Sega Condemns the next-gen consoles!

[Gargantou]

http://www.gameinformer.com/NR/rdonlyres/32B75F7D-79DA-4345-BEF0-0057C1D2572E/6231/cov143lr.jpg

http://gamesradar.msn.co.uk/news/default.asp?pagetypeid=2&articleid=34265&subsectionid=1584

I scared you for a sec there didn't I?
Made you think Sega was gonna make another bad business decision?

I can't wait for this, next-gen Survival Horrors :thumbs:

 

[Cole]

You almost gave me a heart attack with that title!

 

[Mac]

aww man, I thought this was going to be an interesting article for a second.

 

[kupocake]

aww man, I thought this was going to be an interesting article for a second.

Yeah, I thought I was going to be given the opportunity to say something like "What would SEGA know about the inns and outs of Hardware Manufacturing. Saturn indeed" but i've been sorely disappointed.

Of course, the lack of any announement of a Revolution version could be condemning Nintendo's next console... Another adult title bypassing a Ninty console? Still hasn't shaken that "Kiddy" image :/

 

[Gargantou]

Kupo, I think the Revolution part might be because, opposite of the XBN and PS3, we know like nothing at all, not even the slightest bit of info on Nintendos new console.

 

[Warbie]

bah - the Saturn was a top machine

I was hoping this thread was about some new Sega hardware (unlikely, I know)

 

[Gargantou]

I'd like to see say Nintendo buying up Sega or having Sega join up with'em, I feel that could produce some real quality titles and consoles

I sure hope we get a Shenmue 3 in 2k6/2k7 ;_;

 

[NeptuneUK]

nintendo make great games, fantastic consoles. their marketing scheme sucks cock though. they dont appeal to people.

 

[KagePrototype]

nintendo make great games, fantastic consoles. their marketing scheme sucks cock though. they dont appeal to people.

Really?

I guess that's why the GameCube is the second most popular console on the planet and why they are currently dominating the hand-held market (for the last 15 years), not to mention being regarded as one of the best video game developers around today.

 

[gh0st]

Second? Nooo.. GC has sold ~2 million less than the Xbox.

 

[DrDevin]

I believe that gamecube actually is the second best selling console if you consider the japanese market. They lead X-Box by very only a little bit though. I wonder why companies dont put their games on Nintendo's consoles though. Many people I know would buy M rated games and have a gamecube but the titles are never released. Publishers should give Nintendo a chance before you label them kiddy.

 

[BRODIEMAN2k4]

Again with the "A game has to be M rated to be good" crap.

Anyways that GI cover creeps me out, but i wouldnt get my hopes up.

 

[KagePrototype]

Second? Nooo.. GC has sold ~2 million less than the Xbox.

GC has sold 18 million so far, Xbox has sold 15 million. Xbox is more popular in the west, but in the east the GC tramples all over the Xbox.

 

[destrukt]

If there is a type of person I hate on the internet, it's the person who thinks it's witty to make misleading threads.

 

[Lt. Drebin]

Yeah, I thought I was going to be given the opportunity to say something like "What would SEGA know about the inns and outs of Hardware Manufacturing. Saturn indeed" but i've been sorely disappointed.

Of course, the lack of any announement of a Revolution version could be condemning Nintendo's next console... Another adult title bypassing a Ninty console? Still hasn't shaken that "Kiddy" image :/

Resident Evil 4?? I think that game alone squashes the kiddy nonsense poeple keep babbling about. I could care less if my Revolution doesn't get "Condemned". Besides it has quite a bit to live up to considering the GameCube has the best survival horror game ever made in RE4, IMO. I'm not exactly sold on Sega's entry into the survival horror genre....we sure do need more of these games that depend on pure shock appeal.....hopefullt it's original in some way.

 

[Asuka]

GameCube is horrible. They have 2 set of good games and thats resident evil and metal gear solid.

 

[Lt. Drebin]

GameCube is horrible. They have 2 set of good games and thats resident evil and metal gear solid.

Uhhhh. They have one Metal Gear Solid Game.

No the GC doesn't suck.

 

[Warbie]

Don't listen to him

I very much doubt he has a clue about the majority of GC games ........ yet would happily play complete shite on the pc like Doom 3 (forgive my broad and sweeping assumption )

 

[Gargantou]

If there is a type of person I hate on the internet, it's the person who thinks it's witty to make misleading threads.

I love... Uh... Hate... You too!;(

 

[kupocake]

Resident Evil 4?? I think that game alone squashes the kiddy nonsense poeple keep babbling about.

One instance is not enough to disprove a trend, and it's not the trend that's the problem but the perception anyway.

If Hugh Grant appeared in a movie as a drug-crazed Neo-Nazi who violently dismembered small children with a pick-axe, he'd still have the reputation of being "that loveable goofball from jolly england" even if it somehow became the best movie ever. It matters not how many "violent" or "adult" games the GC actually has - public perception diminishes that number, and if that's what the public expect from a Nintendo console, developers aren't going to release games like this on that console, because there isn't the market for them.

 

[Lt. Drebin]

- public perception diminishes that number, and if that's what the public expect from a Nintendo console, developers aren't going to release games like this on that console, because there isn't the market for them.

What are you talking about. Just about every "violent" game out there comes out on all three consoles...barring exclusives. I can only think of a few that weren't released for it.

I agree that there is a public perception about kiddy games on Nintendo consoles. That's unfortunatly their problem. The GC is not unlike any other console. It has exlusives just like any other and devlopers like EA or others tend to make games for all three. I understand what you're saying about the public, but developers don't share your view as 95-97% of the time a violent game is released on all three.

Resident Evil 4 and Zero prove a strong point. Not only is it a violent game on the GameCube, but it's exclusive for the foreseable future. They develop for consoles that sell and have power....the GameCube is second to the XBox in power and second to the PS2 in sales(worldwide). I'm sure developers believe that all 18 million owners of the GameCube are between the ages of 8 and 12. The discusion is ridiculous if we're gonna talk about why developer don't and will not develop violent games on Nintendo consoles. They clearly do and will continue to do so in the future.

 

[Warbie]

developers aren't going to release games like this on that console, because there isn't the market for them.

And thank god for that. The last thing I want is more crap 'adult' (which infact translates as 'adolescent') video games.

'let's make game'
'yeh good plan, but it'll have to be gritty'
'of course, that goes without saying, dark and gritty'
'what about introducing stealth'!!
'duh? haven't you heard - stealth is the new action, of course we'll have stealth'
'ok, explosions'?
'damn straight'
'this game will so pwn'
'i hear that'

 

[kupocake]

What are you talking about. Just about every "violent" game out there comes out on all three consoles...barring exclusives. I can only think of a few that weren't released for it.

I stand by what I said. "Just about every violent game" does not come out on all three consoles. Usually they come out on one console, and 90% of the time, that console is the PS2 or X-Box. For every exclusive "adult" title the GC has, the PS2 and X-Box has Three titles. And for every concieveably "kiddy" looking game released on the X-Box or PS2, there is Three on the Gamecube. No-One is saying that "Kiddy" is bad, but I still maintain that image is something that developers consider and hold against the Gamecube.

The last thing I want is more crap 'adult'

The same could be said of a relative portion of 'kiddy' games. Neither "Style" is better than the other, and no console manufacturer is better off for not having either on its platform. The issue is not about "Kiddy" or "Adult" but simply whether a game is crap or not. Just try telling the public who buy these games that. And the arseheaded public pay the developer's wages...

 

[Warbie]

The same could be said of a relative portion of 'kiddy' games. Neither "Style" is better than the other, and no console manufacturer is better off for not having either on its platform. The issue is not about "Kiddy" or "Adult" but simply whether a game is crap or not. Just try telling the public who buy these games that. And the arseheaded public pay the developer's wages...

I agree to an extent - whether the game is good or not matters the most. However, I disagree that many of the titles ppl consider to be aimed at kids actually are aimed at the young (especially those made by Nintendo and Sega). These are just fun, colourful games, and that's that. There's also very few of this ilk, whereas titles that are trying to attract teenage males with guns, blood and clevage are on the increase. Needless to say, the vast majority of these are complete shite - yet are perceived as cool, and sell well.

 

[kupocake]

I disagree that many of the titles ppl consider to be aimed at kids actually are aimed at the young (especially those made by Nintendo and Sega). These are just fun, colourful games, and that's that.

Exactly. I'm reminded of the copy of Yoshi's Island I have on my GBA or Kingdom Hearts for the PS2 - games which could be seen as kiddy, yet I have found difficult and sometimes wonder how kids would ever be able to cope with them (of course, I could just be crap at those games which i undoubtable am).

 

[Lt. Drebin]

I stand by what I said. "Just about every violent game" does not come out on all three consoles. Usually they come out on one console, and 90% of the time, that console is the PS2 or X-Box. For every exclusive "adult" title the GC has, the PS2 and X-Box has Three titles. And for every concieveably "kiddy" looking game released on the X-Box or PS2, there is Three on the Gamecube. No-One is saying that "Kiddy" is bad, but I still maintain that image is something that developers consider and hold against the Gamecube.

Ok. For the sake of argument. We can consider the Medal of Honor series, Metal Gear Solid, Call of Duty, Mortal Kombat(Deadly Alliance), Prince of Persia: Warrior Within, the entire Resident Evil series(GameCube exclusive mind you), Soul Calibur 2, Spawn, Splinter Cell series, Ghost Recon series, WWE games, XIII, the James Bond series, and Hitman 2 to be adult oriented and violent and available on the GameCube as well as the other two. None of these games were "held against the GC's "kiddy" image".

Unfortunatly I can't think of any more, but the point is that the GameCube is plenty developed for in the adult section. This is an argument that will never die and is always proven wrong. Whenever a new Nintendo console is on its way everyone tells themselves that no one will develop for it......in this case it's already out and that claim simply isn't true. I don't argue the "kiddy" image but, again, developers do not share that view. More companies develop violent games for it than do not. The "kiddy" image does not hold water with everyone.

Coming soon....Area 51, Killer 7, Mortal Kombat Deception, TimeSpliters, Rainbow 6...etc.

 

[kupocake]

Ok. For the sake of argument. We can consider the Medal of Honor series, etc...

Yes, but I still maintain that the other consoles have far more of these titles. I'd give specific examples, but i'm not in love with argueing for arguement's sake (hell knows I do it too much) and am just going to drop it with nothing proved on either side