Religion and Science clashing again!

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Well I digged up this article, it seems its back to the Dawrin versus the Divine creator paradox. I hope you have a great read.

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/6884904/site/newsweek/

Its nice to note that they are teaching alternatives to the Darwin theory but all this suing and violation of state laws seems to be a bit melodramatic.

Heres my theory...


The greatest Paradox of all. "We created ourselves!"

We go back in time and cause the chain reaction which brings around life on Earth, the ultimate circle of life.
 
But that makes no sense, because how were we created by ourselves from the future? Because, if so, before say 2100(just a year for when we'd travel back in time to start this chain reaction), we wouldn't exist, if that theory is correct we shouldn't exist.

-Edit- I'm rambling, what I mean is, how was the human that travels back in time to start this chain reaction born? Because before "he" traveled back in time to start the chain reaction that creates Earth there shouldn't've been any humans...?!
 
Ugh.... dumbasses. Church and education should be seperated no matter what. Second, intelligent design isn't science at all, not in the least.
 
How British schools teach it, and how all schools should teach it, is that Science teaches evolution, Religious Education teaches creationism, and let the teaches teach it in a way where the children are free to make up their own mind.

I believe god created the universe, and nothing more and that humans did infact evolve from monkeys.
 
Intelligent Design or creation science are both misleading terms for the same: creatonism, which bassicly comes down to god created earth/everything. There are a few problems for that idea:
- there's fysical proof for the competing theory "evolution theory" but none for creatonism.
- there's no proof of the supposed god, evidence nowdays even points to the idea that religion is a meme. ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meme )
 
But if god created the universe than who created god? And who created the being that created god? And who created the being that created the being that created god and so on?
 
Gargantou said:
But if god created the universe than who created god? And who created the being that created god? And who created the being that created the being that created god and so on?
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Well god has always been here...in a sense.
 
"Some would ask, how could a perfect God create a universe filled with so much that is evil. They have missed a greater conundrum: why would a perfect God create a universe at all?"

Sorry, just thought that was a really good quote.
 
Not trying to start a religion flame war so here it goes...

Basically god is infallible...since he is the highest power and so on and so forth we couldn't really understand why he does the things he does.

Get my point?Sure we understand the will of god...love thy neighbor and family...thy shall not murder...etc.

I will say this...it is possible to understand why he does some things, but as a big picture it's really unknown.
 
I assume you believe in the Christian god?
If I am to believe in god I believe in there being only one god that follows no strict religion, I believe, if there is a god, there's only one, everyone believes in him, muslims etc, the difference is that they all interprent(SP?) him differently, but for now I'm not believing in a god.
 
Gargantou said:
I assume you believe in the Christian god?
If I am to believe in god I believe in there being only one god that follows no strict religion, I believe, if there is a god, there's only one, everyone believes in him, muslims etc, the difference is that they all interprent(SP?) him differently, but for now I'm not believing in a god.
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Your assumption is wrong. ;)

I was raised on christanity by my grandma...shes one of the few true christians now'n days that actually truely follows what jesus taught and isn't a bigot or ignorant.

But I was also raised in a bad life which allowed me to see all religions and so on and so forth.

I believe in a god you pretty much described.
 
article said:
that God's perfect creation culminated on the sixth day with the making of man in his image.
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The whole "who created who?" argument is based on our concept of time and space, if there some consciousness out there it must surely be beyond our comprehension, because by our experience everything has an age.
 
How pleasant that we understand eachother :)

Look mods, a topic about religion with no flames in it, awesome ain't it? Evolution at work!:laugh::)
 
But if god created the universe than who created god? And who created the being that created god? And who created the being that created the being that created god and so on?
I have no idea -- well, I do. A guess in this area, tells me that if a God did exist, he would'nt be the "Poof!" I'am here kind of God. He would have to be the God of life.

He used to be a floating blob of non-matter until he realized this; and suddenly went "OMFG". And when he heard himself say that, he soon realized, not only did he exist, but he could control and think.

We could call him the first thing in the known universe to say OMFG, but thats just me.
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there is only one truism when it comes to religion:


"God has no place within these walls, just as facts
have no place within organized religion." --Superintendent Chalmers
 
K e r b e r o s said:
... wait a moment ... were'nt you a catholic Stern?
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If he was so what?

People can change.
 
K e r b e r o s said:
... wait a moment ... were'nt you a catholic Stern?
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I was born catholic ..saw the light by the time I was 11
 
Tr0n said:
If he was so what?

People can change.
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You're right.
When I was born, my parents called me Mary, and look at me now! Well, I'm still called Mary, but I've learned how to wear boxershorts :naughty:
 
PvtRyan said:
You're right.
When I was born, my parents called me Mary, and look at me now! Well, I'm still called Mary, but I've learned how to wear boxershorts :naughty:
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Wait wtf?
 
Hello Atheist here. I respect the fact people have faith in religion and such like that help them when they need it in everyday life. But the concept we were modelled out of adam and eve, that a snake can talk, and that we can walk on water...i can go on with the silly things in the bible. There are so many flaws, and we seem to prove many things in the bible wrong every day. e.g. the sun doesnt go around us, theres no physical space for a soul, reproduction is brought about by gametes and fertilisation (not a gift from god), dinosaurs in the bible? where? Christians actually believe the world is around 2000 years old, seriously. Even though we can prove its not. 2000 years because they added up all the ages of the people in the bible. hmmmm. Dinosaurs i guess were just placed there for no reason, or to test our faith? Yeah that makes sense. So many things dont add up in the Christian faith, yet people still follow it, even though society has moved on from being heavily reliant on it.
Theres plenty of stuff to discuss there above, tis not my attempt at causing a flame, but my opinions from the other side. I have no problem with people having their faith...please dont confuse that. I feel that these people are weaker minded than those who are willing to accept, that this is just it. We die, there is no afterlife. Feel free to challenge all this stuff. :)
 
Well it's a win win siutation in my mind...

If there isn't an afterlife...so what?Eternal sleep forever...I would actually like that.

If there is a afterlife...then hey!Awsome!I get to do whatever it is that afterlife is about...I would really like that also.
 
Tr0n said:
Well it's a win win siutation in my mind...

If there isn't an afterlife...so what?Eternal sleep forever...I would actually like that.

If there is a afterlife...then hey!Awsome!I get to do whatever it is that afterlife is about...I would really like that also.
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ya but what if only the ultra religious were the only ones who were saved? everyone else burns in hell!!
 
CptStern said:
ya but what if only the ultra religious were the only ones who were saved? everyone else burns in hell!!
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Well I don't believe that...Like I stated above.

So no worries. :D
 
CptStern said:
ya but what if only the ultra religious were the only ones who were saved? everyone else burns in hell!!
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Man, if that happens...who would WANT to go to heaven...all the ultra-religious people I've met (admittedly with a couple notable exceptions) are quite the assholes. Snooty, at the least.
 
Tr0n said:
Well I don't believe that...Like I stated above.

So no worries. :D
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What if the religion that beliefs Jesus was from Cleveland was right? You're going to hell buddy.
 
PvtRyan said:
What if the religion that beliefs Jesus was from Cleveland was right? You're going to hell buddy.
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He's a yankee!?!?! :O
 
He_Who_Is_Steve said:
Man, if that happens...who would WANT to go to heaven...all the ultra-religious people I've met (admittedly with a couple notable exceptions) are quite the assholes. Snooty, at the least.
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ah all the cool people are in hell anyways

heaven: ned Flanders ......ummmm the pope? the dog from David and Goliath? "i dont know daaaavey that sounds like a SIN"

hell: Hendrix, Plato, Bob Marley, Lennon, Jimmy swaggart etc :E
 
Funny how we took the thread off topic but yet kept it on topic.

:O

Understand?
 
My belief, you just have to believe in God and believe in his ways i.e. being good to one another, helping one another, to get into heaven. When it comes to religion, why should i believe in a religion that wants me to abuse and belittle my next door neighbour as he might be a muslim, a homosexual, a satanist, an athiest, etc.

A truely religious person would never force their beliefs on anyone and accepts a person for whom they are without judging them, whatever their beliefs or life style. There aren't many religious people who would fit into that category.

So if any religious asks whether i believe in creationism or evolution, i will just tell them that i believe in both - that god created the universe and sat back, without interfering, and watched what happened.
 
Razor said:
A truely religious would never force their beliefs on anyone and accepts a person for whom they are without judging them, whatever their beliefs or life style. There aren't many religious people who would fit into that category.
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quoted for emphasis ..I seem to be doing that a lot today :D
 
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