Public Smoking Ban in the Uk

[diluted]

I'm an on-again off-again smoker, and I'm against most of these smoking laws...

I do support a smoking ban in all indoor public places, but I believe that a business should be allowed to make a separate room with separate ventilation for smokers. Where I live, they can't do that, which I think is bloody rediculous.

Smoking outdoors should definately be allowed. Don't like the smell of cigarette smoke? Then don't stand downwind from me, ****in' complainer. :|

 

[15357]

IMO, at the end of the year, smokers should herded off to forced-labor camps, working 3 hours per cigarrete they have smoked for the year. The goverment would keep a tab on all cigarette sales and smokers. And illegal smoking/selling tobacco would be 'controlled' with APCs and armed military police.

 

[OvA]

I do support a smoking ban in all indoor public places, but I believe that a business should be allowed to make a separate room with separate ventilation for smokers. Where I live, they can't do that, which I think is bloody rediculous.

Location: In a cardboard box

Lawler.

 

[gh0st]

Smoking outdoors should definately be allowed. Don't like the smell of cigarette smoke? Then don't stand downwind from me, ****in' complainer. :|

mmm maybe i should start farting and belching in your face. hell if you dont like it you can stand downwind of the shit and piss im going to start flinging everywhere too, ****in complainer.

 

[Absinthe]

of course i say this as i eat my 2nd taco bell chalupa.

Why do the good things in life always kill you?

Any way, **** an outdoor ban.

 

[Angry Lawyer]

If the ban goes through, I'll miss my celebratory cigars

-Angry Lawyer

 

[Pi Mu Rho]

Cigars get the chicks.

 

[kirovman]

Chewing tobacco will make you a goddamn sexual Tyrannosaur... just like me.

 

[15357]

Chewing tobacco will make you a goddamn sexual Tyrannosaur... just like me.

As seen here, tobacco also creates delusions and hallucinations especially while looking in the mirror. :j/k

 

[Angry Lawyer]

Cigars get the chicks.

Here's a man who knows his stuff.

-Angry Lawyer

 

[Pi Mu Rho]

Until I gave up (last November), I smoked nothing but cigars. It was fantastic.

 

[Absinthe]

As seen here, tobacco also creates delusions and hallucinations especially while looking in the mirror. :j/k

You will respect Mr. Ventura!

 

[Cormeh]

I remember being in Dublin last summer, where they have the ban enforced. To be honest smoking doesn't bother me, but the bonus is you gome home without your clothes smelling like a toilet.

 

[ríomhaire]

Surveys have shown that most of Irish smokers suport the smoking ban.
(In Ireland it applies to everywhere enclosed space that people work including taxis and lorrys excet prisons and mental hospitals)

 

[Angry Lawyer]

Until I gave up (last November), I smoked nothing but cigars. It was fantastic.

I'm only an occasional smoker, but I only do cigars. There's nothing more awesome than sitting with a cigar and a scotch while at poker night. And the chicks (most of whom I know are normal smokers) seem to love the aura of SECHS that cigars exude. Man, I love cigars.

-Angry Lawyer

 

[jerkasaur]

I think the Government should put 200% taxes on all tobacco products... or some stupidly high cost rather than a public ban.

Other wise I strongly agree, a public ban is needed.

the same should happen for weaponary products, like if i had a gun and wanted to kill someone, i'd go: well, i guess you're feeling lucky today punk, cause if i had 2000$ i'd be putting a bullet in your head...

 

[Flyingdebris]

There's a differece betwen standing next to a smoker and breathing deeply, and just walking through a room smelling the air and thinking, "Yeah someone was smoking here."

Smokers are a dying breed, they are either quitting or dying off. There's no need to be asses to them. Most places they are banned from smoking anyhow.

 

[jerkasaur]

There's a differece betwen standing next to a smoker and breathing deeply, and just walking through a room smelling the air and thinking, "Yeah someone was smoking here."

but it stinks anyway...

 

[Ikerous]

Just because you find something unpleasant doesn't mean it should be illegal

If you don't like smoke, then don't visit bars and restaurants that allow smoking. You choose to be there. Simple economics will determine which places allow smoking and which places ban it. I really don't see how it's the government's business at all.

 

[jerkasaur]

yeah well, i don't like smoking, i don't go to smoking areas, but think if you're checking out a store and this guy comes standing next to you, smoking like hell. i don't like that too.
hahaha look at my avatar, my bad...

 

[Ikerous]

yeah well, i don't like smoking, i don't go to smoking areas, but think if you're checking out a store and this guy comes standing next to you, smoking like hell. i don't like that too.

I completely agree. I wouldn't like that much either, and I doubt many people would. Which is why places like grocery stores should ban smoking (And most probably do). But for the government to play a role in it just doesn't make sense to me.

hahaha look at my avatar, my bad...

lol

 

[jerkasaur]

But for the government to play a role in it just doesn't make sense to me.

the whole government itself doesn't make sense to me...

 

[Nat Turner]

I think

A) Get rid of national health care system, people shouldn't be taxed for others' sicknesses
B) Legalize all drugs in all places

 

[kirovman]

I think the National Health Care system is a great thing to have.
It's a form of insurance, and yes a small proportion of your tax goes towards it, but it's better than your tax going into "liberating" people half way around the world.

It's nice to know whatever happens, the paramedics aren't going to check your credit rating when you're in the middle of a heart attack.

I know a few people who are well off now, but they would be either dead or dead-poor if they had to pay for their health care before.

 

[Nat Turner]

I think the National Health Care system is a great thing to have.
It's a form of insurance, and yes a small proportion of your tax goes towards it, but it's better than your tax going into "liberating" people half way around the world.

It's better to pay for neither. Your money should be yours, not anyone else's, and certainly not the government's. Paying for others' people health should not be forced through taxation. It should be done through charities, and therefore would be optional. It's just not fair to pay for someone who's ****ed his life over with drugs or cigarettes.

It's nice to know whatever happens, the paramedics aren't going to check your credit rating when you're in the middle of a heart attack.

Well, they could bill you after . Or the whole charity thing could cover it.

 

[Sulkdodds]

I would use that 'first they came for the blah blah blah, then they came for me' quote because it seems kind of appropriate but in a stupid way. My point is that it's all well and good to say 'I don't want to pay for other people's sickness' until it's you or your friend that's sick. Oh, you've got enough money for medical care? Oh, that's wonderful. What if you don't? Whether taxpayers should have to

pay for someone who's ****ed their life over with drugs or cigarettes.

is a more complex argument but just getting rid of national medical care is a crazy thing to do. The alternative is rich people getting good medical care and poor people getting shit medical care. It would only work if you had a really high standard of living already, like Sweden or something.

 

[kirovman]

Well actually I agree with not having to pay for someone's healthcare, when it is self-inflicated in the way of cigarettes.

However I think keeping the National Health Care service is a good thing to do (people are willing to pay the tax for it anyway).

How about this: Why should my tax money be spent on building roads? Or funding education? I don't drive (currently) and I don't have kids. People should pay for their own roads and education. I should have 0% tax!

 

[Nat Turner]

I would use that 'first they came for the blah blah blah, then they came for me' quote because it seems kind of appropriate but in a stupid way. My point is that it's all well and good to say 'I don't want to pay for other people's sickness' until it's you or your friend that's sick. Oh, you've got enough money for medical care? Oh, that's wonderful. What if you don't? Whether taxpayers should have to



is a more complex argument but just getting rid of national medical care is a crazy thing to do. The alternative is rich people getting good medical care and poor people getting shit medical care. It would only work if you had a really high standard of living already, like Sweden or something.

A) It shouldn't be forced payment through taxes, this is totalitarian and unethical IMO. I think heavily encouraged charities would work
B) People should be allowed more healthcare if they have lived healthy lives

 

[Nat Turner]

Well actually I agree with not having to pay for someone's healthcare, when it is self-inflicated in the way of cigarettes.

However I think keeping the National Health Care service is a good thing to do (people are willing to pay the tax for it anyway).

Yeah, it is a good thing, but I just disagree with people's money being stolen from them. It should simply be optional, although very encouraged. Like you'd pay by default, but then have to send in a letter giving reasons why you won't pay the healthcare tax or something to get your money back. People should have a right to not spend their money.

How about this: Why should my tax money be spent on building roads? Or funding education? I don't drive (currently) and I don't have kids. People should pay for their own roads and education. I should have 0% tax!

Well, education helps society a TON, and your money is basically returned to you (unless you go overboard in spending on schools). I'd have to be especially extremist to not want public education. Homeschooling does yield surprisingly good results though, but I haven't looked into that much. Roads are important too, but I think the payment should be solely done through tolls. Don't use the road, you shouldn't have to pay.

 

[Maxi]

Afaik people in finland who have type II diabetes are going to have to pay for their own insulin or something.

That's justice!

 

[Nat Turner]

Afaik people in finland who have type II diabetes are going to have to pay for their own insulin or something.

That's justice!

No, they can get others to donate money to the cause. They don't have to pay it themselves (assuming your info is correct). It's not justice or anything, simply property rights.

 

[kirovman]

I like to see the healthcare system as a form of 'national insurance' (but actually national insurance means something else over here). I think most people over here are happy for the tax to be paid into the NHS, it's just something everyone grew up with. A lot of people see council tax as theft (which doesn't go towards healthcare), but I haven't met many people who see healthcare tax as theft.

I think this topic is slightly derailed :O

 

[Nat Turner]

I like to see the healthcare system as a form of 'national insurance' (but actually national insurance means something else over here).

I'm willing to pay a small amount every salary day to ensure that I can have any healthcare treatment that I might need later.

Well you could always just put away a percentage of your salary into a bank account to use later for health issues. Doing it through the government is inefficient and pointless IMO.

 

[kirovman]

Well you could always just put away a percentage of your salary into a bank account to use later for health issues. Doing it through the government is inefficient and pointless IMO.

I'm very likely to spend it on beer. Also, another system, pension schemes, you don't save money in your bank for a pension (not usually anyway). You invest in a pension scheme. Best not to put all your eggs in one basket.

 

[Nat Turner]

I'm very likely to spend it on beer. Also, another system, pension schemes, you don't save money in your bank for a pension (not usually anyway). You invest in a pension scheme. Best not to put all your eggs in one basket.

You're probably right. And beer is good.

 

[kirovman]

And cigars are good too when you're pretending to be Hannibal from the A-Team!

 

[Llama]

Or if you want to take 20 minutes off your life instead of 7 per drag...three times the deathliness (TM) X_X

 

[Absinthe]

Real men inhale cigars.

 

[kirovman]

Real men wash down the remains of the cigar, out of an ashtray, with a pint of rum.

 

[Absinthe]

And then they inject heroin into their eye.