see the freedon of the USA!

It's not the best example, but it sure is a funny one :D
 
<RJMC> said:
http://www.ircspy.com/comments.asp?mode=view&id=3726

the next time someone from the USA say something like "USA the country of freedom" I will show this in the "IN YOUR FACE" style
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The airline was absolutely within its rights to take the action that it did. What you have to understand that "freedom of speech" only means that the government can't (except in certain extreme circumstances) limit your freedom of speech. This does not meant that a PRIVATE organization (company, religious organization, etc.) can't limit your rights and freedoms if you voluntarily choose to join that organization and agree to abide by their rules and regulations.

This is an important distinction that most people both in the world at large AND in the United States don't understand.

Besides, the woman got what she deserves not because I'm a fan of the Bush administration (I'm not) but because she was absolutely classless to wear that sort of shirt in public and that to me is the greater crime.
 
she is free to wear the tshirt still. just not there. thats not any official law thats some policy on offending passengers for that airline.

heh might as well post a link of someone getting kicked out of a restaurant for smoking and then yak about how the USA isn't a free country.
 
poseyjmac said:
she is free to wear the tshirt still. just not there. thats not any official law thats some policy on offending passengers for that airline.

heh might as well post a link of someone getting kicked out of a restaurant for smoking and then yak about how the USA isn't a free country.
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restuarants have a no-smoking policy it's the law ..show me wear it says you cant wear t-shirts on an airplane
 
CptStern said:
restuarants have a no-smoking policy it's the law ..show me wear(where) it says you cant wear t-shirts on an airplane
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you're missing the point. again.. its the absurdity of both situations thats relevant.
 
CptStern said:
restuarants have a no-smoking policy it's the law ..show me wear it says you cant wear t-shirts on an airplane
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ummm.. last i checked airlines can do anything they want, they could boot you off the plane for picking your nose if they wanted to, so long as they refund your ticket you're not really losing anything, and while it may be an inconvenience it's not illegal, people are just too quick to sue about anything and everything that they don;t realize companies can make their own rules so long as they don;t breach any federal laws, and this case doesn't

the woman was a dumbass anyway, especially if i'm reading the article right it sounds like her shirt had innapropriate language on it, which is highly offensive, especially if children were aboard the aircraft

some people just don;t understand that freedom of speech doesn't mean you can go into your office and call your boss a shithead... you'll get fired, and there's not a damn thing you can do about it... there is a little thing called tact
 
poseyjmac said:
you're missing the point. again.. its the absurdity of both situations thats relevant.
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no I'm not missing the point, your analogy doesnt work
 
CptStern said:
restuarants have a no-smoking policy it's the law ..show me wear it says you cant wear t-shirts on an airplane
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When you purchase a ticket for an airline flight or a movie or a play or any other activity where you have public consumption, you are agreeing to abide by the rules and regulations of that organization. It's not a "law" but part of the contract that you agree to when you purchase the ticket.

If you read the fine print of an airline ticket, there are often stipulations that you are agreeing not to engage in offensive and/or inappropriate behavior while on the flight and sometimes airlines go as far as to include clothing in this regulation.

Again, it is NOT a law promulgated by a government but rather a company regulation that you de-facto agree to by completing the contractural transaction by purchasing the ticket and using their service.

And yes, I really do believe the bigger "crime" is that she was so tactless as to be wearing a t-shirt with a swear word on it than being kicked off of the airplane.
 
Icarusintel said:
ummm.. last i checked airlines can do anything they want, they could boot you off the plane for picking your nose if they wanted to, so long as they refund your ticket you're not really losing anything, and while it may be an inconvenience it's not illegal, people are just too quick to sue about anything and everything that they don;t realize companies can make their own rules so long as they don;t breach any federal laws, and this case doesn't

the woman was a dumbass anyway, especially if i'm reading the article right it sounds like her shirt had innapropriate language on it, which is highly offensive, especially if children were aboard the aircraft

some people just don;t understand that freedom of speech doesn't mean you can go into your office and call your boss a shithead... you'll get fired, and there's not a damn thing you can do about it... there is a little thing called tact
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where do we draw the line? If you wore a "support bush" t-shirt and it offended me would you get off the plane?


this particular case can be best summed up with: "stfu and mind your own business" ...politically correct my ass.
 
It's definately not against the law to kick someone off a plane for wearing a shirt with offensive language on it anymore than for sending a child in school to detention for saying a naughty word
 
CptStern said:
no I'm not missing the point, your analogy doesnt work
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no, you don't want to connect the analogy because you hate poseyjmac because you are weak and let people get to you online for saying things like 'i enjoyed doing your wife up her sweet little ass'.

now ill spell it out for you, old man. its just as absurd to say USA isn't free because of the no-smoking laws, as it is to say it is not free for not letting someone with an offensive t shirt on a plane. absurdity is the only relevant similarity in the damn analogy not the comparison of the laws/regulations themselves. can you comprehend this simple statement, gramps?
 
Regardless of who has jurisdiction here, it's ****ing stupid that she was booted off the plane for it.

she was absolutely classless to wear that sort of shirt in public and that to me is the greater crime.
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Oh no! She was wearing a controversial shirt! How heinous! I guess I better go burn my t-shirts that say "I'm with stupid", "Property of Jesus", and a bunch of other lewd yet completely harmless jokes. Because by golly somebody might get their panties into a twist!

I'd sue if I was in her position.
 
SFLUFAN said:
When you purchase a ticket for an airline flight or a movie or a play or any other activity where you have public consumption, you are agreeing to abide by the rules and regulations of that organization. It's not a "law" but part of the contract that you agree to when you purchase the ticket.

If you read the fine print of an airline ticket, there are often stipulations that you are agreeing not to engage in offensive and/or inappropriate behavior while on the flight and sometimes airlines go as far as to include clothing in this regulation.

Again, it is NOT a law promulgated by a government but rather a company regulation that you de-facto agree to by completing the contractural transaction by purchasing the ticket and using their service.

And yes, I really do believe the bigger "crime" is that she was so tactless as to be wearing a t-shirt with a swear word on it than being kicked off of the airplane.
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when did you all become so politically correct ..again if someone had a t-shirt that said "Bush:4 more years" and I found it offensive would it be reason enough to get the person thrown off the plane? what if that person was wearing a yarmulkes or a turban or a veil?

I understand the legality behind it, doesnt mean I agree with it
 
CptStern said:
where do we draw the line? If you wore a "support bush" t-shirt and it offended me would you get off the plane?


this particular case can be best summed up with: "stfu and mind your own business" ...politically correct my ass.
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If it offended you, too bad. Unless you are the manager of southwest airlines. They have the power to draw the lines wherever they want.

It wasn't the political message that got the women thrown off the plane, it was the misuse of language on her shirt.
 
CptStern said:
when did you all become so politically correct ..again if someone had a t-shirt that said "Bush:4 more years" and I found it offensive would it be reason enough to get the person thrown off the plane? what if that person was wearing a yarmulkes or a turban or a veil?

I understand the legality behind it, doesnt mean I agree with it
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There is a fundamental difference between a t-shirt that contains a widely-recognized offensive term and a t-shirt that has a non-offensive political slogan or an item of religious clothing.

She broke a defacto contractual agreement and the airline took the action that it deemed necessary to complete the service for the other passengers. End of story.
 
Tantalus said:
If it offended you, too bad. Unless you are the manager of southwest airlines. They have the power to draw the lines wherever they want.
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no, read the article ..it said people complained then the person was asked to get off ..the airline let her onboard and didnt do anything till there were complaints
 
SFLUFAN said:
There is a fundamental difference between a t-shirt that contains a widely-recognized offensive term and a t-shirt that has a non-offensive political slogan or an item of religious clothing.

She broke a defacto contractual agreement and the airline took the action that it deemed necessary to complete the service for the other passengers. End of story.
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had that been the case they wouldnt had let her board the plane ..it wasnt until people complained that they asked her to leave
 
CptStern said:
no, read the article ..it said people complained then the person was asked to get off ..the airline let her onboard and didnt do anything till there were complaints
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tr00f

Read, people. The airline changed its policy on the fly with no forewarning.
 
CptStern said:
no, read the article ..it said people complained then the person was asked to get off ..the airline let her onboard and didnt do anything till there were complaints
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Do you honestly think the manager looks at everyone's shirt before they enter the plane? He/she was just ignorant of the t-shirt until people notified him/her of it through their complaints.
 
I agree that the airline made a mistake in letting her on the plane in the first place. If the gate agent could clearly see the shirt prior to her boarding, they should have made her change or cover it up.

However, that doesn't change the fact that once people complained about the shirt, the airline did what it was well within its contractural right to do and remove the offending passenger from the aircraft.
 
Tantalus said:
Do you honestly think the manager looks at everyone's shirt before they enter the plane? He/she was just ignorant of the t-shirt until people notified him/her of it through their complaints.
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the manager, the ticket salesperson, the check in person, security, the person asking passengers to board, the 2 greeters and a security person at the door, the person showing her where her seat is ...come on
 
If the airline didn't refund her flight, they were in the wrong. Otherwise, they had every right to do what they did.
 
CptStern said:
the manager, the ticket salesperson, the check in person, security, the person asking passengers to board, the 2 greeters and a security person at the door, the person showing her where her seat is ...come on
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When I'm in public, I don't look at peoples shirts. I'm sure the holds true for the aforementioned group (not all of which the passenger would interact with in person anyways)
 
SFLUFAN said:
I agree that the airline made a mistake in letting her on the plane in the first place. If the gate agent could clearly see the shirt prior to her boarding, they should have made her change or cover it up.

However, that doesn't change the fact that once people complained about the shirt, the airline did what it was well within its contractural right to do and remove the offending passenger from the aircraft.
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again I'm not faulting the legality of the issue but rather the way it was handled and the audacity of the people who complained


americans are so overly defensive when it comes to dissent or the war in general (re: freedom fries) that's it's beyond anything even remotely reasonable
 
I think the F word in large print would catch people's attention. That's what such shirts are designed to do. Especially when coupled with widely recognizable political figures

To assume that nobody or even that a majority of people simply didn't notice until she was on the flight is absurd.
 
I think people need to stop being such babies /roll eyes

"OMG MY DAUGHTER JUST SAW THE WORD ****!!"
*little girl*" **** you mommy."

anyway, to prove my point. woopdie doo, "classless" shirt was worn. that word is used by any "upstanding" citizen. I sport my favorite shirt as often as I can. A Mindless Self Indulgence shirt reading "Eat Shit". You know why I enjoy wearing it? Because babies freak out! I love walking by a bunch of people and hearing the gasps and whispers of my shirt. Makes me feel like I just kicked their ass in some way. Damn babies.
 
Tantalus said:
When I'm in public, I don't look at peoples shirts. I'm sure the holds true for the aforementioned group (not all of which the passenger would interact with in person anyways)
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someone looked at her t-shirt and it wasnt someone who worked for southwest, or if they did, they either a. didnt care or b. didnt care
 
CptStern said:
again I'm not faulting the legality of the issue but rather the way it was handled and the audacity of the people who complained
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See, this is what ticks me off about some of you people.

You are so hooked up on the legality aspect when nobody is challenging it. The main thing of focus here is the actual handling itself and the ethical problems/implications it creates - something that exists independently of legality.
 
In that case, I agree completely with you. The shirt might be of low taste, but not enough that I'd complain about it. But I can see where the people who complained are coming from.
 
yeah, thats really admirable there, cyberpitz. wearing a shirt JUST to offend people. although the shirt the lady wore on the plane had comedic value to it, i don't think her sole intent was to piss off people.
 
poseyjmac said:
yeah, thats really admirable there, cyberpitz. wearing a shirt JUST to offend people. although the shirt the lady wore on the plane had comedic value to it, i don't think her sole intent was to piss off people.
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Oh...I know that. I'm just stating that since it's so easy to offend people, simply by an article of clothing...why not exploit that? Hell, if people find some way of offending me, although I doubt there are many things...I could see G0atse done in front of me and be fine, then they can have at it. It's my fault for being such a damn retard.
 
in case some of you missed it:


"Southwest Airlines spokeswoman Marilee McInnis said the T-shirt became an issue after several passengers complained"


and


"Heasley said she wore the T-shirt as a gag. She wanted her parents, who are Democrats, to see it when they picked her up at the airport in Portland, Ore. "I just thought it was hilarious," said Heasley"
 
you think that wear a shirt like that is a crime?

thats not a crime thats a opinion
 
CyberPitz said:
Oh...I know that. I'm just stating that since it's so easy to offend people, simply by an article of clothing...why not exploit that? Hell, if people find some way of offending me, although I doubt there are many things...I could see G0atse done in front of me and be fine, then they can have at it. It's my fault for being such a damn retard.
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Nothing wrong with toying around with people who are too damn sensitive.
 
That story is pathetic, human ignorance at it's finest.
 
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