Scotland why would you do this?

[unozero]

Barack Obama leads condemnation of Scotland for freeing Lockerbie bomber

The US President’s criticism of the “mistake” added to a growing backlash against the Scottish decision to free the biggest mass murderer in British legal history on compassionate grounds.

Hours after the Scottish National Party administration in Edinburgh announced its decision to free him, Abdelbaset Ali Mohmed Al Megrahi, the only man convicted of the 1988 atrocity, flew home to a hero’s welcome in Tripoli.

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WTF Scotland :X

 

[G(ordon)-man]

Now Scotland will never get it's independence!

 

[CptStern]

The Scottish Justice Secretary explained that Scottish law dictates that terminally ill prisoners, with less than 3 months to live may be released from prison. He stated: "Our belief dictates that justice be served but mercy be shown." After considering detailed medical reports concerning al Megrahiâ??s terminal prostate cancer, he had ruled that al-Megrahi "be released on compassionate grounds and be allowed to return to Libya to die."

http://peacesecurity.suite101.com/article.cfm/lockerbie_bomber_freed_under_scots_law

 

[unozero]

may...They didn't have to certainl,y not for someone who is responsible for so many deaths.

 

[CptStern]

you'll have to ask the judge why he felt so compelled to follow the law. it wasnt a decision made out of the blue. I'm sure it was requested

 

[shortsite]

I am still shocked and ashamed by what has happened.
As a Scot born and bred in Glasgow I am ashamed.
I have no idea what the justice system were doing , I really dont.

shortsite

 

[Kadayi]

may...They didn't have to certainly not for someone who is responsible for so many deaths.

As I understand it there's a bit of a question mark over whether he actually was involved, and not just a political scapegoat (for all anyone knows Mossad could of planted the bomb as part of a false flag operation). However regardless the man is on his last legs, so it seems to me it's wholly acceptable to let him die with his family. Sure it sucks if you believe he did it, but then again isn't it a good Christian thing to forgive people their trespasses against you? And isn't the US a Christian nation?

Fact of the matter is, if he was not allowed to go home and die (like most people are in his situation) simply out of petty spite on the behalf of dead people what good purpose would it serve? Do you think it would make Muslims around the world reassess the West in some degree, or do you think it would give them cause to hate the West more?

 

[Krynn72]

I'm siding with Scotland. I believe Mercy should be shown to anyone who it can safely be shown too. The guy is about to die, let him die with his family. What are we if we do the same evil acts as he did?

 

[<RJMC>]

wonder how reactions will be if a man acussed of killing various muslins is liberated and received whit such gratitude in a western country

 

[unozero]

What meaning does a life sentence have then?

 

[Kadayi]

wonder how reactions will be if a man acussed of killing various muslins is liberated and received whit such gratitude in a western country

I'm pretty sure most of the world condemns what the IDF get up to in Palestine, though the US as always rarely disagrees.

What meaning does a life sentence have then?

A life sentence in the UK means 25 years without parole generally.

 

[unozero]

he served 8 years iirc...

 

[Kadayi]

he served 8 years iirc...

If he was healthy then he's serve the rest of the 25 years. But he has terminal cancer so is being released early on compassionate grounds. He's not being paroled for good behaviour or anything. You do know he's being released because he's dying, yes? And not just for the lulz.

 

[<RJMC>]

I'm pretty sure most of the world condemns what the IDF get up to in Palestine, though the US as always rarely disagrees.

and what does palestine have to do whit this?

i think the bad thing is how he was received "yay you are a suspect of a terrorist attack yay!"

wonder what your reaction will be when the head of blackwater dont go to jail

 

[Kadayi]

and what does palestine have to do whit this?

i think the bad thing is how he was received "yay you are a suspect of a terrorist attack yay!"

wonder what your reaction will be when the head of blackwater dont go to jail

Would I be pleased do you mean? Frankly I think your talking to the wrong guy here. I'd like to see George, Dick and Tony all on trial for War crimes (Iraq was invaded on false pretences). The head of Blackwater can join that list if he's guilty of them. However if any of them were dying of ass cancer (like Al Megrahi is) likewise I wouldn't deny them the opportunity to spend their last moments with their families.

 

[Krynn72]

What meaning does a life sentence have then?

He is three or less months away from death. For all intents and purposes, he lived the rest of his life in jail. I'd say he served his time.

 

[Kadayi]

He is three or less months away from death. For all intents and purposes, he lived the rest of his life in jail. I'd say he served his time.

Careful Krynn, talk much more like that and they'll ship you back to Europe.

 

[AJ Rimmer]

It's really bad that my first thought was "I bet Frankie Boyle will have something funny to say about this on Mock the Week."

 

[<RJMC>]

Would I be pleased do you mean? Frankly I think your talking to the wrong guy here. I'd like to see George, Dick and Tony all on trial for War crimes (Iraq was invaded on false pretences). The head of Blackwater can join that list if he's guilty of them. However if any of them were dying of ass cancer (like Al Megrahi is) likewise I wouldn't deny them the opportunity to spend their last moments with their families.

yeah right......

the fact is that he was received like a hero as he is a suspect of the terror attack and when people condem it you seem like defending it,cuz yeah the mossad was the one who put the bomb,every terror attack that happened was the mossad or the cia

 

[Raziaar]

He is three or less months away from death. For all intents and purposes, he lived the rest of his life in jail. I'd say he served his time.

Nah, I disagree. He should have been forced to live the rest of his days in jail, not live the last of them as a free man greeted back home as a hero.

 

[Absinthe]

Like... I can see the humanity at work in allowing something like this. I would just keep him in prison.

 

[Kadayi]

yeah right......

the fact is that he was received like a hero as he is a suspect of the terror attack and when people condem it you seem like defending it,cuz yeah the mossad was the one who put the bomb,every terror attack that happened was the mossad or the cia

Yeah right what exactly?

That fools in his home country might hail him as a hero means he shouldn't of been released on grounds of compassion even though he is dying no? That's your argument seriously? Get back to the fields and go pick me some coffee, you're wasted on the internets. :dozey:

On the other hand, there are still serious doubts that the man was guilty in the first place. He had an appeal due to start soon as well, one that the US would have not wanted to go ahead because of potential embarassment.

This also. The growing evidence does seem to suggest that it was all a bit of a stitch up job, given the electronics guys lied under oath.

 

[<RJMC>]

Yeah right what exactly?

That fools in his home country might hail him as a hero means he shouldn't of been released on grounds of compassion even though he is dying no? That's your argument seriously? Get back to the fields and go pick me some coffee, you're wasted on the internets. :dozey:

no saying that he shouldnt be released,is just that after all he is a suspect of that bombing and was in jail for it too,and when he went back to libya he was all praised like if he was wrongly convicted or something when he was released for humanitarian reasons not cuz he was proved inocent or something like that

and when someone point that out you go whit the "it was the mossad who put the bomb" defending him like if he was convicted only for being libyan

and that I am wasted on the internet? them what is not waste in the internet? your opinion cuz is yours cuz you are right? well atleast I dont post this :dozey: anyoing smilie like if where representing my superiority like "I am baffled by your ignorance cuz I am not the only one who is right here" style

infact I will post 3 dozey smilies so my internet power increase over you:dozey::dozey::dozey:

holy shit my internet power is about to explode,dont know if the internet will contain it

:dozey::dozey::dozey:

ok I better or the internet will colapse of so much power

 

[Gemma]

Nah, I disagree. He should have been forced to live the rest of his days in jail, not live the last of them as a free man greeted back home as a hero.

Agreed, Don't do the crime if you can't do the time, eh?

 

[SimpleAssassin]

Life should mean life and they should have let the **** die in jail.

 

[Kadayi]

Nah, I disagree. He should have been forced to live the rest of his days in jail, not live the last of them as a free man greeted back home as a hero.

And that's why you're not a Judge.

Agreed, Don't do the crime if you can't do the time, eh?

The consensus though is that he probably didn't do the crime. A lot of the evidence was falsified if you look into the later investigations. They were looking for a scapegoat, he fitted the profile.

Life should mean life and they should have let the **** die in jail.

See above. :dozey:

ok I better off the internet

You said it buddy, now go get me my coffee beans. :dozey:

 

[<RJMC>]

I will rip your intenstines if you keep saying that,you will see when the soviet motherland rises again and we anihilate you all whit the nuclear bombs together whit the jews:dozey:

oh the kid got mad my internet power make him angry


:dozey::dozey::dozey::dozey::dozey::dozey::dozey::dozey:

 

[SimpleAssassin]

ah i see, well of course only if they are proven completely guilty.

 

[nurizeko]

WTF Scotland :X

Heres why:

1) We are capable of "forgiveness" that thing civilized nations have, and compassion.

2) He was sentenced under dodgey circumstances and by all rights he should have went ahead with his appeal.

3) **** you, blah blah some Americans died, a part of our country was blown up by high impact debris.

Hope that cleared things up, I look forward to "freedom haggis" "Liberty pipes" and "God whiskey" and the general petty backlash we care nothing for.

We'll stop releasing dying prisoners questionably charged on compassionate grounds when you reform your judicial system. We won't hold our breath.

 

[Kadayi]

Heres why:

1) We are capable of "forgiveness" that thing civilized nations have, and compassion.

2) He was sentenced under dodgey circumstances and by all rights he should have went ahead with his appeal.

3) **** you, blah blah some Americans died, a part of our country was blown up by high impact debris.

Hope that cleared things up, I look forward to "freedom haggis" "Liberty pipes" and "God whiskey" and the general petty backlash we care nothing for.

We'll stop releasing dying prisoners questionably charged on compassionate grounds when you reform your judicial system. We won't hold our breath.

Seconded.

 

[Raziaar]

Unless they're willing to come out fully and exonerate the guy, I don't think they should have done this really.

I don't know anything about the case though. All I know is he was convicted of the crime.

 

[Bob_Marley]

WTF Scotland :X

On Friday, Lord Trefgarne, chairman of the Libyan British Business Council, said Mr. Megrahi’s release had opened the way for Britain’s leading oil companies to pursue multibillion-dollar oil contracts with Libya, which had demanded Mr. Megrahi’s return in talks with British officials and business executives.

Lord Trefgarne told the BBC that talks on oil contracts had “not moved as fast as we would have hoped and expected” since Tony Blair, then prime minister, met in a tent in Libya five years ago with Col. Muammar el-Qaddafi, the Libyan leader, and set the terms for the “deal in the desert” that sketched a reconciliation between Colonel Qaddafi’s pariah government and the West.

British business executives had made no secret of their intense lobbying for a prisoner transfer treaty proposed by Mr. Blair and Col. Qaddafi and finally ratified by Britain and Libya in April; before Mr. Megrahi’s cancer diagnosis, that treaty was seen as the most likely avenue for his return to Libya. But his cancer, and a finding by medical specialists that he was not likely to live more than three months, cleared the way for his release on compassionate grounds.

“Perhaps now, with the final resolution of the Lockerbie affair, as far as the Libyans are concerned, maybe they’ll move a bit more swiftly,” Lord Trefgarne said.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/22/world/europe/22lockerbie.html

Lybian oil runs thicker than Scottish blood, it seems.

 

[Raziaar]

I had heard about that oil thing, oil talks... when I first heard this story break. Wasn't sure what to think of it at the time.

I mean, everybody does love some oil.

 

[mortiz-Redux]

He was just a scape goat, everyone knows who was really responsible for the bombing, Libiya
Thing is the western companies have large investments in Libya and the Libyan royal family is friends with many top ranking western diplomants so they didn't really get any backlash.

 

[Apocalypse89]

Libya has a royal family? Why didn't anyone tell me, seeing how most sources I can find say that it's a military dictatorship presenting itself as a socialist republic?

Another case of people assuming that Saudi Arabia = The entire Middle East.

 

[jimbo118]

Lol @ the boycott Scotland websites popping up now.

 

[Kinslayer]

I'm siding with Scotland. I believe Mercy should be shown to anyone who it can safely be shown too. The guy is about to die, let him die with his family. What are we if we do the same evil acts as he did?

This.

You know, I really do wonder sometimes. Why are we able to call ourselves compassionate and human if we don't allow a man to be happy in his final days? This is what makes us so much different from them; our values. To have the so-called "leader of the free world" condemn this act is sickening to me, as it just speaks mountains about our hypocrisy in this country and most places that support it.

Hats off to Scotland.

 

[<RJMC>]

Libya has a royal family? Why didn't anyone tell me, seeing how most sources I can find say that it's a military dictatorship presenting itself as a socialist republic?

Another case of people assuming that Saudi Arabia = The entire Middle East.

the leader is colonel gadaffi which has been ingoverment since a bloodless coup eta in 1968 I think,his family is around the politics of the country and sometimes go on vacations to expensive tourisitcal places in europe

I think last year one of his sons was arrested in switzerland I think for taking stuff from the hotel,libya trheatened to stop oil importations to switzerland due to it

 

[unozero]

This.

You know, I really do wonder sometimes. Why are we able to call ourselves compassionate and human if we don't allow a man to be happy in his final days? This is what makes us so much different from them; our values. To have the so-called "leader of the free world" condemn this act is sickening to me, as it just speaks mountains about our hypocrisy in this country and most places that support it.

Hats off to Scotland.

I wonder if you'd think the same if your brother or sister got blown to pieces.

 

[Llama]

I wonder if you'd think the same if your brother or sister got blown to pieces.

Cheap appeals to emotion don't hide the fact you didn't counter anything he said.

Valid reasoning or don't bother replying.