Real life Vampires

[Raziaar]

Well, as I delve further into playing Vampire: The Masquerade Bloodlines, I can't help but ponder about real life vampires.

Now, I know vampires as they are in lore do not exist in this world, but I have become all too painfully aware of the morons out there that get so obsessed with this stuff, that they tend to do crazier and crazier things in the name of 'vampirism'. It's fake shit, but the crimes they commit can become frightening real. I myself have been intrigued by vampires since playing the whitewolf tabletop game with all the books about it, but I have never, nor will I ever adopt this stuff into my lifestyle the way that some youth of today have, including dressing up, playacting, etc. I simply like the lore.

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,6903,1071177,00.html

http://members.aol.com/waltonwj/ilf1.htm

Sick, twisted people.




EDIT: Look at this crap. Laughingly Pathetic.

http://vampiresarereal.blogspot.com/

 

[Blakeb155]

Dictionary.com defines vampires as:

A reanimated corpse that is believed to rise from the grave at night to suck the blood of sleeping people.

Now, I don't know about you, but I don't believe that anyone can come back from the dead(except that Jesus guy but that can be discussed in another thread) But if you define vampire as someone who sucks the blood of sleeping people from the throat, then I think they can be real. I'm sure there's some sick people out there that sharpen there teeth into fangs and go around living their dream of being a vampire.

 

[Raziaar]

Dictionary.com defines vampires as:

A reanimated corpse that is believed to rise from the grave at night to suck the blood of sleeping people.

Now, I don't know about you, but I don't believe that anyone can come back from the dead(except that Jesus guy but that can be discussed in another thread) But if you define vampire as someone who sucks the blood of sleeping people from the throat, then I think they can be real. I'm sure there's some sick people out there that sharpen there teeth into fangs and go around living their dream of being a vampire.

Exactly. It's just a bunch of sicko creeps who are so romanticized about the idea of a vampire that they just have to try to live their life as one. Sad really, and angering when you read those stories of murders in the name of vampirism.

 

[Burn]

Real life vampires?

How about... the first vampire ever, Vlad the Impaler? To who all vampires are based on?

Dont remember his story totally, I think he bathed in blood, he did'nt bite peoples necks and stuff.

 

[SupremePain]

Real life vampires?

How about... the first vampire ever, Vlad the Impaler? To who all vampires are based on?

Dont remember his story totally, I think he bathed in blood, he did'nt bite peoples necks and stuff.

He was also known as Dracula as that was a part of his name if i remember correctly, he would basicly impale people on poles outside his castle/town/whatever while they were alive, he was also known for eating dinner outside where the poles were mounted so he could se them die as he ate....... freaky, dunno if he drank blood.... and that bathing in blood was some crazy rich woman who thought that bathing in the blood of young virgin girls would keep her young. She hired them as maids, had them killed and their blood drained, crazy shiznitch!

Vampires are real. If you don’t believe me, then invite me into your house. If you are afraid, you should be because I hate unbelievers. I would as soon as kill you, as look upon you. This site is a warning to you and your kin. Read and beware—though I’m sure you will view it as a joke. In fact, I hope you view it as such. But when I come for you, don’t tell me I didn’t warn you!

LMFAO! that skinny ass über-goth can come to my house anytime and ill show him a magic-vampire-super-trick

my fist > his face

OWNED!

remember that american kid who killed a man? he broke into the mans house a bit him in the neck..... damn weirdos ;(

 

[The Dark Elf]

Exactly. It's just a bunch of sicko creeps who are so romanticized about the idea of a vampire that they just have to try to live their life as one. Sad really, and angering when you read those stories of murders in the name of vampirism.

haha, obviously you haven't a clue about real vampires as you think the teenage lot who read too many Rice books are "real vampires"

They aren't, their just the vampire version of the teenage wiccan with their love spells.

Real vampires don't come back from the dead, they aren't afraid of garlic or the sun.

Small minded people such as yourself and impressionable children cause others to believe real vampires are all satanic worshipping people when it couldn't be further from the truth.

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And @ Raziaar, please research before making dumbass posts like this offending other people's beliefs simply because you saw a news story and think it must be every vampire out there. If the general public had half a brain they'd not tar everyone with the same brush they use for these teenagers THEY themselves couldn't bring up properly and allowed to watch too much Buffy.

Your post is as insulting as if someone called you a pedophile just cause they read a story about one once.

 

[SupremePain]

:O whoa.... dark elf.... there is no such thing as real vampires, you do know that... right?

 

[The Dark Elf]

I don't believe that anyone can come back from the dead(except that Jesus guy but that can be discussed in another thread)

So what makes one guy getting up from the dead different from another? To believe its possible once you have to accept its possible with others too.

I neither believe vampires or jesus got up from the dead, when your dead your dead and you don't get back up unless its artificially/medical, but the hypocritical religions who believe he could and nobody else can makes me laugh. See HA HA HA.

 

[The Dark Elf]

:O whoa.... dark elf.... there is no such thing as real vampires, you do know that... right?

Mate.. real vampires are entirely different to your TV vampires, they aren't monsters, they aren't the walking undead, they are people who have their own beliefs and are getting sick of teenagers with no clue giving it a bad name by not having any idea what their doing, thinking dressing up in black and killing people is how its done LOL bollocks.

 

[Razor]

Vlad The Impaler ruled over Transylvania about 600 hundred years ago. Dracula was a title that was handed to him by his father, Vlad Dracule. His father was awarded the title Dracule, something about dragons, by the Catholic church for fighting the Turks and the Arabs. His son, also called Vlad, was given the title Dracula as Dracula means "the son of Dracule". He was nicknamed The Impaler because he impaled people outside his castle by shoving large spikes up their backsides and sticking them in the ground. He did go out and have dinner amongst the dying and dead people outside his castle and he also put basins underneath the bodies to catch the blood that dripped down from them. When the basins were full, he would dip his bread in the blood and suck on it.

The leader of the Turkish army heard about these rumours about his enemy doing this to prisoners, so he sent scouts up ahead of the main army to see if the rumours were true. When the scouts peered over the hill and saw the thousands of dead bodies stuck on spikes outside his castle, they ran back to the their commander who turned his army around and went home. Not sure how Vlad died but a few years after he was buried, some people went to dig up his grave and found that his grave was empty.

Vlad Dracula was the main guy that the author of Dracula used for his book, Bram Stoker i think?

 

[Razor]

Mate.. real vampires are entirely different to your TV vampires, they aren't monsters, they aren't the walking undead, they are people who have their own beliefs and are getting sick of teenagers with no clue giving it a bad name by not having any idea what their doing, thinking dressing up in black and killing people is how its done LOL bollocks.

I think most of todays goths get their ideas about vampirism from Buffy The Vampire Slayer or Angel. :hmph:

 

[The Dark Elf]

I think most of todays goths get their ideas about vampirism from Buffy The Vampire Slayer or Angel. :hmph:

Only the youngsters who don't know any better yeah. And then it makes those who take it seriously and are above all that sillyness look bad when these kids are running around killing people and trying to look as pale as possible and being all moody and evil.

Btw "goths" aren't vampires, infact a lot of "goths" aren't even into any of that. Being a "goth" (and im writing it like that because a regular goth now is just commercialised to the point of losing what it was originally about) isn't about being a vampire or wanting to die or kill people, it was about wanting to be yourself and expressing yourself, not following everyone else.

Course its all different now and has fallen into the very same thing it was trying to avoid in the beginning, so anyone who runs around claiming to be goth this goth that is likely in it just in it for the fashion and fallen in the trap of spending thousands on clothes. But yeah, a lot of the real ones likely wouldn't be into vampirism, they might find it interesting sure, but to actually do it _properly_ isn't for everything, can't just have a couple of kids cut each other and then think their vampires, doesn't work like that, there's a whole history behind the real thing thats quite the opposite of the whole death and undead version made popular by the media.

These kids and this common version that the media only see's, couldn't be further from the real thing if it tried. The fact they think there's any truth in any of the vampires on Buffy, Angel, Anne Rice books etc. and so on proves they don't know what their doing.

Those who are real vampires might think that stuff is pretty cool, but sure as hell don't believe in any of it lol. Yeah, would be pretty neat if vampires as shown in the movies and books did exist, but the same could be said for Elves, Unicorns, Trolls and Giants. Would be great if somewhere on the planet they existed, but the sad fact is they likely don't, so fantasy books and movies is where they'll have to stay.

 

[SupremePain]

Mate.. real vampires are entirely different to your TV vampires, they aren't monsters, they aren't the walking undead, they are people who have their own beliefs and are getting sick of teenagers with no clue giving it a bad name by not having any idea what their doing, thinking dressing up in black and killing people is how its done LOL bollocks.

aha, now i get it, you look at it as a sort of a religion.... but those people arnt vampires then... since they basicly have nothing to do with the definition of vampires other than drinking blood (they drink from eachother as a intimite thing)

this raises up a interresting point /me ponders but anyway as said a vampire pér definition is a person coming back from the dead feeding on blood.

 

[MigaS_tX]

Did you know that the "vampires" is a metaphoric way to tell the story of the ppl with AIDS? Think: they need "blood" to survive, they're not accepted by the society, the can only drink the blood (use a drug) hidden...

Anyway, those "real life vampires" are just stupid people, and i think they have a poor mind. :|

 

[The Dark Elf]

aha, now i get it, you look at it as a sort of a religion.... but those people arnt vampires then... since they basicly have nothing to do with the definition of vampires other than drinking blood (they drink from eachother as a intimite thing)

this raises up a interresting point /me ponders but anyway as said a vampire pér definition is a person coming back from the dead feeding on blood.

Yeah, I suppose you could call it a kind of religion to some, though its not in the traditional sense. I'm personally not religious, but I believe in the values it has, and it does involve various degree's of intimacy too.

It's far from evil though, and its far more tolerant than certain other religions I can think of. It's happy to stay out of the way and get on with things, its just when these kids come along, think they are vampires and then go off and kill someone.

Thats disturbing that these kids can actually _believe_ their a bloodsucking vampire who'll burn up in the daylight and have to kill people.

 

[The Dark Elf]

Did you know that the "vampires" is a metaphoric way to tell the story of the ppl with AIDS? Think: they need "blood" to survive, they're not accepted by the society, the can only drink the blood (use a drug) hidden...

Anyway, those "real life vampires" are just stupid people, and i think they have a poor mind. :|

Which type of real life vampires are you talking about?

The ones in the links at the start of the thread or the real ones who have nothing to do with that kind of behavior?

 

[Razor]

Dark Elf, do you follow vampirism?

 

[Orcone101]

Dark Elf, do you follow vampirism?

I'm thinking that way aswell...

 

[The Dark Elf]

Dark Elf, do you follow vampirism?

Yeah I do, the real kind not this embarrasing kind that gives it all a bad name.

Yeah I've got a thing for vampires too, the movie types (like in Van Helsing) but then I've got a thing for Elves aswell, and I assure you I can tell the difference between make believe and real, and I ain't never seen someone climb out of a fresh grave and start killing lol

 

[Orcone101]

Care to elaborate on what you do Elf?
I for one have no idea wtf the good kind of Vampirism is.

 

[The Monkey]

Yeah I do, the real kind not this embarrasing kind that gives it all a bad name.

So what is vampirism to you?

 

[SupremePain]

dark elf is teh bloodsucker! get em!
nah i think, he makes it pretty clear in his last post on page 1. By the way dark elf i agree with you, it is much more accepting and open than other religions. but be carefull using the words real vampires, because it can be misunderstood

 

[The Dark Elf]

Care to elaborate on what you do Elf?
I for one have no idea wtf the good kind of Vampirism is.

Well I can't go into detail, takes far too long to explain it. But basically its about values, tolerance and the connection with others. Kinda the sharing of blood being the closest you can be to someone, male, female, friend, lover. Doesn't matter as its on a different level. It's not about sex (though it does make that more interesting) It's about becoming a part of someone else and them a part of you, linked closely to how people used to and still do cut themselves and mix their blood as a pact or bond.

It never teaches you to go out and kill, its all very detailed and maticulously planned, its very safe (hence why you don't just go out and try it with someone who hasn't experience in it) you never do it with just anyone only with those who are 110% sure about it, you can't just walk into it as nobody who does this properly would simply do it with anyone just cause they asked.

Some do it for the enjoyment alone, some do it for the beliefs and the bond it has. Some such as myself do it for all the reasons behind it, yes you can dress up and have ceremonies which makes it more of an event and more special, which I enjoy. Also with sharing blood and being a part of each other its like a line of children, a family so to speak, a small part of you moves down through the line (there's the other vampire link). Which again is closer to the whole family unit than it could ever be to killing anything.

There's no racism or hate for people that are different cause everyone has blood in them, we're all the same really. So it teaches you to be more respectful for others too, if their black, white, disabled, old, young. Everyone is still the same thing undernearth.

The main thing about it though is the bond and the closeness between those you've done it with, its like unbreakable and you always have that link with them whatever happens. And its that that makes it special I think, IMO anyway.

Which is why those who practice the real version don't appreciate these kids giving it a bad name, they have very little connection to the real thing, the real thing is far deeper and certainly does not approve of the things these idiots keep doing in the same name.

And no, any sites you find on google are not related to any of this, I avoid things like that simply cause more often than not their written by people who read a book on vampires once and took it as gospel, again these people even if their trying not to, do give it a bad name simply because they don't understand what their doing. Or their doing it for all the wrong reasons.

 

[Raziaar]

haha, obviously you haven't a clue about real vampires as you think the teenage lot who read too many Rice books are "real vampires"

They aren't, their just the vampire version of the teenage wiccan with their love spells.

Real vampires don't come back from the dead, they aren't afraid of garlic or the sun.

Small minded people such as yourself and impressionable children cause others to believe real vampires are all satanic worshipping people when it couldn't be further from the truth.

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And @ Raziaar, please research before making dumbass posts like this offending other people's beliefs simply because you saw a news story and think it must be every vampire out there. If the general public had half a brain they'd not tar everyone with the same brush they use for these teenagers THEY themselves couldn't bring up properly and allowed to watch too much Buffy.

Your post is as insulting as if someone called you a pedophile just cause they read a story about one once.

Yeesh. Who woulda thought I would have offended someone on these forums.

Pfft.


EDIT: and Dark Elf, if you weren't so eager to spout out your bullshit insults at me, you would have noticed I was talking about people who kill in the name of vampirism.

Unless of course, that was the very thing you were defending against. :thumbs:

 

[Razor]

Dark Elf, you can't really moan at Raziaar for posting what he did and 99% of people are quite ignorant to the whole of vampirism and don't know that the religion isn't about killing someone. But now that you have explained it, no one that has read this thread can make the same mistake.

But how did you get into the whole vampirism thing? From the way you put it across, it does seem like a society that is very accepting, but doesn't just accept people off the street until they think you're ready to be apart of it?

 

[The Dark Elf]

Yeesh. Who woulda thought I would have offended someone on these forums.

Pfft.


EDIT: and Dark Elf, if you weren't so eager to spout out your bullshit insults at me, you would have noticed I was talking about people who kill in the name of vampirism.

Unless of course, that was the very thing you were defending against. :thumbs:

heh I was just annoyed at how the thread was going to end up is all, don't worry about it

 

[Raziaar]

heh I was just annoyed at how the thread was going to end up is all, don't worry about it

Ehh, i'm just a little peeved as well, at how much of this forum slanders other religious faiths freely on the other topic of yours, where I merely talk about killers who murder in the name of vampirism and get jumped upon.

<shrugs>

 

[The Dark Elf]

Dark Elf, you can't really moan at Raziaar for posting what he did and 99% of people are quite ignorant to the whole of vampirism and don't know that the religion isn't about killing someone. But now that you have explained it, no one that has read this thread can make the same mistake.

But how did you get into the whole vampirism thing? From the way you put it across, it does seem like a society that is very accepting, but doesn't just accept people off the street until they think you're ready to be apart of it?

It's accepting but there's a lot to watch out for, part of the reason I won't go too much into it is I don't want someone reading it and thinking if they try it themselves their somehow part of it, they'll likely injure themselves badly and the site would be blamed.

Also there are those who cut themselves because of depression or feeling alone or whatever reason. These people very easily slip into things like this thinking its where they belong, and thats not how it works, if your cutting yourself then you need help, not to be a part of something where such things form the basis of it. It wouldn't do them any good atall, which is proof by the way the kids going off killing people, often they started out depressed and suffering from self mutilation before being fooled into thinking these things on TV are real.

As for how I got into it, places I went people I got to know, a woman especially, and it was quite some time before she thought I was ready. At no time though was anyone I know forced into it, nobody hands over any money, there's no "club", your not expected to do anything special, or wear certain clothes, you can stop whenever you like.

 

[Deacon_]

Hey, you guys watch discovery, right?
I saw a program there about some kind of syndrome or disease or whatever in the 1300's that made people look all dried up, and toned their cheeks so their bones stuck out, also something messed up with their jaw so the diameter of the mouth was abnormally small. And whaddya know? They looked just like vampires. (Nah, it wasn't the black plagues or anything, don't remember what it was called)

What pisses me off is that alot of kids these days start drinking each other's blood because they see it on TV, and think "Hey, that seems like some kind of group. I'm not a member of any group. Maybe i should join them and start looking all scary and acting all antisocial and crap! Wow, i'm finally on my way to be as cool as the goths on my block!"

Whatevah.
I take pleasure from seeing those people get yelled at by their parents, and buying bubble gum. There's just something disturbing about a goth/vampire buying bubblebum. Especially the pink type.


And most scientists agree that this is what the vampire myths were derived from.

 

[The Dark Elf]

Hey, you guys watch discovery, right?
I saw a program there about some kind of syndrome or disease or whatever in the 1300's that made people look all dried up, and toned their cheeks so their bones stuck out, also something messed up with their jaw so the diameter of the mouth was abnormally small. And whaddya know? They looked just like vampires. (Nah, it wasn't the black plagues or anything, don't remember what it was called)

Also the desease with the skin that prevents some people being in sunlight or bright light (depending on how bad it is) without blistering. Same with eyesight and brightness, and also the desease where someone is unable to replace their own blood, aswell as those who's blood cannot clot and can die from blood loss from a simple cut. They've all been said to have been the inspiration for vampires in stories.

 

[Raziaar]

Honestly speaking, The only interesting vampirism stuff for me is the white wolf RPG stuff. With the Brujah, and the Gangrel, Nosferatu, etc. The lore is awesome. Can't stand any of that dracula stuff.

 

[Deacon_]

Yeah, Vampires masquerade and the clans and stuff.
That dracula stuff is clichè like hell.
I kinda like the lestat stuff though.

 

[Farrowlesparrow]

Maybe all theses things do exist, and they're just very good at hiding it...

Never dimiss anything, because to do that would be suggesting you know everything. Having faith(I suppose you could say just having an opinion) in something is a different matter though. You can believe something to be true, but to flat out state something is or isn't just doesn't work.

 

[Raziaar]

Maybe all theses things do exist, and they're just very good at hiding it...

Like Santa Clause, the Easter Bunny, Tooth Fairy, Boogeyman, and washing machine sock theft gnomes. :thumbs:

 

[Farrowlesparrow]

Like Santa Clause, the Easter Bunny, Tooth Fairy, Boogeyman, and washing machine sock theft gnomes. :thumbs:

Don't be silly, everyone knows they don't exist. They were all killed off years ago, along with leprachauns and dodos.


Though there is still a variety of gnome left. It is however the lesser Gnomus hortus ortum, otherwise known as the Garden Gnome. It is a rare night indeed that you will see one rise from its slumber. They have very slowmetabolisms and do not require food for years at a time. However, this means they must spend most of their time sleeping so as not to use too much energy at a time.

 

[Deacon_]

... Did you know that saint claus actually was a child molester?
Fact!

 

[Farrowlesparrow]

... Did you know that saint claus actually was a child molester?
Fact!

Detol kills germs dead! Fact!

 

[Raziaar]

This thread is veering off topic!

Fact!

 

[Deacon_]

Who needs topics, eh? eh?
But okay, to help start up the good ole' topicmachine...

VAMPIRES!

 

[satch919]

Crazy. I can't believe that people take this stuff seriously.

Although, when you think about it, religions like Christianity and Catholicism do the same kind of weird stuff. The preists and leaders dress up in crazy costumes to worship a god in the sky. They even symbolically drink the blood of Christ. Not much difference other than that one has been accepted and the other hasn't. Both are equally rediculous.

Oh and check out this pic that i took while browsing this topic. I thought it was rather weird.

Take a look at the ad:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v53/satch919/crazy.jpg