Quick Question about the graphics
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"We target 60 FPS, and then adjust details accordingly. At E3 we were running 60 Hz on a 128 MB 9800 at 13something by 7something (the resolution of the plasma screen, which I don't remember exactly).
We are in the middle of a lot of performance analysis and tuning with ATI and NVIDIA. We will release benchmarking tools before we ship.
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From: The boogeyman
Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2003 9:48 AM
To: '[email protected]'
Subject: HL2 performance numbers
Hi Gabe,
I feel guilty sending this to you since I suspect you're being inundated with emails every minute of every hour buuuuuuuuut.... ;-)
Any idea if you guys are planning on releasing some performance metrics/benchmark numbers to the net before Half-Life2's release? I'm sure there are legions of folks out there wondering what kind of performance they can expect out of the game running on high end ATI/nvidia hardware. 30 fps? 60fps? 100fps? I realize the engine is highly scaleable but for the 'ultimate' HL2 experience (ie 1024x768 to 1280x960, 32 bit color, all the eye candy cranked, 60 fps+) are the ATI 9800Pros and Nvidia 5900Ultra's going to be able to deliver? I know I for one want to pull the trigger on a 9800Pro but there's no way I'm jumping in if its not going to run the game the way it deserves to be run. I know the hardware AND gaming sites would love to get this kind of data a la the preliminary Doom3 benchmarks that id/nvidia released a while ago.
Any chance?
96 days and counting!
Regards!
" -- JGF.
We are in the middle of a lot of performance analysis and tuning with ATI and NVIDIA. We will release benchmarking tools before we ship.
-----Original Message-----
From: The boogeyman
Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2003 9:48 AM
To: '[email protected]'
Subject: HL2 performance numbers
Hi Gabe,
I feel guilty sending this to you since I suspect you're being inundated with emails every minute of every hour buuuuuuuuut.... ;-)
Any idea if you guys are planning on releasing some performance metrics/benchmark numbers to the net before Half-Life2's release? I'm sure there are legions of folks out there wondering what kind of performance they can expect out of the game running on high end ATI/nvidia hardware. 30 fps? 60fps? 100fps? I realize the engine is highly scaleable but for the 'ultimate' HL2 experience (ie 1024x768 to 1280x960, 32 bit color, all the eye candy cranked, 60 fps+) are the ATI 9800Pros and Nvidia 5900Ultra's going to be able to deliver? I know I for one want to pull the trigger on a 9800Pro but there's no way I'm jumping in if its not going to run the game the way it deserves to be run. I know the hardware AND gaming sites would love to get this kind of data a la the preliminary Doom3 benchmarks that id/nvidia released a while ago.
Any chance?
96 days and counting!
Regards!
" -- JGF.
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from what i saw the video got choppy(lowered fps) in certain parts. I noticed this at the last scene the most when you are looking around from up top on the elevator. it will all come down to how well they do the lod system not your card. 9800 got stressed from what i saw so they are probably tweaking as we speak.
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I saw that too, but I think it may have been Quicktime doing that rather than the game. Quicktime is often known to go "choppy" in areas of media. It happened on a few occasions throughout the movie - another instance being when Gordon "rushes" the Ant Lions towards the sentries then follows them.
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Hmmm, how do you guys think it will run on my system?
P4 1.9ghz
768Mb RIMMRAM
Geforce4 ti 4600 128mb
soundblaster live value (yuck)
thanx
P4 1.9ghz
768Mb RIMMRAM
Geforce4 ti 4600 128mb
soundblaster live value (yuck)
thanx
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The 5900 is better, but now I'm probably gona get flamed by people who think nVidia cheats
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Here is one benchmark: http://www6.tomshardware.com/graphic/20030512/geforce_fx_5900-10.html
Couldnt find the other.
Couldnt find the other.
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As to the choppiness, I was worried about that too. Then I played the movie file on a far superior computer, and the choppiness wasn't there. So what you're seeing could well be Quicktime, or even the videocam itself chugging. No real way to tell at this point.
Benchmarking this game is going to be VERY hard given that it scales the LOD and other engine features dynamically to take advantage of different hardware.
Many people are already confused: "only 60fps with a top-of-the-line system?" They don't realize that the engine targets 60fps on ALL systems, scaling things back or forward depending on the load to get the best look and feel possible on any system.
Benchmarking this game is going to be VERY hard given that it scales the LOD and other engine features dynamically to take advantage of different hardware.
Many people are already confused: "only 60fps with a top-of-the-line system?" They don't realize that the engine targets 60fps on ALL systems, scaling things back or forward depending on the load to get the best look and feel possible on any system.
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Originally posted by LoneDeranger
The 5900 is better, but now I'm probably gona get flamed by people who think nVidia cheats
well if its better than why does it perform worse than a 9800 when nvidias cheats are disabled?
as an aside, ati's anti aliasing looks better, and their overall IQ is better with or without AA and AF.
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well they dont release "misc. patches" they release a new driver set and a new control panel at the same time, have you tried 3.5 cats? i dont know of any problems with any current games on them.
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Sure, but that doesn't solve the problem: that's not necessarily how everyone is going to play. The basic problem is that before you could compare different systems by fps strictly: more fps = better in a very obvious and linear fashion (unless there were graphics cheats). Thus, you could use benchmarks to judge how well a system might run a game. But in this case, a better system might not run HL2 any faster at all: it might dump on more graphical effects and get the same fps. How do you compare? Straight non-LOD just wont give you the same range you get when you do have LOD in effect, as should be the normal case in playing the game.
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i think that it might just need a new paradyme in benchmarking. Instead of measuring the FPS, maybe they will encourage measuring other factors. for example, what level of detail can be maintained at 60fps?? Then again, peopl are stubborn about this kind of thing, and if not adopted it wouldn't be a very good measurement across the board.
As for running old hardware with high options: don't bother. DX7 (or whatever) cards trying to emulate just about any DX 8 or 9 function would probably reduce your framerate to 30% alone. Buy new hardware or accept less than perfect graphics. We all will, if the source engine is as extensible as Gabe suggests. They'll have source engine advancements and texture resulution upgrades for the next generation of cards too, I'll bet. As long as their sales stay high enough to continue the level of investment...
But I could be wrong.
-Phision
As for running old hardware with high options: don't bother. DX7 (or whatever) cards trying to emulate just about any DX 8 or 9 function would probably reduce your framerate to 30% alone. Buy new hardware or accept less than perfect graphics. We all will, if the source engine is as extensible as Gabe suggests. They'll have source engine advancements and texture resulution upgrades for the next generation of cards too, I'll bet. As long as their sales stay high enough to continue the level of investment...
But I could be wrong.
-Phision
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