Screw the guitar, I wanna play drums!

You want to know why I hate synthesizers? Becuase of the way they're used. YOu know, the instruments themselves are fine. If they're used in a band, like (off the top of my head) Blue Oyster Cult, and it adds to a song, that's fine. OR if someone like Stevie Wonder plays around on one and it's great and he's got his buddies backing him up, that's fine too. When people get together, and make an effort to write a song that they have fun playing together, and they get into a groove with each other and all that sweet stuff, that's seriously some of the coolest things that can happen to somebody. You rely and depend on each other, everybody has their own part in the song to make it sound good, even the guy in the back with five keyboards stacked up and a bottle of schnobbwhatsit in his hand.

But then you get people who pore over manuals and obsess over every little knob and tweak, etc. etc. Which isn't necessarily a bad thing, you want things going exactly the way you want it to, right? But then there are people like Squarepusher, whatever his name is, who don't show up for interviews because it might punch a hole in his douche-aura. You get people like Aphextwin (the joke is there's only one guy, right?) who try to stick every synchopated beat, every manufactured squeal, every sixty-fourth note into every song he can. What is the point of that?

It's too little effort, and yet too much effort. Instead of dealing with people and getting the ideas of others (Which I'll admit can be annoying) you'll just do it yourself! So you go and you program, and program, and you get "works in progress" which aren't completed, not because it's not polished enough, but because you didn't have enough time to finish it? And you do it all yourself. I know how much work it is trying to plug everything in and get it all set up properly, and that's with three friends halping out, and when you have to program, and layer, and do all kinds of atmospheric bullshit in the background because it's your vision or whatever, and then (god forbid) you use a real guitar or drum set occasionally (or bass, like squaredoucher) you do the same again, but with more cords and more plugs and... it's just seems like a waste of time to me. Is it really that hard to approximate the sounds on a physical instrument, get a few guys to back you up, do it that way? I don't know if this is true or not (I also don't really care) but people who make music by themselves mainly with synths seem like they would be extremely antisocial.

Then you get into the actual music itself... if you could call it that. Forgive me, but I don't like electronic drumbeats repeating themselves for minutes on end with wind whooshing in the background and some doip-ey water drips with reverb and distortion, you know? Honestly, Of all the "electronic music" I've heard I've liked zero percent and was bored by about 90 percent. Do you think you're some kind of great composer? Are you trying to convey your feelings? Paint pictures with sounds? Cuz it aint working. I think my biggest beef with synthesizer users, electronic music, techno, trance, (I don't even know how this stuff is categorized) it that they're trying to be something they're not. It's like somebody playing guitar hero and thinking they can join a band- if you can figure out how to work the damn thing, you're suddenly some mozart prodigy. Nuh-uh.
 
Then you get into the actual music itself... if you could call it that. Forgive me, but I don't like incessant cowbell repeating itself for minutes on end with annoying punk vocals in the background and some generic sounding drum, you know? Honestly, Of all the "real music" I've heard I've liked zero percent and was bored by about 90 percent. Do you think you're some kind of great composer? Are you trying to convey your feelings? Paint pictures with sounds? Cuz it aint working. I think my biggest beef with highbrow rock, hardcore metal, jazz, classic rock, (I don't even know how this stuff is categorized) it that they're trying to be something they're not. It's like somebody playing guitar hero and thinking they can join a band- if you can figure out how to work the damn thing, you're suddenly some mozart prodigy. Nuh-uh.



Try harder.
 
That whole post is basically just speaking out of lack of knowledge and very limited experience.

I won't bother pointing out them all, cba really.

I'll have you know I ****ing love jamming with other people. I bring over my synths when I jam with my cousin who plays an acoustic drumset. We have an awesome time.

Learning how to work a synthesizer is no different than learning how to play a 'regular' instrument. I don't see what point you're trying to make here. You don't HAVE to tweak every little thing, and not ALL people are like that. Some people are cool with just loading a preset and having fun.

I'm already getting into all the different ways in which I could point out why your views there are very limited. It's probably pointless explaining to you anyway.

I still love you.
 
I love trolls with their 8000 post immunity.

I've actually been trying to get banned for several months now, and have even flat out asked for it, and have been ignored. I think they're on to me.
 
It's your avatar. Moderators don't want to ban people who flat out deserve it or ask for it. They'd be like puppets! They stare into your avatar with their finger on the ban button, and eventually resolve to not become that puppet.
 
dooh wa diddly dum
I'm already fully aware that you're a prejudicial moron. You don't have the slightest idea what you're talking about, so I don't give two shits about your opinion. All fine and dandy!
 
I'm already fully aware that you're a prejudicial moron. You don't have the slightest idea what you're talking about, so I don't give two shits about your opinion. All fine and dandy!

However, I didn't need to know anything about you to not give two shits about you.

I do like the little noises, however. You make that with a synth?
 
Okay.

Just in terms of your anti-Squarepusher stance, even if he is a douche, I'm pretty sure that his music is about expression. It just happens that a lot of the time it's expression with synths and very strange beats and time signatures. But he's just as good at real, proper instruments... Not that I expect to change an opinion.
 
He's also pretty good with a bass guitar.

Point in case, not all synth users are pretentious dicks who like to use nothing but synthesizers to make every little sound. Nor do we have irrational hate for acoustic instruments like you seem to do against synths.

Viper's post was simply mocking you by showing you how easy it is to reverse your logic against you.
 
Yeah, that was pretty good. I still don't love the guy, though. I mean, I only bring him up because he's pretty much the only guy I can think of off the top of my head, because he was supposed to have an article in Bass Player magazine, but blew them off.

He's also pretty good with a bass guitar.

Point in case, not all synth users are pretentious dicks who like to use nothing but synthesizers to make every little sound. Nor do we have irrational hate for acoustic instruments like you seem to do against synths.

Viper's post was simply mocking you by showing you how easy it is to reverse your logic against you.

Obviously not every person is the same. But sometimes we (I) can't help the way we (I)think. Meaning I just had half the forum fly off the handle because I gave an opinion.

And yes, I know what Viper was doing, thank you obviousgeta :/
 
If it wasn't for synths, we wouldn't have the marvellous wonder that is T. Pain.

Wait a minute...
 
because I gave an opinion.
Woah woah now. You gave it in a sort of offensive way, and the opinion itself was of the 'i hate all of this for no particular reason' brand. Which isn't very well liked in a forum with several synth users.

And yes, I know what Viper was doing, thank you obviousgeta :/
Yeah well. You called him a bad word!
 
Yeah well. You called him a bad word!

Actually, he invited to Viperidae to do something that, for all we know, he may enjoy doing. So maybe it was just Que being nice.


Just to be nit picky.
 
Dont know why people would slate synthesisors, although we haven't done yet my band are deffo looking into using synth backings with our music, to a click track etc. Also there was a keyboard with synth capabilities when we were recording our last song in the studio, was really fun and interesting to play around with, got some really cool sounds out.
 
for anything synth - including synth drum beats, you can for example, make each snare a slightly varied volume and you can use more than one very similar snare sound, to make it sound more like a real drum set. And the sample - it's just a recording of a real snare drum, but a computer is used to time it.

I've tried playing real drums, and it would take many years to get good, even if I know how I want the drums to sound, I can't coordinate myself to do it.

An old friend of mine played bass, electric, acoustic guitar, and drums, yet when he was alone and wanted to practice guitar, he would use a drum machine.

anyway, in closing, I appreciate 'real instruments' and synth music and wouldn't want to have to choose. It really depends on my mood. While I'm a freak for metal and other types of music with 'real instruments', I also really love the unlimited uniqueness of synth music. However much I may love it, Sometimes I get tired of the same old drum sound that has been in over a million rock songs, and synth drums is a way to escape that

I think my favorite is when the two are combined. Like some keyboards and synths added to a rock band
 
Er, let's not confuse terms here. You can have an analogue synthesiser/drum machine. Or a digital one.
 
I have nothing against synths, even though I personally don't like the sound of overly synthetic music, its simply a matter of taste. Experimentation with new types of instruments leads to new and exciting directions for music, and new forms of expression.

The electric guitar, for example, started as a way for a country musician to get his guitar heard on-stage. People reviled its sound at first, especially since the pickups he created had too much distortion, but this mistake in itself practically created rock music.

So I say, go all out on your instrumentation. If you find something that you think is cool and new, by all means use it.

But, like I said, some uses of synths I personally just find obnoxious.
 
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