Real IRA Shoot 2 British Soldiers Dead in Northern Ireland

[Solaris]

A Dublin-based newspaper has received a call supposedly from the Real IRA which claimed responsibility for the attack at Massereene army base.
Using a recognised codename, it claimed responsibility for the attack in which two soldiers were killed.

Four other people, including two pizza delivery men, were also injured when gunmen struck at the Antrim base.
The prime minister described the attack as "evil" and said "no murderer" would derail the peace process.

The soldiers are the first to be murdered in Northern Ireland since Lance Bombardier Stephen Restorick was killed by an IRA sniper in 1997.

The dead men, both in their early 20s were due to fly to Afghanistan in the coming days.
Flowers have been laid at the scene and a vigil was held nearby on Sunday.
The Real IRA was born out of a split in the mainstream Provisional IRA in October 1997, when the IRA's so-called quartermaster-general resigned over Sinn Fein's direction in the peace process.

It carried out the worst single atrocity of over 30 years of violence in Northern Ireland when it bombed the County Tyrone town of Omagh, killing 29 people, in August 1998.

Although this news is shocking and vulgar; it is hard to call it surprising. The security forces have been warning for quite a while now about an imminent threat posed by dissident republicans. Clearly the dissident groups are willing to restart the campaign of violence that we had all hoped was behind us in Northern Ireland.

Whilst I agree with them that the British Army has no right in Ireland, yesterdays attack was unnessacary and probably harmful to the struggle for a united Ireland. What is particually saddening is that they are willing to continue the policy of targeting all those who provide services to the police and army; in this instance the Pizza Delivery people, who, in all probability, could very well have been polish immigrants and totally unaware that delivering pizza to an army barracks made them 'legitimate' targets to dissident groups.

Also worrying is the strong possibility of retaliatory attacks against the catholic community by Loyalists. If that happened then who knows where it might lead.

However; one thing can be said for certain. The people of Northern Ireland, from both sides of the community have no desire to return to the violence of the troubles. Dissident republicans have no popular mandate for their actions. I think even most of the hardcore republicans would rather have a small military presence in Northern Ireland that is kept within their barracks than shoot-outs in the streets like what used to happen in the not too distant past.

 

[Krynn72]

Is their name actually "Real IRA" or are they just saying that to distinguish from a fake version?

 

[Sulkdodds]

There was a schism in the Provos (Provisional IRA) during the early 90s, I think. The Real IRA were one of the resulting factions. It's their real name. I believe one of the main reasons for the split was the Provos acceptance of ceasfire terms and integration into the peace process, which certain factions within refused to tolerate. Geez, look it up on wikipedia or something!

I can't help thinking (hoping?) this is merely an ineffectual last gasp.

 

[Eejit]

Sulk's probably right. The support for violence has waned dramatically over the past decade, and these splinter groups have never had the kind of resources and backing needed to carry out an effective campaign.
I suspect (and hope) not much will come of this in the long run. I wouldn't be surprised if a dissident Loyalist splinter group did something similar, but I doubt it would escalate even so.

 

[ríomhaire]

I hope this doesn't ignite anything. It's been years since the IRA(s) did anything. I think most people had hoped they'd just fade away.

 

[Bob_Marley]

A sad reminder of the events that seemed to end 10 years ago. RIP to the dead and I hope the perpetrators are brought to justice.

Sadly it seems the RIRA are trying to get this all to kick off again, a couple of months back the planted a 300lb car bomb in County Down, though thankfully it was defused. Linky.

 

[Kadayi]

Good luck getting funding from 'Oirish' Americans this time around ****ers...

 

[Evo]

Feckin idiots who don't realise that the only way to get what they want is through the democratic process, they should realise that what they are doing only causes more problems. But then again that is what they want in all probability.

 

[Mr Stabby]

Oblviously they've abandoned the blowing up crowds of civilians tactics (Omagh wasn't the best PR move) and are going for more 'legitimate' targets. The purpose of the attack was probably to get the army back on patrols but not likely to happen, so I don't expect it will have any major repurcussion that is, aslong as their halfwit counterparts on the loyalist side don't carry out any retaliation. Good to see Sinn Fein openly condemning it, that just shows how far the peace process has progressed.

 

[SimpleAssassin]

will there ever be peace in Ireland.

****in Cromwell!

 

[Solaris]

They just shot dead a Police Officer in Armagh:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/7933990.stm

 

[Kadayi]

* sighs

12 years of peace down the drain....

No doubt plenty of cheering and backslapping in Boston Bars though

Their not terrorists though, their freedom fighters fighting against the oppressive British right? :|

 

[Raziaar]

Filthy terrorists.

 

[Kadayi]

If you fancy trolling a twat I recommend you check out this thread on Digg:-

http://digg.com/world_news/British_Soldiers_Murdered_as_they_Lay_on_Ground

and the posts by a guy called upstream1

Despite clearly not being Irish, the man is only too willing to tell you that they had it coming as recompense for all the sins committed by the ongoing activities of the 'Ulster Defense League'. A fictional organisation from what I can determine given the apparent lack of global information that exists regarding them (feel free to correct me if I'm wrong in that respect).

 

[PimpinPenguin]

Why are they dragging us back to war? What has changed? 12 years of peace then all of a sudden they start again. This is the last thing we need is the bloody Irish fighting again what with resession and international terrorism.

 

[Kadayi]

Why are they dragging us back to war? What has changed? 12 years of peace then all of a sudden they start again. This is the last thing we need is the bloody Irish fighting again what with resession and international terrorism.

I suspect in some ****ed up way they are seeing it as the ideal time to yank the chain. That no one but themselves wants this is the tragedy.

 

[Solaris]

I think such events will always occur and continue to occur; as long as the British government and crown continues it's presence in Northern Ireland. I'm not defending these attacks; I believe the only moral way right now to achieve a united Ireland is through peaceful means.

However many people are angry at Sinn Feins settlement with and endorsement of the PSNI; people (wrongly) see them as no different than the RUC. The only way the police will ever be fully accepted and immune from republican attacks in NI (imo) is through the creation of an all Ireland police force.

 

[Mr Stabby]

The IRA kill Garda aswell.

 

[Kadayi]

I think such events will always occur and continue to occur; as long as the British government and crown continues it's presence in Northern Ireland. I'm not defending these attacks; I believe the only moral way right now to achieve a united Ireland is through peaceful means.

I wouldn't be so pessimistic. The only people who seem to be cheering about this turn of events are propping up bars in Boston and New Jersey it seems. :dozey:

 

[Solaris]

The IRA kill Garda aswell.

As far as I am aware they have only ever killed one and in defence as well.

It's been IRA policy since soon after the civil war to not target free state forces or police.

I wouldn't be so pessimistic. The only people who seem to be cheering about this turn of events are propping up bars in Boston and New Jersey it seems.

I disagree. Throughout history the Irish people have asserted their right to be free of British occupation and for the creation of a 32 county state. Their mandate is not the popular will of the people; but Irish history. They see neither Irish governments as legitimate; but instead recognise the Irish republic as declared in 1916. So statements made by members of that government such as James Connolly in the last testament before execution:

"Believing that the British government has no right in Ireland, never had any right in Ireland and never can have any right in Ireland. The presence in any generation of even a respectable minority willing to die to affirm that truth makes their presence forever a usurpation and a crime against human progress"

Can be used to justify the use of violence now and in the indefinite future against the British forces in Ireland.

 

[Tyguy]

the ira is a persistent ****ing group, christ...

 

[Eejit]

ITT: Bunch of foreigners ignorant of what they're talking about. Oh and "Kim is worse than Stalin"-Solaris.

It's just a tiny splinter group trying to get the war started again. They'll fail. There's nowhere near enough support for it on either side now, either among the extremeist politicians or the general public.

 

[Kadayi]

Seems like the second shooting was by another group

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/7934426.stm

The Continuity IRA :|

@Solaris

Nationalism is the preserve of the weak minded.

 

[Mr Stabby]

As far as I am aware they have only ever killed one and in defence as well.

It's been IRA policy since soon after the civil war to not target free state forces or police.

They've killed a few. It's also official IRA policy not to sell drugs or racketeer but that doesn't seem to stop them. Lowlife criminals aren't to big on principles

I disagree. Throughout history the Irish people have asserted their right to be free of British occupation and for the creation of a 32 county state. Their mandate is not the popular will of the people; but Irish history. They see neither Irish governments as legitimate; but instead recognise the Irish republic as declared in 1916. So statements made by members of that government such as James Connolly in the last testament before execution:

"Believing that the British government has no right in Ireland, never had any right in Ireland and never can have any right in Ireland. The presence in any generation of even a respectable minority willing to die to affirm that truth makes their presence forever a usurpation and a crime against human progress"

Can be used to justify the use of violence now and in the indefinite future against the British forces in Ireland.

So, the sermon at Clermont can be used to justify the crusades, does that make the crusades in any way justified?

Like it or not while the majority of the populace of Northern Ireland support the union then the British do have legitimate sovereignty in the north.

 

[Eejit]

Personally I think Fermanagh and Tyrone should be allowed to secede, but what ya gonna do?
After all, the only reason they're part of the 'Unionist-majority Northern Ireland' is gerrymandering by Unionists in the 20s afraid that 4 counties wouldn't be big enough to remain seperate from the South. Democracy, lol.

 

[Mr Stabby]

South Down, South Armagh, and the west of Derry should go too.

 

[Atomic_Piggy]

I don't think there is enough support for there to be a situation like there was ten years ago. Nevertheless, this is a tragedy.

 

[Solaris]

South Down, South Armagh, and the west of Derry should go too.

I agree; it's why the democratic consensus argument in favour of Northern Ireland is illegitimate. The boundary's are not drawn on popular support for the British government; it it was, the province would be too small to be feasible.

To quote Eamonn Mcann in his wonderful book "War and an irish town":

"There is no internal solution to the Northern Ireland problem, the existance of the Northern Ireland state is the problem"

 

[Mr Stabby]

City states are perfectly feasible, so why exactly is a smaller Northern Ireland not? There's really nothing of interest in any of those places anyway, so I don't see what the problem is in getting rid of them. Infact we should get rid of all of Derry and Armagh and most of Antrim aswell.

 

[Kadayi]

The more interesting question is does the republic really want them? You'd of thought that when the wall collapsed most of Western Germany would of been overjoyed at the reunification, but it's not quite as cut and dried as people think. The cost was colossal to the Government, and that heavily impacted on the German economy & tax payers for quite some time.

 

[nurizeko]

Whilst I agree with them that the British Army has no right in Ireland

Except the rights granted it by democratic mandate of the British citizens there who wish and neigh require the protection and succour of the British authorities as their sovereign government, being part of the national territory of the country and the hundreds of years this arrangement of things has been in order.

I totally agree, damn those ****ing English occ...sorry BRITISH (aka, Scots, Welsh, English, Irish and every other race and creed that calls these lands their home) occupiers being in their own country taking delivery of a pizza, ****ing tyrants....

However; one thing can be said for certain. The people of Northern Ireland, from both sides of the community have no desire to return to the violence of the troubles. Dissident republicans have no popular mandate for their actions. I think even most of the hardcore republicans would rather have a small military presence in Northern Ireland that is kept within their barracks than shoot-outs in the streets like what used to happen in the not too distant past.

This, its nice to see the overwhelming majority reject the backwardsness of a minority of organized thugs.

Ireland is part of a modern prosperous Europe, and held to higher standards, the protest against the killing really restored my faith in humanity, and gives one hope that the Troubles really are fast heading towards the history lessons in school where they belong.

Good luck getting funding from 'Oirish' Americans this time around ****ers...

Generic and easy comeback of read history you uneducated moron, allude to the plight of the native Americans, point out the hypocrisy of the two different reactions between the Troubles and 9/11, conclude by pointing out they are Americans, not Irish, and no amount of cheap knock-off Guinness in a plastic Oirish pub in Boston is going to change the fact they have absolutely no authority to say what is best for Ireland, leave it to the people of Ireland you warporn junkie, then ignore them.

Rather simple. :thumbs:

It's been IRA policy since soon after the civil war to not target free state forces or police.

The Continuity IRA like most other break-away groups aren't really interested in what the mainstream IRA dictates.

If an organized criminal gang want to shoot some pigs, they'll shoot some pigs, regardless of what the peace process nationalists think.

Thats what the people of NI need to remember, these people are outcasts on the edge of society, criminals and thugs, we have them on this side of the Irish sea to, the difference is ours don't cause us to live in fear and paralysis because they have no flimsy ideology and hollow cause to cling to.

 

[Mr Stabby]

The more interesting question is does the republic really want them? You'd of thought that when the wall collapsed most of Western Germany would of been overjoyed at the reunification, but it's not quite as cut and dried as people think. The cost was colossal to the Government, and that heavily impacted on the German economy & tax payers for quite some time.

And east Germany didn't have Ian Paisley.

 

[Solaris]

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[Eejit]

Nuri you're acting like a pretentious ass again.

Please, tell us Northern Irish people more about how we "shouldn't live in fear and paralysis". -.-

 

[Solaris]

Except the rights granted it by democratic mandate of the British citizens there who wish and neigh require the protection and succour of the British authorities as their sovereign government, being part of the national territory of the country and the hundreds of years this arrangement of things has been in order.

I totally agree, damn those ****ing English occ...sorry BRITISH (aka, Scots, Welsh, English, Irish and every other race and creed that calls these lands their home) occupiers being in their own country taking delivery of a pizza, ****ing tyrants....

The NI state wasn't set up with a democratic mandate. The British armies role in NI was never to protect the Loyalist community. They didn't need it. The British army defended the state who's government denied catholic's human rights and who's police took part in pogroms on catholic communities. Sure things are a bit different now, but it's totally absurd to think this is how the NI state has always been.

The Continuity IRA like most other break-away groups aren't really interested in what the mainstream IRA dictates.

The 'mainstream' IRA. The IRA is not a school of though, it is a now defunct, demilitarised paramilitary. The real authority was the PIRA who believed their army council to be the only legitimate political authority in Ireland. They then abandoned this belief and recognised the Irish parliament. This led to the first of a couple of splits that led to the creation of the CIRA. The fact that they split shows they disregard the authority of the PIRA army council.

 

[ComradeBadger]

Ireland, get your filthy hands off our insurance markets!

 

[kathaksung]

It's pretty simple if you have the conception that US intelligence control most terrorist group as a whip to blackmail the government where the terrorist group belongs.

The 7/7/05 (and 7/21/05) London bombing was a secret deal between US and Britain. It was used to justify the coming planned terror attack in US. The planned big date was 9/24/05, (also marked with big disaster hurricane Katrina that drowned New Orlean) But the plan went soured.

Anyhow, Britain got its payment.
1. To be the host of 2012 Olympic Game which Tony Blair claimed on 7/6/05. One day before London bombing.
2. IRA gave up the armed force resistence. 3 days after the planned terror attack date of 9/24/05. (The 2nd Hurricane Rita after Katrina of 8/30).

Here is an article I posted three years ago.

"390. London bombing review (2) (continue to #388)(3/5/06)

The July plot went sour. A new plot immediately planned. Storms played a big role in this new plan.

8/14. London bombing still would be used in new plot to justify the bombing in US.

Re: "US warns of new attacks on London
DAVID LEPPARD
August 14, 2005
<http://www.itszone.co.uk/zone0/viewtopic.php?t=40135>

8/14 - 9/5 Four big plane crashes took place which would make the coming one not so unusual to the public.

9/6 - 9/18. Originated from Bahamas Hurricane Ophelia (storm 2) moved slowly along the East Coast. It would be used to cause a trip accident.

9/10 - 9/17 My family members took a trip in East Coast. (attempt murder 1)

8/29. Hurricane Katrina (storm 1) originated from Bahamas drowned New Orleans. Its role was to (1) distract an anti-war movement. (2) play a cover up role to Hurricane Rita, (3) a drill for the coming Hurricane Rita. The two hurricanes were so similar: from its originates (Bahamas), moving traces, to its lasting days. (8 days) (4) give an excuse to the coming inflation. (The inflation is artificial suppressed because Feds needs a low interest rate to maintain a booming house market.)

8/30. Cindy Sheehan's anti-war trip started from Texas. But was neglected by media because of Katrina.

8/31. Chief Executive of Hongkong - Donald Tseng, invited the whole legislature of Hongkong to travel with him to mainland China on 9/25.

8/31. H.A. mailed an architectural inspection notice with heavy penalty intimidation. It included the enclosed yard. I thought it targeted at a self made little shed in backyard. If I tore down the shed, there would be a lot of junk. How could I handle it?

8/31. San Jose Council member Chuck Reed mailed a letter announced a "Free dumping day" on 9/24. Which offered a solution for backyard junk. The coincidence enabled me to realize that Feds planned to frame me on 9/24 if I would have dumped the garbage to the bin. (by claiming there was illegal things inside it?) But what if my wife did the garbage job? Then there was a sudden offering of fun trip from an airliner to the travel company my wife worked. Thus she left before 9/24.

9/22 -9/29. My wife left to South-east Asia for a fun trip.

9/24. Free dumping date. (attempt murder 2) Of course I wouldn't do as they wished.
9/24. Big anti-war protest in Washington. (planned to be humiliated by terror attack)
9/24. Hurricane Rita landed in Texas. An event to distract. (storm 3)

9/25 - 9/26. The legislature of Hongkong visited China. I allege there would have been a travel accident to kill Mr. Wang Yi Hong if 9/24 plot went on successfully. (attempt murder 3)

9/27. My wife took a boat trip in Haloon Bay, Vietnam. While Typhoon Damrey(storm 4) just left a day ago. (attempt murder 4)

10/1 evening, Second Bali bombing.
10/2 morning. Chen Shui-bian, the President of Taiwan stopped in Bali not far from the bombing site. His plane had a temporary stop-by due to the typhoon Longwang. (storm 5) (attempt murder 5)

In 9/24 plot, there were at least 5 attempt murder case, 4 were planned when the victims were in trip. Feds created 5 storms to help the case. And if the 9/24 plot succeeded, I believe there would have been a third London bombing. Though at last it didn't come true, British secret police had prepared it.

The payment to British was not only to host the Olympic. Another reward came right after 9/24.

9/27. "Panel claims IRA has given up weapons
by John Daniszewsky
Los Angeles Times

....the Provisional Irish Republican Army had turned over the bullets, guns, blasting caps, bombs and explosive plastics that held much of Britain in terror for more than 35 years."
(Mercury News 9/27/05)

There were indications to show that US intelligence was behind most terror attack: OKC bombing; 911 attack; anthrax letter; Bali bombing, Chechenya rebel...... It's their tactic to have a link with all opposition party, no matter it's legal or illegal. To manipulate the opposition force often came to a result favorable to them .

The IRA disarmament also indicates that US intends to release one hand of British secret police and let it move its resource to deal with Islamic world. "

Now IRA re-attack again. So there is a purpose. What is it? An extortion to push Britain join the war on Iran

 

[nurizeko]

The NI state wasn't set up with a democratic mandate. The British armies role in NI was never to protect the Loyalist community. They didn't need it. The British army defended the state who's government denied catholic's human rights and who's police took part in pogroms on catholic communities. Sure things are a bit different now, but it's totally absurd to think this is how the NI state has always been.

We could argue, but that'd be pointless. We also had an empire and a strict class system to!. Ah the past....good times...(if you were aristocracy and protestant).

We could argue for pages more, suffice to say we both agree peace is the only real option as it stands, which is fine, everyone is happy with that, hence why some thugs shouldn't ruin it for everyone else.

The 'mainstream' IRA. The IRA is not a school of though, it is a now defunct, demilitarised paramilitary. The real authority was the PIRA who believed their army council to be the only legitimate political authority in Ireland. They then abandoned this belief and recognised the Irish parliament. This led to the first of a couple of splits that led to the creation of the CIRA. The fact that they split shows they disregard the authority of the PIRA army council.

I stand corrected.

The point I was making regardless is that when violent primates want to kill police, they are going to, regardless of what anyone else says.

Some people just want to blow shit up, shoot people, or burn things down.