Same sex marriage

[Korgoth]

Well with all the BS going on in San Fran right now, what is your opinion on the matter? Should same sex couples be allowed to marry? Or is it total sin...

 

[Sprafa]

Of course it should not be allowed.


opinion - Nature made us in order to reproduce.
They are using their bodies as an instrument of pleazure. That I agree. We have concience and we need pleazure sometimes. But to make a plazerous relationshp more that a 1 night stand I don't agree.

edit - Wheres the option - "I don't agree."

Its sin, no way, the bible warns against it...

I'm not religious but I'm against homosexual marriage. They can date, but marriage is one step too far away. I don't have anything against homosexuality itself, but ot the fact they try to endure their entire lives without reproducng, as we are meant to, using this ritual that is sacred to some ppl and that they usually only use in order to get more attentio on them.

 

[ray_MAN]

According to God it is a sin. I am not very religious, so I say it's their feelings. If God hates it so much, why did he make them that way? Sprafa, qckbeam was gay. I don't hate gays. I appreciate their feelings for eachother.

 

[Korgoth]

Damn you guys are fast, you got here before i put the poll up lol

 

[Varg|Hund]

Of course it should be allowed!
Love is love, no matter the gender.

 

[Korgoth]

I say it should be allowed. I doesn't really affect me. And if they burn in hell for all eternity its their problem not mine. (not saying thats my belief) Point is, how is two gay people getting married going to affect me directly? It won't, so I don't care.

 

[thenerdguy]

I have to go with its a sin! And God did not make them that way. They made a choice.

 

[Korgoth]

Of course it should be allowed.
They should be shot afterwards anyway....

opinion - Nature made us in order to reproduce.
They are using their bodies as an instrument of pleazure. That I agree. We have concience and we need pleazure sometimes. But to make a plazerous relationshp more that a 1 night stand I don't agree.

edit - Wheres the option - "I don't agree."

I'm not religious but I'm against homosexual marriage. They can date, but marriage is one step too far away. I don't have anything against homosexuality itself, but ot the fact they try to endure their entire lives without reproducng, as we are meant to, using this ritual that is sacred to some ppl and that they usually only use in order to get more attentio on them.

Well i can't edit it so i guess just consider that the option for i don't agree. Sorry, should have thought it through a little more i guess

 

[wowyouareacow]

Yea they should be allowed to get married.
Who gives a ****.
Just shoot some of them when they have those gay parades.

 

[Sprafa]

I say it should be allowed. I doesn't really affect me. And if they burn in hell for all eternity its their problem not mine. (not saying thats my belief) Point is, how is two gay people getting married going to affect me directly? It won't, so I don't care.

So you're an island in the world?
It affects everyone.
The fact is that they use their bodies as instruments for pleazure and do not reproduce. And that I'm against. They can date, screw themselves all th way, but to not to go all your life without reproducing in 1st world countries (were ppl is needed) is wrong.

 

[Varg|Hund]

The fact is that they use their bodies as instruments for pleazure and do not reproduce. And that I'm against. They can date, screw themselves all th way, but to not to go all your life without reproducing in 1st world countries (were ppl is needed) is wrong.

Why? You don't have to have children, you know. It's not your 'duty towards society'.
If anyone doesn't want to have any children, it's completely up to them.

EDIT: Where's the option for 'I'm gay and should have the same rights as everyone else'?

 

[Korgoth]

agh, i'd edit the options if i could, sorry i can't... And if you ask me the world is a little over populated as is, we do good to have a few less.

 

[Varg|Hund]

agh, i'd edit the options if i could, sorry i can't... And if you ask me the world is a little over populated as is, we do good to have a few less.

Ask a mod to edit them for you

EDIT: The options, not the people in the overpopulated world.

 

[Korgoth]

MOD: Could you edit my poll options to say: I thnk it should be allowed, and I don't think it should be allowed, and anything else these people want it to say

 

[Sprafa]

And if you ask me the world is a little over populated as is, we do good to have a few less.

The world is over populated in a few areas I agree. But we still have a long way till worldwide overpopulation.
We should reproduce at least until were 30 000 000 000. Then to other planets. and then 100 000 000 000 all over the Solar System. And when we colonized other system, the human race would be able to reproduce till the infinite.

Notice - They can **** themselves all they want. But to make it a long-lasting realtionship thru a Cristhian ritual that most don't even believe in - wrong.

 

[Zakat]

I'm definitly for it.

I mean, sure, we can't reproduce, but, does that mean we don't deserve the same rights as anyone else?

And anyone who replies, "It's a sin" should stop being tards, btw, remember what it says in the bible..? "Love thy fellow man".


For your info too, if you havn't already understood it, I'm gay(Bisexual).

 

[Zakat]

Sprafa, You do know, we'd just start destroying and polluting the space as we're destryoing the Earth, everytime mankind face a new environment it fights it.

In my oppinion, colonizing space will lead to more wars, bigger ones too, Dude, I mean, jesus, we could face something like a "Solar War"(A war involving united groups from both solar systems).

 

[thehunter1320]

don't like the practice of being gay, but i wouldn't hold it against anyone as long as they were good people... like qckbeam.... i miss him... ;(

 

[Maxi]

Im against it, because think about the child growing up... having gay parents.... imo he would get teased alot in school and after...

 

[Sprafa]

In my oppinion, colonizing space will lead to more wars, bigger ones too, Dude, I mean, jesus, we could face something like a "Solar War"(A war involving united groups from both solar systems).

Nope.
When we develop weapons capable to create distortions on stars enough to generate supernovas, MAT will apply. And we'll find these weapons long before we colonize other systems.

 

[Sprafa]

Im against it, because think about the child growing up... having gay parents.... imo he would get teased alot in school and after...

For the homosexuals adopt children is not always bad.
They, since have decided to use their bodies as instruments of pleazure instead of reproduction, decide to take an abandoned children, are still helping the race. And with that I agree, since most heterosexual parents don't adopt and childs have to grow in isolation.

 

[Fat Tony!]

Marrying has legal benifits such as inhereitence and pensions and stuff.....so i think it would be unfair to deny them of it..
edit- but in a registry office not a church

 

[Varg|Hund]

Im against it, because think about the child growing up... having gay parents.... imo he would get teased alot in school and after...

Not if everyone actively works for making gay marriages and relationships an accepted and normal part of society.
Everybody needs to understand that there's nothing wrong with gay parents and couples!

 

[Zakat]

*Closed*

 

[Wilco]

Sprafa, can I ask, why? What is the point in reproducing for the sake of it? It happens naturally, but there isnt a point to it. I cannot see why we should actively go out of our way to procreate, especially in 1st world countries, its not going to bring any benefits.

Now back to the question. I said in another thread that it depends on what marriage you are talking about. If you are talking about a religious marriage in christianity etc, the it depends on the religion itself, Its a private community that can decide what it allows, if you dont agree dont be part of the religion.

When it comes to legal and civil rights then I think that you shouldnt discriminate against people because of their sexuality, they should get the same rights as everyone else.

On the idea of homosexuality, I believe it doesnt affect anyone else, unless they make it their problem, what happens between 2 consenting adults is not my concern.

 

[Sprafa]

Well, maybe I should explain myself.
I'm against all forms of marriage, homosexual or heterosexual. It is a ritual I'm strongly against.
But even more on the homosexual case, b/c of ther factors listed above.

 

[JonTheCanuck]

i dont see why we need to reproduce more, the worlds already overpopulated and still growing. We cant support ourselves half the time, its getting too crowded. As for the gay marriage, i dont really know the deal of being gay, chances r yur probably born with it, and i dont wanna treat it like its a problem requiring fixing. If 2 people r in love, let them get married, i just dont wanna see them making out in public or something.

 

[mchammer75040]

The world is over populated in a few areas I agree. But we still have a long way till worldwide overpopulation.
We should reproduce at least until were 30 000 000 000. Then to other planets. and then 100 000 000 000 all over the Solar System. And when we colonized other system, the human race would be able to reproduce till the infinite.

Notice - They can **** themselves all they want. But to make it a long-lasting realtionship thru a Cristhian ritual that most don't even believe in - wrong.

Yea I gotta say even though Im bi (err questioning that really..) I do kinda agree with you. I dont agree with the reproducing part, mainly because of what Jon said, if they choose to not have kids that could actually do alot of good. For one they will probably adopt, which will keep kids off the streets.
But I do agree with being against marriage in general and it being a Christian ritual. The Christian religion is supposed to be against gays but people keep twisting it to fit their needs the either need to ditch it all together or keep it as is.(im not religious)

 

[Sprafa]

....Im bi....

/me removes mchammer75040 from buddy list.

J/k


As long as you don't get married with another man (or woman - I really don't know your sex) its fine by me.

 

[mchammer75040]

/me removes mchammer75040 from buddy list.

J/k


As long as you don't get married with another man (or woman - I really don't know your sex) its fine by me.

lmao well dont worry Im more attracted to women anyways, I just use guys as my...toys .

 

[Zakat]

Bah why is mrBadger gone to the pub now, he'd just love this thread.

 

[Sprafa]

Bah why is mrBadger gone to the pub now, he'd just love this thread.

He seems to online on Xfire.I'll call him.

 

[Varg|Hund]

Bah why is mrBadger gone to the pub now, he'd just love this thread.

Hehe, yeah =)

 

[OCybrManO]

God didn't make them that way? Why, then, are they (gay men) sexually attracted to other men and have no interest in women? They weren't raised to believe that being gay is what they are supposed to do. They didn't just wake up one day and decide that they want to be gay. If gay men could choose to date women instead of angering the entire Christian community I'm sure they would... but they can't. Being gay is as much their fault as retarded people are to blame for being born that way.

... and I don't understand how an infinitely caring and forgiving God could send his own creations to hell for something that they have absolutely no control over. If people that break the ten commandments can be saved why should gay people go to hell? Also, it says in the Bible that judgement should be left to God... so, who are we to tell gay people that they can't get married (by the state, which is supposed to protect the rights of all people... not just Christians, as they seem to think)?

There are 7 billion people and growing... yet gay people have been around since long before the Greeks... and they were accepted at the time. I don't see how gay people are going to suddenly cause the extinction of the human race if they aren't treated as second-rate human beings. The person that says we should grow to 30 billion people and then move to other planets is exactly what Agent Smith was talking about when he said humans are a virus. We reproduce until we exhaust the resources, then we move to another place and repeat the process. We should think about slowing down...

Marrying has legal benifits such as inhereitence and pensions and stuff.....so i think it would be unfair to deny them of it..

Exactly. What happens if a woman is in love with a female police officer and she gets killed? Answer: Everything goes to the family of the woman that died. Her lover gets nothing unless the family lets her have it. If she doesn't have a family, too bad.

Sprafa, they can't get married because they think sex is for pleasure? OMG that is the most hilarious thing I have read today! Do you realize how many people have unmarried sex for pleasure? I'm talking about religious people, too. I'm holding back out of principle, but most other people I know would (or do) have sex if they get the chance. That argument hasn't worked for decades...

Anyway, any legislature that bans gay marriage based on religious arguments would be overturned by the Supreme Court for being unconstitutional, due to the separation of church and state.

Just leave them alone. If any other less popular religion said something contradicting Christianity legislature based on it wouldn't even be considered. How does having more people belonging to a religion make it the right religion? It doesn't.

Besides, making gay marriage legal doesn't mean that everyone has to turn gay and marry a person of the same sex (that's the only rational reason I could think of for being against it). It does not harm anyone else in any way.

This reminds me a lot of racism and black people being treated as inferior people for being born black... but gay people are a bit harder to spot.

 

[Zakat]

Sprafa, I know he's away, he's gonne be back in about 45 minutes ^^;

Mr.Badger is like a big brother too me XDD He always helps me with women >_>;

 

[mchammer75040]

I love you cyber... :burp:
seriously though great post, too bad this is about to turn into a religious argument..alright im out all gonna play some UT2k4, maybe make out with a guy between rounds or something... :rolling:

 

[Varg|Hund]

/me also loves cyber.

 

[Sprafa]

God didn't make them that way? Why, then, are they (gay men) sexually attracted to other men and have no interest in women? They weren't raised to believe that being gay is what they are supposed to do. They didn't just wake up one day and decide that they want to be gay. If gay men could choose to date women instead of angering the entire Christian community I'm sure they would... but they can't. Being gay is as much their fault as retarded people are to blame for being born that way.

This isn't genetical. At least not at full. There is some mind parts in it, mentality that is learned.

There are 7 billion people and growing... yet gay people have been around since long before the Greeks... and they were accepted at the time. I don't see how gay people are going to suddenly cause the extinction of the human race if they aren't treated as second-rate human beings.

I am not against homosexuality itself. I agree that it should be accepted. One thing - the Greeks did ****ed each other any time. But they still married with other sex ppl. That was the ideal way.

The person that says we should grow to 30 billion people and then move to other planets is exactly what Agent Smith was talking about when he said humans are a virus. We reproduce until we exhaust the resources, then we move to another place and repeat the process. We should think about slowing down...

No we shouldn't. We are made to reproduce until the infinit. There must be no limit.

]Exactly. What happens if a woman is in love with a female police officer and she gets killed? Answer: Everything goes to the family of the woman that died. Her lover gets nothing unless the family lets her have it. If she doesn't have a family, too bad.

This is why I'm agaisnt marriage.

Sprafa, they can't get married because they think sex is for pleasure? OMG that is the most hilarious thing I have read today! Do you realize how many people have unmarried sex for pleasure? I'm talking about religious people, too. I'm holding back out of principle, but most other people I know would (or do) have sex if they get the chance. That argument hasn't worked for decades...

You didn't got the point.

Gay ppl = great thing
Gay marriage = not so great

Why - I'm already agaisnt marriage.
And the ownings of the person if dead - I believe we would all profit if it all capital went to the State when a person died and ppl only sticked with furniture and personal ownings so...
homosexuality is OK, it is to explore one by the intervention of another. But this is an relationship that is based interely upon pleasure. No actual results (reproduction) is made. All relationships between humans should lead to reproduction. It is the Nature of things - born, grow, reproduce, die. The cycle is the same for all living things.
As we have conscience, we have pleasure on a sexual intercourse so that we wan to do it. Thats the thruth. Sugar is sweet because it has calories. Sex is pleasurous becase it is necessary for the endurance if the race. Our brain makes it good so we eat/****.
And these ppl use those points that our brain makes "exciting" by intercourse between 2 ppl of the same sex. OK by me.
But to live under these relationships, denying the natural course of things isn't OK. We are made to reproduce, it is the sole meaning of life.

 

[PvtRyan]

I've posted about this before, and my only conclusion was: there is no real argument to be against it, it's just your short mindedness doing the talking.
Just accept them, they're not out to destroy the human race, no really they're not.
I don't care if someone is attracted by the same sex, it's their choice, you have no saying about that. I can't stand the queerish female behavior that sometimes comes with it, but that doesn't mean they don't deserve the same rights as us.

Since when is reproducing a condition to get married and not a choice from the couple? I don't care if a straight couple or a gay couple choose not to get children. Who f*cking cares that they don't have children? It's a choice!
And I suppose you think a straight couple who don't get children shouldn't get married either Sprafa?

The the argument of 'marriage is sacred'.... yeah that in a world where 50% of the marriages ends in a divorce... sure, sacred... right.

And then the religious aspect. If you are guided by your religion to form your opinion about certain people, than you're a pathetic person in my book. If it tells you to disprove certain groups of people, and you listen to it, you ought to get an own opinion.
And don't your religions tell you to love your fellow person? And isn't that a lot more important than it saying only a man and a woman can get married?

And then there's the legal aspect. Getting married offers a wide range of financial benefits, with taxes and stuff. Do you really think gay people don't deserve these rights?

 

[BlackWolfdrk]

im sorry but i do not beleive in same sex marriage i dont mind people being homosexual thats their descision as long as they dont try to convert otheres into being gay but same sex marriage is just wrong. I also dont beleive in same sex couples adobting children