant press conferences with the joint chiefs, the secretary of defense, and so forth. if you cant deal with wag the dog politics leave america and go live in a country that doesnt matter.

does that mean this is right, or im trying to justify this shit? no. but im saying it happens ALL THE TIME. it happened especially frequently under clinton, he's got quite a bad reputation for using propaganda and downright deception, from cruise missiles at tents to education bills in congress. quit asking why people voted for him too, people can vote for whomever the **** they want to without your smartass telling them how to vote.

 

[No Limit]

umm ok. how about when clinton blew up a "terrorist training camp" which supposedly had weapons of mass destruction, in sudan with cruise missiles? right during his sex scandal? it was later proven that this facility manufactured medicine to be sent to iraq as approved by the US. it was the most titanically manufactured small military action but clinton exploited every caveat of it to draw attention away from his sex scandal, which it did through constant press conferences with the joint chiefs, the secretary of defense, and so forth. if you cant deal with wag the dog politics leave america and go live in a country that doesnt matter.

does that mean this is right, or im trying to justify this shit? no. but im saying it happens ALL THE TIME. it happened especially frequently under clinton, he's got quite a bad reputation for using propaganda and downright deception, from cruise missiles at tents to education bills in congress. quit asking why people voted for him too, people can vote for whomever the **** they want to without your smartass telling them how to vote.

I asked you a question about a prior president, could be Clinton if you wish, ever doing a scripted meeting with soldiers after telling the country it wouldn't be scripted. I will not get in to a discussion about Clinton.

 

[MrWhite]

Well, as much as I agree Bush is a fascist, hah, I don't think this is any sign of it as I'm pretty sure that every president in US History has done things exactly like this. It's not good business, it's just politics.

 

[satch919]

I wouldn't call it facism but it is outrageous nonetheless. I heard a presidential historian say that every president stages a Q&A session but not as blatantly obvious as this one.

I think this whole "spontaneous" town hall meeting made the Administration look worse than it already did. Remember, this was billed as a spontaneous meeting between the president and the troops.

Keep digging that hole Bush!

 

[Raziaar]

No Limit in random anti-Bush rant shocker.

No Limit in accusing all and sundry of being Bush apologists shocker.

I thought the same exact thing <chuckles>

If anybody has a point of view differing from his, he accuses them of being a bush appologist, even if they don't even like bush.

 

[dream431ca]

oh is this the video of bush speaking to the troops that was completely rehearsed despite the appearance that it was spontaneous? ..cant watch it, am at work

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051014...d6KJOOs0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTA3ODdxdHBhBHNlYwM5NjQ-

This article scares me. What the hell is going on?? Bush is lying to the troops as well as the public. You Americans better be deeply concerned on this matter because this is not some small thing that Bush did. This is very serious.

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

Some of these have been posted in hallways I've seen. Here's a scan.



Also the local Democrat party has funded some poster campaigns here too, seen some (kind of inflammatory in all honesty) anti war posters or anti conservative posters.

 

[MrWhite]

Haha what I find funny about it is, why would he have to ask the troops about the general security in iraq, security preparations for the vote in iraq, and training of the iraqi troops when HE IS THE PRESIDENT, HE SHOULD ALREADY KNOW.

Oh wait, HE DID, HE WAS JUST LYING. HAHAHAHAHA... Oh dear...

 

[gh0st]

you guys are outrageous.. its not like he's telling them how or what to answer with they are just coreographing it for convenience sake. if they'd been like "when the president asks you how the war is going, you say this" then yeah i'd be outraged. but all they are saying is when the president asks so and so question hand it to so and so. do you really expect bush to just randomly pull 10 people off the street and start asking them questions on live tv? get a grip people. this isnt even lying... scripted would imply the troops are being told what to say. im basing this off the yahoo article so if any of yo ucould enlighten me that'd be great.

oh and no limit - good answer, good dodging skills. i imagine you have to be very adept at that with your ignorant and close minded self. yeah im going to dig through history to find a live television event where EXACTLY these scenarios are present. i gave you an example of presidential propaganda, something you're going to have to deal with, youre taking the piss if you think im going to suck your penis and find this for you.

 

[Raziaar]

Captain finishes answering a question, and bush asks another.

Captain: Umm... Who do I pass the microphone to?

Captain glances at the soldier next to him, a confused expression on his face.

Captain: Does he want me to answer this one? Or should I give the others a chance to answer? So far i've answered them all!

 

[15357]

I guess i live in a facist country...

 

[Sulkdodds]

Propaganda....isn't really a sign of facism. :dozey:

Yes, it's misleading and rather immoral to script events like this to make a point about 'support for the war' if as claimed actual opinion polls show an entirely different picture, but hell it happens all the time. People are always told what to say in situations like this. I'm not claiming that makes it right, but I don't think it justifies complete moral outrage and a new thread, more a "hmmph. damn politicians."

In fact, tomorrow I shall post a political thread in this forum. In fact, I look forward to it.

Oh yus.

 

[Gray Fox]

I have to agree with the rightwngers, liberal media is biased.
I just don't see why they mind it, they don't mind FOX beeing pro rightwing.

 

[15357]

Watch out for liberal criminals disguised as democracy supporters and report them to police.

6char..

 

[kirovman]

6char..

Heh, their propaganda isn't very subtle is it?

 

[15357]

Heh, their propaganda isn't very subtle is it?

Its more like a slogan, since its *4 'letters' here* *4 'letters' here* *4 'letters' here* *4 'letters' here* in Korean.


민주위장 좌익사범 살펴보고 신고하자

 

[Flyingdebris]

propaganda is used by all sorts of governments, not just facist ones

facism literally means power held by only a few people

propaganda is merely media created by some organization, usually a government, to get you sympathetic to their cause.

Propaganda does not a facism make. If it was a comercial about how cool it would be for Pres. bush to dissolve the current government, eliminate voting, set up a tyranny, and weild absolute power. THEN it would be facist propaganda

 

[No Limit]

you guys are outrageous.. its not like he's telling them how or what to answer with they are just coreographing it for convenience sake. if they'd been like "when the president asks you how the war is going, you say this" then yeah i'd be outraged. but all they are saying is when the president asks so and so question hand it to so and so. do you really expect bush to just randomly pull 10 people off the street and start asking them questions on live tv? get a grip people. this isnt even lying... scripted would imply the troops are being told what to say. im basing this off the yahoo article so if any of yo ucould enlighten me that'd be great.

your reading skills need improvement, they were talking off a script AFTER THE WHITE HOUSE SAID THIS WOULD NOT BE SCRIPTED.

oh and no limit - good answer, good dodging skills. i imagine you have to be very adept at that with your ignorant and close minded self. yeah im going to dig through history to find a live television event where EXACTLY these scenarios are present. i gave you an example of presidential propaganda, something you're going to have to deal with, youre taking the piss if you think im going to suck your penis and find this for you.

You guys really have a huge erection for Clinton. The example you posted is easily disputed, but I am not going to get in to Clinton, Clinton hasn't been around for over 5 years and I certainly wasn't old enough to ever vote for him. I don't know how you can actually say launching a stike against al queda is propaganda.

 

[gh0st]

wait so this facility designed to manufacture medicine for iraq was al queda? youre right, lets not get into this. point is, i would be very mad if bush had manufactured the troops answers. from my point of view, it looks like it was just organized, not "scripted" a-la hl2 videos